GOI clueless on growing Chinese Naval Muscle

[grey boy 2]

Atleast schChinese had some form of logic in his communication. You naturally lack it I presume.

Have the ability to defend your say! In the long post I have written, you were unable to counter any arguments. So, should I assume truth is tougher than fiction. Don't be Chinese, have the ability to talk!

What argument you looking for ? When our GDP is three times of

yours. What argument you looking for ? When India can't even make

a damn decent rifle for her army.

What argument you looking for ?

New Delhi: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh Mehta has set off a storm by saying India cannot match China military force. Is it a warning from India's military that the government needs to hear?


"In military terms, both conventional and non-conventional, we neither have the capability nor the intention to match China force for force," said Admiral Sureesh Mehta.


For a nuclear-armed military representing the interests of a billion-plus people, the lack of confidence is quite striking. India's military leadership has made a stunning confession that New Delhi doesn't have the stomach for a fight, if push came to shove on the disputed Sino-Indian boundary.


"Whether in terms of GDP, defence spend or any other parameter, the gap between the two is too wide to bridge and is getting wider by the day," he said.


Is Mehta expressing frustration at the slow pace of India's military modernisation? While India spends about $30 billion annually on defence, China spends at least thrice as much, although some estimates go up to $ 200 billion.


Its military is twice as large as India and its nuclear arsenal far well proven.
India can't match China's military force: Navy Chief

 

[rajeev]

What argument you looking for ? When our GDP is three times of

yours. What argument you looking for ? When India can't even make

a damn decent rifle for her army.

What argument you looking for ?

New Delhi: Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh Mehta has set off a storm by saying India cannot match China military force. Is it a warning from India's military that the government needs to hear?


"In military terms, both conventional and non-conventional, we neither have the capability nor the intention to match China force for force," said Admiral Sureesh Mehta.


For a nuclear-armed military representing the interests of a billion-plus people, the lack of confidence is quite striking. India's military leadership has made a stunning confession that New Delhi doesn't have the stomach for a fight, if push came to shove on the disputed Sino-Indian boundary.


"Whether in terms of GDP, defence spend or any other parameter, the gap between the two is too wide to bridge and is getting wider by the day," he said.


Is Mehta expressing frustration at the slow pace of India's military modernisation? While India spends about $30 billion annually on defence, China spends at least thrice as much, although some estimates go up to $ 200 billion.


Its military is twice as large as India and its nuclear arsenal far well proven.
India can't match China's military force: Navy Chief

yes, as it stands now, Chinese GDP is 3 times bigger than India. So?

Yes, China spends somewhere 30-200 billion yearly but could only come out out with 3-rd planes. really traggic! Indians are able to have force far better in quality in so much smaller budget.

USSR, another communists/socialist country has become history! Enjoy the ride

 

[Speeder]

So, you acknowledge China is El-Cheapo! It is a good step forward.

I am amazed even living outside for 7 years, you were not able to know GDP per capita of your country. You believe people who earn 3000$ / capital live in towers? So please dont kid yourself.

Just like you said cheapest products are not made in India, yes it is true. Similarly high tech things that are made in India cannot be made in China.

Your govt relies obedience of the people and controls the media and has election of one-party government. I cannot understand how can one elect some one in a one-party government. That is called human rights and I hope living for a couple of years outside hopefully would have given some insight of what I am telling you.

You are desperate to compare slums in India, and it is out there. But there is nothing to hide in India. We have it and we are poor country. But being Chinese and being born in China, you would have very well seen slums (unless ofcourse you were blind).

Another fact for you, if you can take anymore of it. China surpased per-capita of India only in 1991, till then China was behind India. So I am amazed how silly you become!

I am proud being an Indian that I am not afraid of the government. I have rights, a court system and thriving media. And regarding Indian movies, are you aware there are more movies made in India than rest of the world combined!

You boost about your per-capita, but did you forget you are only child of your parent. Why is that? Your govt decided that. in my country, the govt will get flipped over if it dares to do so.

Now some more hard facts for you, India's total population was 440 million+ in 1947 and now we have 1.2 billion of which about 25% are poor i.e. 300 million. That is inspite of adding 760 million in population, only 300 million are poor.

In case of China, China had a population of 1.1 billion in 1947 and now it is 1.3 million with about 10% poor people. ie. 110 million people are poor out of 200 million million added.

So, it is quite obvious, why per capita has to go down, when there are more young population than older population in early stages.

Come on, try to copy adults' conversation on economy? Give me a break!

Please, don't keep embarrasing yourself anymore with your crooked logic and half-baked data.

China's 3000 USD per cap is according to nomial GDP, in which Yuan/USD official enchange rate is the key factor to under-esitimate Chinese number, because Yuan is not freely floated. Most western economists/thinktanks argue that Yuan is undervalued by at least 40%, with some saying even much more. That translates into at least 40% higher per cap GDP in nominal terms, straight away.

Of course, I gonna skip here to tutor you on Economics ABC, within which one can easily find several other bigger factors that underestimate Chinese real GDP in its nonimal presentation as well.



Regarding India, where you pull that "only 300m poor people" out? What's your definition of being poor in India? 0.5$ or 1$? per day?


I read an article recently talking about India's definition for "the Middle Class" ( I can't recall the source... probably Asia Times; one can easily google it up using following related keywords though if interested):

It says that in India there are 3 conditions for one to be officially classified as "the Middle Class ". I paraphase----

Condition A. Have a TV
Condition B. Have a telephone ( either landline or mobile)
Condition C. Owner of a motorized vehicle ( with, or more than, 3 wheels)



Under this definition, I reckon that all Indian 3-wheel cab drivers must have been the "Middle Class", right?

With this standard, majority of rest of the world (barr some extreme examples in Sub-Sahara) must have also qualified as "Middle Class" a la Indian-style, right? And India still got "300 million poor" (in your own words) with this "middle class" definition.

You must be a first-class comedian!

 

[rajeev]

Come on, try to copy adults' conversation on economy? Give me a break!

Please, don't keep embarrasing yourself anymore with your crooked logic and half-baked data.

China's 3000 USD per cap is according to nomial GDP, in which Yuan/USD official enchange rate is the key factor to under-esitimate Chinese number, because Yuan is not freely floated. Most western economists thinktanks argue that Yuan is undervalued by at least 40%, with some saying even much more. That translates into at least 40% higher per cap GDP in nominal terms, straight away.

Of course, I gonna skip here to tutor you on Economics ABC within which one can easily find several other bigger factors that underestimate Chinese real GDP in its nonimal presentation as well.

Here you per_capita_gdp for you. May be it is too much for your own understanding.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, if you are comparing everything based on PPP, then you should follow the same standard for India as well.

Regarding India, where you pull that "only 300m poor people" out? What's your definition of being poor in India? 1$? or 1.5 $ per day?


I read an aticle recently talking about India's definition for "the Middle Class" ( I can't recall the source... probably Asia Times; one can easily google it up using following related keywords though if interested):

It says that in India there are 3 conditions for one to be classified as "the Middle Class ", I paraphase----

Condition A. Have a TV
Condition B. Have a telephone ( either landline or mobile)
Condition C. Owner of a motorized vehicle ( with, or more than, 3 wheels)



Under this definition, I reckon that all Indian 3-wheel cab drivers must have been the "Middle Class", right?

With this standard, almost entire rest of the world (barr some extreme examples in Sub-Sahara) must have also qualified as "Middle Class" a la Indian-style, right? And India still got "300 million poor" (your won words) with this "middle class" definition.

You must be a first-class comedian!

Thank you for your telling another great source of economics - asia times. I was unaware of their great source of knowledge.

When you grow up, please do care to read IMF reports as well. It appears to me, I am talking to kids out here, who dont any have nominal source of economics.

I knew that only source of media was government, but I was astonished to hear even the knowledge of economics is from asiatimes.

Please find out for yourself, what is standard definition widely used by the world (not by China, not by Asia times)? It is rather silly that I write in detail, then some people come and talk about **** totally on a tangent.

 

[Speeder]

Here you per_capita_gdp for you. May be it is too much for your own understanding.

List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, if you are comparing everything based on PPP, then you should follow the same standard for India as well.



Thank you for your telling another great source of economics - asia times. I was unaware of their great source of knowledge.

When you grow up, please do care to read IMF reports as well. It appears to me, I am talking to kids out here, who dont any have nominal source of economics.

I knew that only source of media was government, but I was astonished to hear even the knowledge of economics is from asiatimes.

Please find out for yourself, what is standard definition widely used by the world (not by China, not by Asia times)? It is rather silly that I write in detail, then some people come and talk about **** totally on a tangent.

Don't give me some crap wiki sources!

Frankly speaking, I am studying economics in one of the best universities in London, junior!

 

[grey boy 2]

yes, as it stands now, Chinese GDP is 3 times bigger than India. So?

Yes, China spends somewhere 30-200 billion yearly but could only come out out with 3-rd planes. really traggic! Indians are able to have force far better in quality in so much smaller budget.

USSR, another communists/socialist country has become history! Enjoy the ride

You are 100% qualify as a loser running away from reality !

If you can't handle the truth, feel free to continue your mental

mast........... Good luck.

 

[rajeev]

Don't give me some crap wiki sources!

Frankly speaking, I am studying economics in one of the best universities in London, junior!

And I work as a Economist. So, learn your lessons well. And always it is good to have another source of economics other than "Asia times".

When you grow up, hopefully your abilities will grow and you will read more complex docs from IMF and Fed. But before you get there, you need to understand basics first.

 

[grey boy 2]

And I work as a Economist. So, learn your lessons well. And always it is good to have another source of economics other than "Asia times".

When you grow up, hopefully your abilities will grow and you will read more complex docs from IMF and Fed. But before you get there, you need to understand basics first.

Please don't insult those really are Economist !!

They will never said something like "As it stand right now, China GDP

is three times of India, So ?"

at least save yourself some dignity and move on.

 

[Speeder]

And I work as a Economist. So, learn your lessons well. And always it is good to have another source of economics other than "Asia times".

When you grow up, hopefully your abilities will grow and you will read more complex docs from IMF and Fed. But before you get there, you need to understand basics first.

Yeah , right! You work as an economist...

You work as an economist for you someone else's grocery store, right?

Don't try to waste my time with your illiterate remark. Yeah, judging by what you wrote, I have no doubt that you are viturally illiterate in economics, kid !


And you work as an economist... HAHAHAHA..

 

[rajeev]

Please don't insult those really are Economist !!

They will never said something like "As it stand right now, China GDP

is three times if India, So ?"

at least save yourself some dignity and move on.

I have no idea why are you so cracked up? It is the opium what schinese was talking about?

No country that has any form of decent tech provides any kind of tech to China. Russia provides some access but only to an extent.

China is stuck between rock and a hard place. They have lot of money for military but no leading-edge planes to reverse engineer.

Some material for you to read:
Amazon.com: The Coming Collapse of China (9780375504778): Gordon G. Chang: Books

Enjoy your read! cheers

 

[grey boy 2]

I have no idea why are you so cracked up? It is the opium what schinese was talking about?

No country that has any form of decent tech provides any kind of tech to China. Russia provides some access but only to an extent.

China is stuck between rock and a hard place. They have lot of money for military but no leading-edge planes to reverse engineer.

Some material for you to read:
Amazon.com: The Coming Collapse of China (9780375504778): Gordon G. Chang: Books

Enjoy your read! cheers

My dear, since you were completely beaten up;

I will let you go for now.

P.S. Next time do some homework before trash talking.

BYE !!

 

[Speeder]

I have no idea why are you so cracked up? It is the opium what schinese was talking about?

No country that has any form of decent tech provides any kind of tech to China. Russia provides some access but only to an extent.

China is stuck between rock and a hard place. They have lot of money for military but no leading-edge planes to reverse engineer.

Some material for you to read:
Amazon.com: The Coming Collapse of China (9780375504778): Gordon G. Chang: Books

Enjoy your read! cheers

I go to sleep now and have no time to look more at your crap on China and India.

Just remember, this is an open forum. There are many people worldwide who know something in economics can see what you just wrote on "economics" and your "arguments".

Try pasting your "econimics" remark to any other specialised web blog on economics and see, junior? If you worked as an economist or remotely close to that, then G W Bush jr. would have been Nobel Prize Winner in Physics!

I am done with you, a "middle-class" "economist" joker, shall we say?

 

[rajeev]

I go to sleep now and have no time to look more at your crap on China and India.

Just remember, this is an open forum. There are many people worldwide who know something in economics can see what you just wrote on "economics" and your "arguments".

Try pasting your "econimics" remark to any other specialised web blog on economics and see, junior? If you worked as an economist or remotely close to that, then G W Bush jr. would have been Nobel Prize Winner in Physics!

I am done with you, a "middle-class" "economist" joker, shall we say?

I provided you a source with info from three leading sources : IMF, World Bank and CIA (US) about Chinese GDP per capita. When the data does not match your understanding, you refute it altogether.

You then come back with an article in "asia times" - goodness sake. A guy who claims to be studying for economics is starting off with this.

Then asks how I gather my info for the stats. I provided you info where I gathered information about where one can find the statistics and I augmented again.

It appears I am talking to some one who claims to be studying economics, did not know what PPP is?

Hope your 14% debt-ridden country (UK) have the currency(pound) have any chance to sustain the value of the paper it is printed on! I am sure you dont understand that either.

It is really tragic that someone with such low quality posting with no information in any of the postings and merely stating some stupid talks of personal attacks seems to glorify his knowledge on economics.

Some how, he judged that I am middle class just because I engaged with him

Intelligence is a god-given gift unfortunately that you are short off. I wasted my time explaining you more and more, but it appears that all the time wasted typing has gone invane.

schinese and to some extent, gray boy were some what sensible, but you appear to lost sense of reasoning.

 

[grey boy 2]

Speeder brother; Look at this funny guy, trying to play his little

dividing game on Chinese, what a joke ! first he saying shchinese

made better sense than me, now he is saying me and shchinese

made better sense than you. He just don't get it , whats IQ108 stand

for !!

 

[Merilion]

So, you acknowledge China is El-Cheapo! It is a good step forward.

yes, we made things affordable to many ppl in the world.

Just like you said cheapest products are not made in India, yes it is true. Similarly high tech things that are made in India cannot be made in China.

care to explain which high tech things are made in India cannot be made in China?

Another fact for you, if you can take anymore of it. China surpased per-capita of India only in 1991, till then China was behind India. So I am amazed how silly you become!

do u bother to think why you lag behind then? One of the reason I believe is due to the politcal system which you are very proud of.

Now some more hard facts for you, India's total population was 440 million+ in 1947 and now we have 1.2 billion of which about 25% are poor i.e. 300 million. That is inspite of adding 760 million in population, only 300 million are poor.

In case of China, China had a population of 1.1 billion in 1947 and now it is 1.3 million with about 10% poor people. ie. 110 million people are poor out of 200 million million added.

So, it is quite obvious, why per capita has to go down, when there are more young population than older population in early stages.

but pls get your data correct.