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India eyes underwater pipeline

NEW DELHI: For a government struggling to make sense of an Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline that is more loaded with political baggage than it is comfortable with, there now appears an attractive alternative.

For the past couple of months, a project for a deepwater pipeline has been presented to key ministries in the government which has been greeted with relief and excitement. Senior officials of MEA, ministry of oil and gas, power and fertiliser have been introduced to this private sector project that goes something like this.

It’s a deepwater pipeline from the Middle East (which has the greatest concentration of gas) to India (the closest and biggest market) at over 3,000 metres under the sea, coming from a point in Oman to a point in western India. Deepwater technology, which was first tried out in Blue Stream, has now become cheaper and easily available, particularly after the success of the Mardi Gras pipeline in the Gulf of Mexico.

The pipeline will be like an "energy corridor" or a "gas bridge" rather like a toll highway where India can get gas from a number of suppliers (Iran, Oman, Qatar, maybe Iraq at some later date) and merely use the pipeline as a piece of infrastructure. It can be used by governments, or private sector.

Most important, the pipeline, which is slated to be built by 2012, will cost much less than the overland pipeline.

This project is generating interest in the government because the Iran pipeline is now too laden with politics for it to make any economic sense. Labelled a "peace pipeline", it’s now looked at more for its potential to bring peace between Iran, Pakistan and India than to get gas for an energy-hungry India.

Of course, the government has even let the communists dabble in this — Left leaders have made this a litmus test for India’s foreign policy.

Indian officials and experts are not asking genuine questions or raising legitimate concerns on the land pipeline — questions like supply assurances, coverage of political risk, pricing, transit security etc — without being made to sound as if they were putting India’s foreign policy at risk or that India was being "pressured" by the US.

It was after a lot of effort that the government articulated to Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmedinejad one of its core concerns — assured gas supplies. Similarly, if the deepwater option is now being projected at $4 billion, why should the land pipeline cost $7 billion?
Consequently, an alternative like a deepwater pipeline project is a huge relief. For one, it’s politically neutral, and to be built by an international consortium. There are few issues of the risks of travelling over unsafe territory.

By diversifying sources, it mitigates the risk of one supplier holding India hostage over prices and supplies. Third, sabotage risks to deepwater pipelines are almost non-existent. Fourth, the technology is available, cheaper and more amenable to gathering international finance and international insurance, which is proving to be an issue for the overland pipeline.

Pakistan can also become an independent stakeholder by drawing a tertiary pipeline, and India will be freed from the security issues of running a pipeline through Pakistan.

India eyes underwater pipeline-India-The Times of India
 
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Its good news if it becomes a reality, Undersea pipeline will be owned by business's spanning many countries so any sabotage could be ruled out (ofcourse not talking about terrorists).

India is set to gain as the cost will be less than landbased pipeline.
Seabased pipelines gets more impetus due to success of Mardi Gas pipelines in Gulf of Mexico so Technology is readily available.

http://www.cctechnol.com/uploads/otc16633.pdf

Not much news on pipeline after Iranian presidents visit to India indicates India's new thinking.

Moreover this pipelines could be extended to other gulf states and even to Irag is possible.

Hence Pakistan also benefits.
 
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I don't see how this relates to pakistan, nor how it benefits pakistan. And it has nothing to do with Pakistan's plans to supply gas through it's energy corridor to China which will have to be land based.
 
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The point is with the recent drastic increases in the prices of fossil fuels, any solution is being deemed feasible (and rightly so). The last I heard, Indian oil PSUs loose INR1,18,000 crore annually due to oil subsidies. If an underwater pipeline is made, it "frees India from Pakistan's influence," at least that is how the pipeline will be projected. Plus, we won't be solely dependent on Iran, but can source the gas from a whole host of Middle-East countries. So it is indeed good news. I just hope they get on with the bloody thing rather than muttering it endlessly in the bureaucratic circles in Luytens Delhi...:angry:
 
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Good for India, go for the Sea option.

We'll go ahead sans India if we have to.

IPI will become IPC, a much better option for Pakistan. :coffee:
 
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The point is with the recent drastic increases in the prices of fossil fuels, any solution is being deemed feasible (and rightly so). The last I heard, Indian oil PSUs loose INR1,18,000 crore annually due to oil subsidies. If an underwater pipeline is made, it "frees India from Pakistan's influence," at least that is how the pipeline will be projected. Plus, we won't be solely dependent on Iran, but can source the gas from a whole host of Middle-East countries. So it is indeed good news. I just hope they get on with the bloody thing rather than muttering it endlessly in the bureaucratic circles in Luytens Delhi...:angry:

Talk is cheap Actions cost money this is been on the table for years just cause they are talking about it again don't mean its a done deal.
Land based pipe lines are lot cheaper to maintain then underwater ones.but in there quest to please Americans Indians(just like Pakistanis)are looking at any thing that will make Masters in Washington happy.:crazy:

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what would be the cost difference between 2 projects and who will pick up the Tab for underwater pipeline.Iranian Gas was coming at a discount for India i doubt Midleast will come at the same price who will maintain the pipeline underwater(let me take a wild guess Americans:woot:)Sounds like Americans wants there new found friends under there control be it security related or energy.
 
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The point here is not the cost. In India, the pipeline is perceived by the majority to be equivalent to being a hostage to Pakistan. So the alternative, though economically expensive, is appealing if one looks at it politically. Further, the undersea pipeline will create multiple sources and not subject India to depend to depend on Iran alone. Will it be constructed, I don't know. I hope it does. But our bureaucracy is legendary in these matters.

As far as American pressure is concerned, I don't think so that this is "cowing down." We do intend to buy gas from Iran, but would like to keep our options open and "Pakistan-free."
 
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Talk is cheap Actions cost money this is been on the table for years just cause they are talking about it again don't mean its a done deal.
Land based pipe lines are lot cheaper to maintain then underwater ones.but in there quest to please Americans Indians(just like Pakistanis)are looking at any thing that will make Masters in Washington happy.:crazy:

Goodperson
what would be the cost difference between 2 projects and who will pick up the Tab for underwater pipeline.Iranian Gas was coming at a discount for India i doubt Midleast will come at the same price who will maintain the pipeline underwater(let me take a wild guess Americans:woot:)Sounds like Americans wants there new found friends under there control be it security related or energy.

From the report the sea option is projected at $4 billion and land pipeline at cost of $7 billion. These cost will escalate.

However India does need to consider

1) Uncle Sam's interest.
2) Transit cost
3) Security concern
4) Possible arm twisting if relations sour.

The success of Mardi gas in Gulf of Mexico provides more impetus.

These options are discussed and India will use the most viable one.
 
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I don't see how this relates to pakistan, nor how it benefits pakistan. And it has nothing to do with Pakistan's plans to supply gas through it's energy corridor to China which will have to be land based.

This corridor won't be India specific , it will provide more options to Pakistan.
This pipeline seems to be a win-win solution.
 
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Hmm - I wonder what route the pipeline would take. It would have to be outside of Pakistan's EEZ, if there is an intention to completely avoid Pakistani influence. Here is an approximate map of the EEZ's of various countries in the Arabian sea.


It seems that the pipeline will have to take a slightly circuitous route to completely avoid Pakistan's EEZ, but maybe thats already factored into the cost.

On diversifying Pakistan's sources, Pakstan has had on and off negotiations with Qatar over a pipeline from the tip of the Arabian peninsula to Gwadar. If this pipeline does avoid Pakistan's EEZ, then it would seem (from a rudimentary look at the map) that it would be a much shorter distance to connect separately from Qatar, and perhaps much cheaper?
 
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I don't know if the primary intention is to avoid paying Pakistan any transit fees; the issue is the turmoil in Western Pakistan that would make the pipeline running through the region a target.

The gas line from Oman is a good idea given the good relationship between the two nations and I'm fairly certain that India will still buy Iranian gas and transport it via LNG super tankers which numerous shipbuilders in India are vying to build.
 
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this seems like a good idea looks like all sides will benefit.
 
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I hope they make a decision soon, so the Pakistani pipeline wont be stalled for any longer. I always wished for the I-P-C pipeline to happen.
 
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