Global Firepower placed Pakistan as 10th most powerful country on earth - 2021 .

[Khanate]

True pakistan is a very confused nation, they keep thr lips sealed when chinese genocide the muslims, they r mistreated by arabs in gulf states(ppl frm whole Indian subcontinent) but they will show that they care of Palestinian ppl but in reality thr Military actually killed Palestinians in plenty

Check out "black September" and pakistani role in it..

And who could forget 1971 genocide of Bangladeshi muslims and hindus...

And then they cry for kashmir although the territory occupied by them in erstwhile Jammu n kashmir princly state is run over by panjabi muslims and ppl r protesting every now and then for basics

Nothing says confusion like voting for BJP because you hate Muslim but then taking the first opportunity to leave India to work in US, UAE and Pakistan. Lest you forget,

• There are more Indian migrants living in Pakistan than the United States

Before you deliver a lecture on Black September, take a moment to tender an apology for the 1984 Sikh genocide

• It's Time India Accept Responsibility for Its 1984 Sikh Genocide

Maybe stop backward Sanghis from labelling fellow Hindus as 'untouchables'. Casteism has no place in 2021.

This website only compares raw numbers.
Not technology, not morale, not quality of people, not training. Pure numbers.

Israel has proven countless times it can defeat countries many times its size, some of these countries are higher than Israel in this list. That doesn't mean they're stronger.

Israel has defeated the conventional Arab armies albeit with US assistance but it is the resulting moral victory which counts but this was back in the 60s and 70s. If we look to more recent wars, Israel was badly dented by Hezbollah in 2006 which is just a tiny militia and far smaller than IDF, albeit with Iranian assistance but again it is moral victory that counts.

Why is India number 4 when it received beatings from 2 nuclear powers in February 2019 and June 2020 respectively?

It is the experience that counts.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Israel has defeated the conventional Arab armies albeit with US assistance but it is the resulting moral victory which counts but this was back in the 60s and 70s. If we look to more recent wars, Israel was badly dented by Hezbollah in 2006 which is just a tiny militia and far smaller than IDF, albeit with Iranian assistance but again it is moral victory that counts.

You can claim false victories all you want.
In the end I live in a safe, economically successful country, while Lebanon is, well, Lebanon.
Israeli soldiers were tactically superior at every encounter. Israeli government was stupid back then, decided to enter Lebanon without a pre-plannings, and decided to get out before the army could finish their job.

Today its a different story, Israeli army is optimized for Hezbollah. Next war would be the end of Iranian sponsored terrorism.

 

[KaiserX]

You can claim false victories all you want.
In the end I live in a safe, economically successful country, while Lebanon is, well, Lebanon.
Israeli soldiers were tactically superior at every encounter. Israeli government was stupid back then, decided to enter Lebanon without a pre-plannings, and decided to get out before the army could finish their job.

Today its a different story, Israeli army is optimized for Hezbollah. Next war would be the end of Iranian sponsored terrorism.

Atleast Israel goes into its neighbors destroys its enemys and got out. Sure nothing is perfect Israel might have lost a few soldiers in the past and in future might lose a few hundred but what would be left of hezbollah/lebanon?

Pakistan is the type of nation that takes almost daily attacks from afghanistan/iran/india yet never once used its military to go destroy them in their own homes. Something we can learn from the Israelis.

Now back to topic with regards to sheer military power, technology, numbers, training Israel def places in the top ten and any list that doesnt acknoledge that is not credible.

1) US
2) China/Russia
3) Russia/China
4. Japan
5. UK
6. France
7. India
8. Israel/Pakistan
9. Pakistan/Israel
10. South Korea

 

[Reichsmarschall]

Pakistan is the type of nation that takes almost daily attacks from afghanistan/iran/india

There's a lot of difference between fighting palestinian school kids and fighting world's 4th largest military.
How many times have israel picked a fight with nuclear power much less a country of almost 1.5 billion people.

 

[KaiserX]

There's a lot of difference between fighting palestinian school kids and fighting world's 4th largest military.
How many times have israel picked a fight with nuclear power much less a country of almost 1.5 billion people.

4th largest military what a joke... India is barely more capable than israel/pakistan/turkey and the only reason it would even be in the top ten is due to the indian prowess of population size.

Compared to well oiled and trained militaries India is a laughing stock.

Pakistan always had a reactionary than a pre emptive mindset. We wait until India hits us with stikes or we wait until some terrorist groups launches border strikes via afghanistan.

Pakistan very rarely uses its military long arm, for example the drones, jets, missiles, and even long range ariel refuelers that we have. Admit it most of our weaponery is only good for fly bys or military parades.

I will make the exception that we have the ISI which is very capable and has proven to carry out strikes against our enemies in afghanistan india and even bangladesh/sri lanka, for that we all should be thankful for.

 

[Abid123]

I do think they take account of technology though, morale/ppl quality cant b counted...

Israel is pretty strong though definitely above turkey/pakistan

You are a idiot if you rank Israel above either Pakistan or Turkey lmao. Egypt vs Israel at this point is 50/50.

 

[Abid123]

They don't, otherwise North Korea for example would be far lower in that list.

I think such lists aren't an accurate representation of who's stronger, as some armies can be better optimized to fight a land invasion, while others are better optimized for a naval or an aerial one. Some are more defense-oriented and some are more attack-oriented, some are more mechanized while others are more dependent on aerial transports, and who can say what is one is better than the other? It all depends on the scenario and who's against who.

How would we fare against Turkey or Pakistan? Pakistan is pretty much irrelevant, they're too far away to fight in any significant manner (conventionally, god forbid a nuclear war).


Turkey is another story. First of all, if a war/skirmish would occur, I would count on Turkey initiating it and being the offensive one.

Ground combat is pretty much out of the question because we're too far away and entering deep into Syria would be a nightmare, for that reason any war would be pretty much undecisive (In terms of an existential threat, unless Israel chooses to go nuclear, which I don't believe we will)

I believe we have a major aerial offense and defense advantage. They have a naval advantage.
Israel will stick to its shores and any Turkish ship incoming would be first and foremost in danger due to Israeli jets and submarines. Israel will never send ships near Turkish coastlines because it would be a suicide as well.

Israel built its air defenses to fight off Iranian and Hezbollah ballistic and cruise missile capabilities, I believe it will be able to handle Turkish missile waves. I don't know if Turkey can do the same, Russian air defenses haven't proven themselves capable of completing their tasks (Israel still bombs Syria regularly, sometimes 5 kilometers away from S-400 and S-300 batteries, Israel and Turkey bombed over a dozen Pantsir missile systems, US cruise missile strikes etc)

Most of the war would be comprised of air skirmishes, Israeli F-35s would have a massive advantage due to its ambush capabilities, also Israeli pilots are the most experienced in the world.

Overall, pointless war with pointless casualties on both sides.

My definition of the strongest militaries are those who can project force and advance their interests on a global level. Only USA, Russia and China can fit this label. UK and France can also fit in this label but their militaries are to small to considered a "threat". Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and Israel cant be defined as such powers.

 

[Figaro]

There's a lot of difference between fighting palestinian school kids and fighting world's 4th largest military.
How many times have israel picked a fight with nuclear power much less a country of almost 1.5 billion people.

Israel is definitely not a pushover at all. Individually, the IDF may even be superior to the US Army in some aspects, let alone Russia or China. Of course overall Pakistan would significantly overpower Israel but even then, there is no need to underestimate them.

 

[Khanate]

You can claim false victories all you want.

In the end I live in a safe, economically successful country, while Lebanon is, well, Lebanon.
Israeli soldiers were tactically superior at every encounter. Israeli government was stupid back then, decided to enter Lebanon without a pre-plannings, and decided to get out before the army could finish their job.

Today its a different story, Israeli army is optimized for Hezbollah. Next war would be the end of Iranian sponsored terrorism.

Seems I touched a raw nerve.

I've reiterated what neutral observers have said and what is widely accepted so nothing here is my "claim". Even the staunchest of Israel ally, G. W. Bush, called 2006 war a case of "shaky [Israeli] military performance". These aren't my words and this was said despite Hezbollah being, well, Hezbollah.

What I find ironic in your post is you readily admit stupidity and lack of pre-planning impacted 2006 war but can't bring yourself to see how Hezbollah benefited from it.

Next war would be the end of Iranian sponsored terrorism.

I have pointed out Iran's bad behaviour many a times on this forum but even I can you Iran isn't going to stop after it has gained so much ground in Middle East. No war can end Iran's influence, only a generational shift can reverse the gains.

Pakistan always had a reactionary than a pre emptive mindset. We wait until India hits us with stikes or we wait until some terrorist groups launches border strikes via afghanistan.

Always? I wonder why Indians claim Pakistan started every war by crossing the LoC into Indian-occupied Kashmir. Zia did the same when he started training and arming the Mujahideen without the US involvement to counter the Soviets.

Now what do you suggest, should we bomb schools, weddings and funerals like US has done in Afghanistan?

 

[Beny Karachun]

Seems I touched a raw nerve.

I've reiterated what neutral observers have said and what is widely accepted so nothing here is my "claim". Even the staunchest of Israel ally, G. W. Bush, called 2006 war a case of "shaky [Israeli] military performance". These aren't my words and this was said despite Hezbollah being, well, Hezbollah.

What I find ironic in your post is you readily admit stupidity and lack of pre-planning impacted 2006 war but can't bring yourself to see how Hezbollah benefited from it.

As I said, claim your false victories.
Quoting people doesn't change anything.

My definition of the strongest militaries are those who can project force and advance their interests on a global level. Only USA, Russia and China can fit this label. UK and France can also fit in this label but their militaries are to small to considered a "threat". Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and Israel cant be defined as such powers.

Israel advances its interests on a global level, hell, look who's the most vaccinated country for COVID-19.
And if we're talking about interests, I don't believe Russia can fit this label.
However, I never tried to compare our military to those countries.

Atleast Israel goes into its neighbors destroys its enemys and got out. Sure nothing is perfect Israel might have lost a few soldiers in the past and in future might lose a few hundred but what would be left of hezbollah/lebanon?

This is what people don't get. The only reason Israel didn't destroy Hezbollah, and Lebanon as a whole is that our government chose to stop midfight. Next war will be different, the war would be against Lebanon, not just Hezbollah.

 

[KaiserX]

Seems I touched a raw nerve.

I've reiterated what neutral observers have said and what is widely accepted so nothing here is my "claim". Even the staunchest of Israel ally, G. W. Bush, called 2006 war a case of "shaky [Israeli] military performance". These aren't my words and this was said despite Hezbollah being, well, Hezbollah.

What I find ironic in your post is you readily admit stupidity and lack of pre-planning impacted 2006 war but can't bring yourself to see how Hezbollah benefited from it.




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I have pointed out Iran's bad behaviour many a times on this forum but even I can you Iran isn't going to stop after it has gained so much ground in Middle East. No war can end Iran's influence, only a generational shift can reverse the gains.



Always? I wonder why Indians claim Pakistan started every war by crossing the LoC into Indian-occupied Kashmir. Zia did the same when he started training and arming the Mujahideen without the US involvement to counter the Soviets.

Now what do you suggest, should we bomb schools, weddings and funerals like US has done in Afghanistan?

Indian claims are sheer lies. In 1965 Pakistan was in a good situation. China even adviced us that if we did a full peoples war then we could destroy india. Instead we took a piecemeal approach to the whole conflict. Since 1947 we have always been on the defensive:

1947- India invade Kashmir and take sri nagar. We dont react until they are already dropping troops
1965- India was weak and had a weaker Airforce than Pakistan. Pakistan should have mobilized 1-2 million people and did a full scale invasion. Instead this opportunity was missed.
1971- Speaks for itself. We had intelligence for a year India would attack yet did not do shit until it was imminent using 10 freaking jets to pre-empt them in the east. We did not mobilize local militias until a few months before the conflict. In a years time we could have trained a 1 million man militia against india in East pakistan instead we lost the conflict surrendering to Makenshaw in Dhaka without even a fight.
1980- We dont do crap until the Soviet invade Afghanistan
1999- We dont use our airforce or most of our armed forces
2008-2017: Constant daily terror attack, we dont take action in waziristan until Raheel shariff
2019- We hit India after their failed air strike on balakot

In every single case our policy has been reactionary