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Every one in India grown up with Muslims so what's new?
There was no difference back then until petro dollars arrived with Saudi money and masjids started preaching Wahhabism.

You remember our Kashmiri Sarthak Ganguly?

His story and mine are very similar.

We were both not considered threats and hence got to see their real side. In a setting which they dominated and felt were not being looked in or heard upon.

Cheers, Doc
 
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You remember our Kashmiri Sarthak Ganguly?

His story and mine are very similar.

We were both not considered threats and hence got to see their real side. In a setting which they dominated and felt were not being looked in or heard upon.

Cheers, Doc
They were foolish to not to take you as threat :D
I will say they were masoom and while you were cunning fox. I meet daily with muslims i feel or see no difference.
Funny things is there are so much similarities than differences. We both hate cuti fati jeans. :D
 
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Funny things is there are so much similarities than differences. We both hate cuti fati jeans. :D
Just that only your sisters, wife, girlfriend or friends etc can wear them..
 
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They were foolish to not to take you as threat :D
I will say they were masoom and while you were cunning fox. I meet daily with muslims i feel or see no difference.
Funny things is there are so much similarities than differences. We both hate cuti fati jeans. :D

Yes I know. You are the young India. I am talking about a time you were not born man.

70s and early 80s.

Very very different India.

They have gone into a shell in the past 20-30 years.

Bombay broke their back. But instead of realigning and mainstreaming with the rest of the country, they have gone more religious and insular.

I am recently seeing the same in a batchmate of mine. And he's a serving very senior officer .... typical 5 times namaz (in the fauj) and this is my deen deal with it types.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Just that only your sisters, wife, girlfriend or friends etc can wear them..
You know nothing about me and wasn't needed a personal attack but to answer your question nobody in my family wear cuti fati jeans and my wife ,sister will slap you if you ask them to wear and we don't have bastardized western culture of girl friend or whatever.

Yes I know. You are the young India. I am talking about a time you were not born man.

70s and early 80s.

Very very different India.

They have gone into a shell in the past 20-30 years.

Bombay broke their back. But instead of realigning and mainstreaming with the rest of the country, they have gone more religious and insular.

I am recently seeing the same in a batchmate of mine. And he's a serving very senior officer .... typical 5 times namaz (in the fauj) and this is my deen deal with it types.

Cheers, Doc
I have no doubt you are right on that.
 
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Time for Muslims to do their bit too, wouldn't you say ? There wouldn't be resentment against you guys and the need for judicial action if the Indian Muslim community themselves decided to either switch off or turn down, significantly, the volume of their 5 times a day, 365 days a year stuff, and even more during Ramzaan time.. "get up and hog all you can now !!!!" stuff.. sooo annoying. :tdown: :angry:

I agree. In another thread on this topic just two days ago I said that Indian Muslims should use the cell phone app Muslim Pro which notifies the user of the qibla ( prayer direction ) and the azaan itself. This app is used by Muslims in the West. I don't see why Indian Muslims cannot adopt it.

Even then, Hindus don't burst crackers every day throughout the year. Diwali if stretched lasts a week. It's not for 365 days in a year.

Even one day of a city full of firecrackers bursting is too much. We should follow the Chinese example and ban firecrackers outright.

And they are banned and people went to jail for that.

But how many people lodge complaint against firecracker bursting for fear of sparking a communal riot ?

Similarly I hope if anyone violates this, they too shall go to jail.

Agreed. I too would like azaan-on-loudspeaker to not be done. Please see above.

Thanks to Islamo-leftist propaganda, noise levels for crackers have gone down very significantly these past decades and continue to fall. In the neighbourhood I grew up in Delhi almost nobody bursts crackers anymore.

Some Hindus themselves against firecrackers, like these parents who petitioned the Supreme Court on behalf of their young infants :
As the festival season arrives, fear of pollution reaching abysmal levels is on a rise.

In a first-of-its-kind case, parents of three toddlers, aged between six and 14 months have approached the Supreme Court seeking its intervention to stop the use of loud firecrackers during Dussehra and Diwali, asserting their children’s right to be brought up in a pollution-free environment.

According to news published by Hindustan Times, petitioners Arjun Goyal, Aarav Bhandari and Zoya Rao Bhasin – all between six to 14 months have sought the apex court’s intervention as authorities have failed to take adequate measures to curb air and noise pollution.

“They are foremost prone to lung disease, asthma, coughing, bronchitis, retarded nervous system development and cognitive impairment,” the petitioners submitted and urged the court to issue immediate orders restraining government agencies from issuing licences for sale of firecrackers in the Capital.

Vulnerable infants

The widespread use of firecrackers in Delhi – declared the most polluted city in the world by the World Health Organization – during the festive season exposes vulnerable infants to severe diseases such as asthma and worsens their lung conditions, the petition said.

Asserting their fundamental right to a clean and healthy environment under Article 21, the toddlers said, “The right to breathe clean air is essential for a conducive environment for growth and development.”

Though the Supreme Court has declared the state as the protector of natural resources, the latter has failed to perform its job effectively, the petition alleged.

Authorities haven’t laid down any guidelines to ensure that manufacturers or sellers conform to environmental norms while distributing these crackers. A look at the licences will “show that environmental and pollution concerns are furthest from the minds of the Government representatives,” the petition said.

Several reports from health journals and research papers were given to the court in support of the petition to show how pollutants released from fireworks worsen the lung conditions of children.

“The imminent advent of festivals that involve widespread fireworks are a clear and present danger to the health of the Applicants and the other children who are residents of Delhi,” the petition said.


It cited a study in Bangalore that shows how a widespread awareness campaign and enforcement mechanisms led to a sharp 32 per cent decrease in pollution levels there during Diwali time in 2013 compared to a year ago. The petition said the ruling brought some respite to Delhi residents but studies thereafter revealed that cases of wheezing, respiratory diseases, exacerbation of bronchial asthma and bronchitis increase by 40 per cent during Diwali.

Meanwhile, the National Green Tribunal on Monday sought response from the Union Government on a lawyer's plea seeking designated time and place for use of firecrackers during festivals like Diwali.

A bench headed by Justice U D Salvi issued notice to Union Ministry of Environment Forests and Climate Change (MoEFCC), Ministry of Commerce and Industry, Petroleum and Explosives Safety Organisation and others while seeking their reply by October 12.

According to Economic Times, the plea moved by advocate Piyush Singh says there is severe impact of firecrackers on the environment and causes air and noise pollution. Singh had contended in his plea that the chemicals released into the environment due to bursting of crackers caused negative effects on the health and "every individual especially children, pregnant women and old people are at an increased risk of suffering health complications due to it".

The petition has also referred to a Supreme Court judgement that said, "In no religious text book it is written that Diwali has to be celebrated by bursting crackers. Diwali is considered as a festival of lights, not of noise."

Earlier in 2005, the Supreme Court had issued directions to restrict the use of fireworks and fixed 10 pm deadline for their use. It also changed the basis for evaluating fireworks from the noise level to its chemical composition.


Govts have been banning bursting crackers after certain time in the night during Diwali long time it went to supreme court.even today if some one bursts crackers in the middle of the night ,they can be booked.


They have gone into a shell in the past 20-30 years.

Bombay broke their back. But instead of realigning and mainstreaming with the rest of the country, they have gone more religious and insular.

I am recently seeing the same in a batchmate of mine. And he's a serving very senior officer .... typical 5 times namaz (in the fauj) and this is my deen deal with it types.

Courtesy the TJ.
 
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qibla ( prayer direction )

So much of Islam is borrowed from Mazdayasna.

Qibla or Kebla is not direction.

It is the raised platform and enclosure within which is seated the Atash in the Afarganyu (silver vase).

It is the sanctum sanctorum. Which can only be stepped into by cleansed priests.

Cheers, Doc
 
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So much of Islam is borrowed from Mazdayasna.

Qibla or Kebla is not direction.

It is the raised platform and enclosure within which is seated the Atash in the Afarganyu (silver vase).

It is the sanctum sanctorum. Which can only be stepped into by cleansed priests.

Cheers, Doc

I see. But two things :

1. In Islam the qibla is direction.

2. There are many a atash while Islamic qibla is one.

And it is possible that the Muslim five-prayers-a-day had an origin which included Arabic and Persian cultures. I had long ago read a post on this forum to such effect.
 
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I see. But two things :

1. In Islam the qibla is direction.

2. There are many a atash while Islamic qibla is one.

And it is possible that five-prayers-a-day had an origin which included Arabic and Persian cultures.

There is only one Atash Padshah in the world.

And He is in Udvada.

Cheers, Doc
 
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You know nothing about me and wasn't needed a personal attack but to answer your question nobody in my family wear cuti fati jeans and my wife ,sister will slap you if you ask them to wear and we don't have bastardized western culture of girl friend or whatever.
Wasn't a personal attack at all, just used what you said to make a point about how Hindus etc are a way more socially liberal lot than Indian muslims, who, as Doc noted a few posts earlier, are super insular, super ultra conservative and keep their distance from the rest of us.. their women have no freedom.. and by that I don't mean promiscuous behavior.. how sexist of you to even think that way.. tsk tsk :disagree:

Talking about slightly upwardly mobile middle class + modern urban Indians here.. seen so many instances where no matter how morally upright, competent or capable in the workplace their women might be. They're just not allowed to partake in festivities etc.. and sure, India is not the west, we're mostly conservative in our attitudes to seks etc but it's a little too much in the Indian muslim community.. Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Parsis, whathavyou are not that stuck up.

I am socially ultra liberal, not conservative.

Bhot dekhen hain, bhai.. Gurugram ke "conservative" jaats etc out all night drinking having fun with their Russian/Ukrainian jugaads in big Merc SUVs while their gaamwaali wives stay at home tending to their 3 kids...
Some Hindus themselves against firecrackers
of course they are

what we'd like to see is some Muslims who petition the courts to stop azan noise
 
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But was that atash installed long long before the period that Islam came about or was it carried from Iran by the Zoroastrians who took refuge in India ?

It is the same original Atash.

And it still burns in Iran.

And protects Iran.

And always will.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Talking about slightly upwardly mobile middle class + modern urban Indians here.. seen so many instances where no matter how morally upright, competent or capable in the workplace their women might be. They're just not allowed to partake in festivities etc.. and sure, India is not the west, we're mostly conservative in our attitudes to seks etc but it's a little too much in the Indian muslim community.. Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Parsis, whathavyou are not that stuck up.

That "too much" part is because of popularization of the Tablighi Jamaat in the last 15 to 20 years. The TJ is responsible for curtailing of Muslim womens' freedoms and the wearing of the burqa. I think the percentage of Indian burqa wearing is far far more than in any other country. Even Afghanistan.

Bhot dekhen hain, bhai.. Gurugram ke "conservative" jaats etc out all night drinking having fun with their Russian/Ukrainian jugaads in big Merc SUVs while their gaamwaali wives stay at home tending to their 3 kids...

Hypocrites !

It is the same original Atash.

And it still burns in Iran.

And protects Iran.

And always will.

Cheers, Doc

Protects how ?

And so there is some interleaving between Arabic and ancient Iranian culture.
 
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Wasn't a personal attack at all, just used what you said to make a point about how Hindus etc are a way more socially liberal lot than Indian muslims, who, as Doc noted a few posts earlier, are super insular, super ultra conservative and keep their distance from the rest of us.. their women have no freedom.. and by that I don't mean promiscuous behavior.. how sexist of you to even think that way.. tsk tsk :disagree:

Talking about slightly upwardly mobile middle class + modern urban Indians here.. seen so many instances where no matter how morally upright, competent or capable in the workplace their women might be. They're just not allowed to partake in festivities etc.. and sure, India is not the west, we're mostly conservative in our attitudes to seks etc but it's a little too much in the Indian muslim community.. Sikhs, Hindus, Christians, Parsis, whathavyou are not that stuck up.

I am socially ultra liberal, not conservative.

Bhot dekhen hain, bhai.. Gurugram ke "conservative" jaats etc out all night drinking having fun with their Russian/Ukrainian jugaads in big Merc SUVs while their gaamwaali wives stay at home tending to their 3 kids...

of course they are

what we'd like to see is some Muslims who petition the courts to stop azan noise
From my experience in which i have a vast experience with every religion which are in majority in India or i know of. Every person i came across who was more religious was more conservative.

To the Gurgaon remarks , yes i agree as it is true. But that doesn't make it majority Jats household practices. Ghar wapsi of those fools are going on and for a laugh they doing it themselves. They saw the enjoyment and then repercussion in lost marriages and families.

Also next time instead of believing or portraying my opinion by reading some of posts just simply ask as i might surprise you.
 
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