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'God Will Provide', Believe 3 Pakistani Men Who Sired 96 Children

'God Will Provide', Believe 3 Pakistani Men Who Sired 96 Children

ISLAMABAD:
HIGHLIGHTS
  1. With 3 kids per woman, Pakistan has the highest birth rate in South Asia
  2. The surging populace is gouging into hard-won economic gains
  3. But there is also awareness about need for birth spacing, family planning


Three men who have fathered nearly 100 children among them are doing their bit for Pakistan's skyrocketing population, which is being counted for the first time in 19 years.

But in a country where experts warn the surging populace is gouging into hard-won economic gains and social services, the three patriarchs are unconcerned. Allah, they say, will provide.

Pakistan has the highest birth rate in South Asia at around three children per woman, according to the World Bank and government figures, and the census is expected to show that growth remains high.

"God has created the entire universe and all human beings, so why should I stop the natural process of a baby's birth?" asks Gulzar Khan, a father of 36, citing one of the strongest influences in the region: the belief that Islam prevents family planning.

Tribal enmity is another factor in the northwest, where the 57-year-old lives in the city of Bannu with his third wife, who is pregnant.

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Gulzar Khan, a father of 36, feels his children don't need friends to play a full cricket match.

"We wanted to be stronger," the 57-year-old tells AFP, surrounded by 23 of his offspring -- so many, he observes, they don't need friends to play a full cricket match.

Polygamy is legal but rare in Pakistan, and families like Mr Khan's are not the norm, though the beliefs he holds are widespread.


The last census, held in 1998, showed Pakistan had a population of up to 135 million. Estimates suggest the new census -- carried out earlier this year, with the preliminary results due by the end of July -- will put the figure closer to 200 million.

The economy is expanding faster than it has in a decade, and last month Islamabad hiked its development budget by 40 per cent.

But observers have warned the population boom is negating any progress, using up valuable resources in a young country where jobs are scarce and nearly 60 million people live below the poverty line.

"It definitely is a problem because it is affecting health outcomes adversely and also eating into development gains," says Zeba A. Sathar, country director for the UN population council.

Ms Sathar predicted the census would show growth has slowed due to lower fertility rates, though she added it would remain among the highest rates in the region.

"There has to be a clear enunciation of need to slow growth as a positive policy lever," she said. "And then next a good, effective health system that provides information and services of quality."

'God will provide'

Mr Khan's brother, Mastan Khan Wazir -- one of his 15 siblings -- also has three wives. So far, Mr Wazir has only fathered 22 children but, like his brother, he says his grandchildren are too numerous to count.

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Mastan Khan Wazir has three wives and so far, he has only fathered 22 children.

The 70-year-old, with his bushy moustache and bejewelled fingers, is a minor celebrity in North Waziristan tribal district, where his blinged out jeep -- done in the style of Pakistan's famous "jingle trucks", with Pashto music pouring from the stereo -- is a familiar sight.


"God has promised that he will provide food and resources but people have weak faith," he tells AFP, wearing a traditional Waziristani turban.

In the southwestern city of Quetta in Balochistan province, Jan Mohammed -- the father of 38 children -- agrees, despite having previously called on the government to provide resources for his family.

Mr Mohammed spoke with AFP in 2016 to voice his desire for a fourth wife as he continues his mission of having 100 children. No woman has yet agreed, he says, but he has not given up.

"The more Muslims grow, the more their enemies will fear them... Muslims should go for more and more children," he said.

Empowering women

Denied their husbands' permission to speak, none of the three men's wives could give their views on family planning in Islam.

But there is already "abundant" awareness in Pakistan about the need for birth spacing, or allowing a woman's body to rest for at least 18 months between pregnancies, Ms Sathar said.

"The need is for clear information about the methods available, how they work, their possible side effects and where to get them. That is missing," she added.

Giving women more of a choice in the matter could help, argues Aisha Sarwari, a feminist activist who has previously written on population and women's rights.

"Access to birth control for women can be a game changer," she told AFP.

"Ultimately the impact is that there are more resources to go around ... Empowered women have fewer children, and this creates a mindset that leads to prosperity within families that is likely to be emulated across communities."

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Gulzar Khan though says that birth control will free him up for other leisure activities.

Mr Khan, at least, admitted there could be some benefits to slowing down.

For one thing, tribal enmity in the northwest has decreased in recent years, he said. "Now, with the grace of God, the situation has changed -- war and fighting is finished -- so, now, a decrease in the population would not be bad."

It would also free him up for other leisure activities, he says, adding wistfully: "If one had fewer children, one would have more time to make love to his wives."
http://www.ndtv.com/world-news/god-...3-pakistani-men-who-sired-96-children-1710363

India too have millions of child labour. Personally I hate seeing any Pakistani child working when he should be at school. Government need force child labour laws to save future generations.
 
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I don't know which kind of liberal. Maybe orange.

And i am a philosophically liberal not political

You dont seem like a liberal. You don't seem like a conservative. Your stances are shaky.
I think you're philosophically confused.

India too have millions of child labour. Personally I hate seeing any Pakistani child working when he should be at school. Government need force child labour laws to save future generations.

What is this attitude ? I hate when I see PDF members starting threads about india or justify something happening in Pakistan by saying "it happens in India too" . To hell with India. Let them do their own thing. India is not our role model.
 
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You dont seem like a liberal. You don't seem like a conservative. Your stances are shaky.
I think you're philosophically confused.



What is this attitude ? I hate when I see PDF members starting threads about india or justify something happening in Pakistan by saying "it happens in India too" . To hell with India. Let them do their own thing. India is not our role model.

Hahaha here's a thought.

I said i am a liberal and you said i seem not. Say i am confused yet you seem quite shaken on how to categories me.l

Ocd? I don't understand the need to define oneself so obsessively.

Labels. Thats fundamentally against philosophy of liberalism
 
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Hahaha here's a thought.

I said i am a liberal and you said i seem not. Say i am confused yet you seem quite shaken on how to categories me.l

Ocd? I don't understand the need to define oneself so obsessively.

Labels. Thats fundamentally against philosophy of liberalism

There's no place for gray area in a debate. Its either black or white. Stances need to be taken. Labels need to be given.
 
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Please stop breeding. Not only is bad in terms of the effects of high birth rates and on a macro level, but can you or any parent you know really do right by that many kids? Can you give each of those kids, their material needs, the right upbringing, maximise their chances in life? There's only one honest answer here, and that is 'No'. At the very least each extra kid diminishes the resources, effort and attention to the rest. And no doubt God will provide, but he has also provided you with a brain in the first instance, and if you can use it to avoid stupidity and self inflicted harm, it is probably preferable.
 
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Please stop breeding. Not only is bad in terms of the effects of high birth rates and on a macro level, but can you or any parent you know really do right by that many kids? Can you give each of those kids, their material needs, the right upbringing, maximise their chances in life? There's only one honest answer here, and that is 'No'. At the very least each extra kid diminishes the resources, effort and attention to the rest. And no doubt God will provide, but he has also provided you with a brain in the first instance, and if you can use it to avoid stupidity and self inflicted harm, it is probably preferable.
Agreed with you 100%.

These guys are misguided.
 
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There's no place for gray area in a debate. Its either black or white. Stances need to be taken. Labels need to be given.

That's a very narrow minded approach if you ask me. The need to categories and classify.

I can answer you in a very narrow minded manner on the topic if you need an end to the debate which i don't know became because having different opinions is against your liberal beliefs?

The matter is discussed in Qur'an and is definite the only definitive truth in our existence. Read it
Humans have not evolved a single bit till the last words were transmitted from Muhammad's pbuh mouth.

These mediocre humans. Less food. Less education. less resources. It is not post industrialization. Even evolutionist have narrowed down the existence of humans to a single pair which produced like and i quote jack rabbits. The most liberal mind will accept that for the animal part and gene to survive it must procreate as much as it can.

Definite enough?
 
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In the old days, people had many kids, because they thought they would help their parents with farm work, and house chores.

When in reality it is more difficult because the parents have to pay for kid's education, food, etc.
 
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Please stop breeding. Not only is bad in terms of the effects of high birth rates and on a macro level, but can you or any parent you know really do right by that many kids? Can you give each of those kids, their material needs, the right upbringing, maximise their chances in life? There's only one honest answer here, and that is 'No'. At the very least each extra kid diminishes the resources, effort and attention to the rest. And no doubt God will provide, but he has also provided you with a brain in the first instance, and if you can use it to avoid stupidity and self inflicted harm, it is probably preferable.

I will tell him. I am sure he didn't know that his kin is somehow effecting your efficient life.

His response would "meh" ?

And will probably have a laugh and go make preparations for the next baby.

Moral of the story: live and let live.
 
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In the old days, people had many kids, because they thought they would help their parents with farm work, and house chores.

When in reality it is more difficult because the parents have to pay for kid's education, food, etc.

You are on a role today Sir. Like fireworks everywhere.

You know those contraceptive means have existed since times of Abraham? Like seriously some Kyle and Terry were debating this over their iPads back then the same thing.

Wonder why God chose to say this to all of Abraham's children.

Everything's just post industrialization to an unhealthy amount of majority I am afraid to believe.


 
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You are on a role today Sir. Like fireworks everywhere.

You know those contraceptive means have existed since times of Abraham? Like seriously some Kyle and Terry were debating this over their iPads back then the same thing.

Wonder why God chose to say this to all of Abraham's children.

Everything's just post industrialization to an unhealthy amount of majority I am afraid to believe.
And your point is? :what:

Yes contraceptives exist, but people should know when to stop having babies.
 
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What is this attitude ? I hate when I see PDF members starting threads about india or justify something happening in Pakistan by saying "it happens in India too" . To hell with India. Let them do their own thing. India is not our role model.

@Soumitra didi is known Pak hater, that's why I said that.
 
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