Give Pakistan drones to target terrorists: Musharraf

[Fracker]

Why the US has not used it's drones against the TTP more than a few times, I don't know.

I think you are forgetting the situation, where pressure was building on US, who attack those who had peace deal with PA, but not TTP or BM, while ISI was telling the BM's location frequently to CIA.. and then the 1st attack happen on TTP, which was intended on TTP, but yet BM run away.. and then ISI given last chance to CIA to kill BM, otherwise they threaten to make everything political.. and then BM reach his fate.. but before this whole scenario, US was protecting TTP as their child.. TTP was using USA Weapons, US manage to put blame on Northern Alleince corrupt government.

Any how, It is the fact that Indian support for TTP, many afghan arrested in Swat which belong to RAMA, and everyone knows who created RAMA. I still remember the words from ISI officer whose unit was fighting in swat i.e. "USA is playing double game, helping TTP and telling us to attack them"

 

[PakShaheen79]

Any how, It is the fact that Indian support for TTP, many afghan arrested in Swat which belong to RAMA, and everyone knows who created RAMA. I still remember the words from ISI officer whose unit was fighting in swat i.e. "USA is playing double game, helping TTP and telling us to attack them"

This is no secret. Yar if we apply simple common sense this whole attack on Afghanistan does not make sense even if OBL attack USA. It could have much easier for CIA to hunt down OBL by using money, SDA activists along with some Green Brets etc. and going all covertly but question is would a dead OBL serve US interests in Asia? I think "NO"... So even if OBL was suffering kidney infection in 1998 CIA will keep him alive till eternity to stay in Afghanistan.

 

[IndianSuperpower]

This is no secret. Yar if we apply simple common sense this whole attack on Afghanistan does not make sense even if OBL attack USA. It could have much easier for CIA to hunt down OBL by using money, SDA activists along with some Green Brets etc. and going all covertly but question is would a dead OBL serve US interests in Asia? I think "NO"... So even if OBL was suffering kidney infection in 1998 CIA will keep him alive till eternity to stay in Afghanistan.

I dont have idea what are American interests in Afghanistan apart from having a better look into middle east. But they already have bases their and then they have Israel.... If it was not OBL then why did actually Americans attacked.... Iraq does have oil but what about Afghanistan?

 

[Thomas]

I dont have idea what are American interests in Afghanistan apart from having a better look into middle east. But they already have bases their and then they have Israel.... If it was not OBL then why did actually Americans attacked.... Iraq does have oil but what about Afghanistan?

actually the U.S. only buys a small amount of Iraqi oil. the vast lion share goes to Europe and Asia. India oil corp was by far the largest single customer in 2008. The Chinese and British are also huge customers.

Back to drones though. Doesn't Pakistan now build their own? seems to me I saw a article that they did somewhere.

 

[IceCold]

Why do we keep whining about give us this give us that its embarrassing. Something we need to understand is that US is not going to sell us predator no matter what happens. It wants to keep something in its control which it could use whenever and wherever it wishes. Ofcourse after providing Pakistan with this technology, they think it will be like shoot themselves in the foot because then they will not be able to attack as per their wishes and if they do they wont be able to justify like they do it now.

 

[Spring Onion]

Back to drones though. Doesn't Pakistan now build their own? seems to me I saw a article that they did somewhere.

yeh there is such development but that is not new. Those are the ones which US posses.

 

[TruthSeeker]

I think you are forgetting the situation, where pressure was building on US, who attack those who had peace deal with PA, but not TTP or BM, while ISI was telling the BM's location frequently to CIA.. and then the 1st attack happen on TTP, which was intended on TTP, but yet BM run away.. and then ISI given last chance to CIA to kill BM, otherwise they threaten to make everything political.. and then BM reach his fate.. but before this whole scenario, US was protecting TTP as their child.. TTP was using USA Weapons, US manage to put blame on Northern Alleince corrupt government.

Fracker, I don't doubt that you believe all that you have written above. But just because YOU believe it does not make it true. NONE of what you say can be proven by anyone here on this Forum as being true. The people who really know the facts about drone targeting, the CIA people and the ISI people, are not briefing anything to the public. When either of them chooses to leak something to the press, one can never know if the leak is the truth or misinformation for PR manipulation. Common sense says that the USA does NOT want the TTP to be successful against the Pakistani State. Please use common sense. Please don't buy into pernicious jihadi propaganda.

 

[Fracker]

I don't doubt that you believe all that you have written above. But just because YOU believe it does not make it true.

What you are denying that USA didn't attack TTP prior to pakistani pressure? ok can you show me any pre-pakistani pressure attack on TTP i.e. March 2009 . Also, when pakistani officials arrested Abdullah Masoud and send him to USA, why they release him, and deported to Pakistani.. similarly, BM... and what you say about RAW involvement in financing BM? btw i don't believe anything blindly.. i have my own sources.. as i already mention above.. And obviously ISI can't be a jihad who is actually fighting against TTP, can be?

Common sense says that the USA does NOT want the TTP to be successful against the Pakistani State. Please use common sense. Please don't buy into pernicious jihadi propaganda.

ohh great so you are now coming to common sense, let start using common sense....

1. some saudis attacked world trade centre, and even manage to reach Pentagon, the world superpower's head quater.. and who done that... the illiterate people from stonage..
2. ok saudis attack, but why attack on afghanistan? use common sense!!
3. Any attack in pakistan, prior to this, how come TTP Emerges from nowhere?
4. BM and AB both were arrested, and were in USA prior to Afghanistan attack.. then they deported back to pakistan.. (while 100s of innocent pakistanis are still suffering in Guantanamo, but these two guyz released) USE COMMON SENSE NOW...
5. Just after BM reaches pakistani, suicide attacks started throughout the country.. use it now man!!
6. When USA accuse pakistan that Taliban crosses boarder, and pakistani officials offer to fence whole boarder, why USA and Northern Alliance went against it? Use it now...
7. Pakistan was USA Alley in war on terror, yet USA offer permission to india not pakistan to work in Afghanistan, and they created consulates closed to pakistan boarders.. use it now...
8. prior to March 2009, use done around 150+ drone+missile attack in the region where pakistan had peace deal, but not on BM or Fazullulah .. who were continuous threat for pakistan.. use it now..
9. Just after qari said on media that he has proof of USA is financing TTP, he got killed and an attack doess happen on TTP, where BM left because of some anonymous call. Use it now...
10. after attack happen CIA themselves also not sure that BM is get killed and deny the death of BM, but pakistani officials clearly back this line that BM is dead in drone attack... use it now..

come on use common sense...

 

[Fracker]

I dont have idea what are American interests in Afghanistan apart from having a better look into middle east. But they already have bases their and then they have Israel.... If it was not OBL then why did actually Americans attacked.... Iraq does have oil but what about Afghanistan?

To me, it was like this region was going into control of Pakistan and China. And Pakistan was emerging as a power equal to india.. they came to this region to remove china influence, watch on USSR, and make sure a "Muslim" country don't reach to a level.. where they could be a challenge to USA or their child israel.. we all know what happened after pakistani nuclear tests..

Taliban already did offer trail on OBL, in any Islamic country including Pakistan which was USA alley. but yet attack on afghanistan, so obviously OBL wasn't the reason to attack.. he was just an excuse to attack

 

[iPhone]

How BM got what he deserved is a different story, i have been told what in reality happened but can't disclose full details. If US can't help PA in targeting the people who are killing its soldiers then i think US or NATO should not expect miracles from us too, nor keep saying do more & do more. ISI & PA on many times had given very accurate information to US for launching of air strikes on some major TTP commanders while the drones where near by but alas americans did not. That was the reason PA & ISI got frustrated with US, as they don't give us the technology nor they attack themselves, so what will you make of it ?? Plus, one of my cousins in an intelligence agency was narrating me an incident that how they had provided coordinates for a strike to US as one major TTP commander was in that house, & he said that to our amazement just after 10 minutes some foreigner
guys came out of the house & sped away in the awaiting cars & that TTP commander also left in a hurry, & who those foreigners were won't be told as i know the reaction, similarly so many other incidents
have happened that clearly show who is protecting TTP & how money & weapons are getting in their hands. They have latest satellite phone, frequency hoping radios, even american origin NVGs have been recovered from them, american weapons, latest sniper rifles, communication equipment advanced enough that they can hear the army chatter and sometimes come to know about the army plans.
Its ironic, when taliban attack american troops or NATO troops inside Afghanistan shouldn't we say its america's internal affair as they
invaded a country why ask us to do more ?? If TTP is our internal affair, getting equipment & funding from Afghanistan & US doing nothing about it, so why US asking us to attack the taliban here in Pakistan when the taliban attack americans in Afghanistan, so shouldn't it be US-Afghanistan Internal affair ??
So dear Sir, we here sitting in pakistan have a very good knowledge & understanding that what is happening & who is doing what. If US can't control the growing Indian influence in Afghanistan, who are supporting such groups in Pakistan to create trouble, i think we also then have the right to do what is best for Pakistan, even if we have to support the real Taliban ?? Don't you think you or your country would have done the same if you guys had been in our shoes & the sovereignty of your country had been at stake ??

very intriguing, indeed. Alot of it makes alot of sense. Now if you can please answer a question or two of mine that have came to my mind in light of what you have said. First, what do you think could be the possible reason or reasons behind CIA supporting BM/TTP. There has to something more than just destabilization of Pakistan. Could it be that CIA/America was growing frustraded of Pakistan Army/ISI supporting Afghan Talibans, providing them safe havens in Pak, so to pressurize Pak TTP is given birth and BM it's leader becomes a CIA asset? Second, you said on numerous occassions immaculate information was given by Pakistani intel to CIA about the location of BM but to their surprise not only no action was taken but on one occassion some foreign men were seen leaving the targeted house few minuites later (Indians probably?). Why couldn't the intel be given to PAF with coordinates to take out the target using a fighter Jet? Are there some technical or technological constraints or maybe because ISI wanted CIA to take out BM so to convay a message to TTP and the person succeeding BM that you're all expandable under CIA? Thank you!

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Its iteresting to note that every released Guantanamo detainee ends up in Pakistan joining TTP, none of 'em seems to have joined the afghan Taliban, strange isn't it...
Let me show u what i ve found in a Swedish newspaper

'Guantánamo Swede' arrested in Pakistan

in picture"One of the three Swedish nationals arrested nearly two weeks ago in Pakistan is Mehdi Ghezali, a former terror suspect who was released from the United States’ Guantánamo Bay prison in 2004."

According to Sveriges Television (SVT), it was Ghezali, along with two other Swedes and several other foreigners, who was arrested by police in Pakistan on suspicions the group had ties with the Al-Qaeda terrorist network.

“We confiscated a laptop and $10,000 they had with them,” said a spokesperson for the Pakistani military, according to the Expressen newspaper.

The arrests took place at a checkpoint in Dera Ghazi Khan in Punjab province, when the group was reportedly on its way to southern Waziristan, a stronghold for the Taliban in Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan.

The now 30-year-old Ghezali, a resident of Örebro in central Sweden, was arrested in December 2001 and put in custody of the US military shortly after the start of the campaign in Afghanistan.

He spent more than two years in a prison for terror suspects set up by the American military on its base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

Ghezali, dubbed in the Swedish media as the "Guantánamo Swede", was never put on trial nor was he told why he had been detained. He was released from the prison in July 2004, whereupon he returned to Sweden.

New reports that Ghezali has again been arrested in Pakistan on terror suspicions came as a surprise to his attorney, Anton Strand.

“Yes, I’m surprised by it. One should remember that Ghezali has traveled in that region previously and he has an interest in the region. He is religious and has friends and contacts,” Strand told Expressen.

Gösta Hultén, the Swedish journalist who wrote a book detailing Ghezali’s story, told the Aftonbladet newspaper that Ghezali’s father believes his son is on a pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia and called home from there a few days ago.

“The father is very upset about the allegations that Mehdi has ties to Al-Qaeda. He has already been cleared from those suspicions once,” said Hultén.

Sweden’s foreign ministry in Stockholm refused to comment on the information, although spokesperson for the Swedish embassy in Islamabad told SVT that they have yet to receive any confirmation from authorities in Pakistan that Swedes have been arrested.

'Guantánamo Swede' arrested in Pakistan - The Local

 

[Thomas]

Why have USA used drones in Pakistan and not so much in Iraq and Afghanistan?

they do for surveillance. as using them for strike missions they have no need to. Since they can openly use regular aircraft. they have combat air patrols in the air at all times waiting for targets.

 

[TruthSeeker]

ohh great so you are now coming to common sense, let start using common sense....

Fracker,

For some people it takes longer to develop the faculty of critical and rational thinking than for others. Sorry, man.

 

[PakShaheen79]

Its iteresting to note that every released Guantanamo detainee ends up in Pakistan joining TTP, none of 'em seems to have joined the afghan Taliban, strange isn't it...
Let me show u what i ve found in a Swedish newspaper

'Guantánamo Swede' arrested in Pakistan

in picture"One of the three Swedish nationals arrested nearly two weeks ago in Pakistan is Mehdi Ghezali, a former terror suspect who was released from the United States’ Guantánamo Bay prison in 2004."

According to Sveriges Television (SVT), it was Ghezali, along with two other Swedes and several other foreigners, who was arrested by police in Pakistan on suspicions the group had ties with the Al-Qaeda terrorist network.

“We confiscated a laptop and $10,000 they had with them,” said a spokesperson for the Pakistani military, according to the Expressen newspaper.

The arrests took place at a checkpoint in Dera Ghazi Khan in Punjab province, when the group was reportedly on its way to southern Waziristan, a stronghold for the Taliban in Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan.

The now 30-year-old Ghezali, a resident of Örebro in central Sweden, was arrested in December 2001 and put in custody of the US military shortly after the start of the campaign in Afghanistan.

He spent more than two years in a prison for terror suspects set up by the American military on its base in Guantánamo Bay, Cuba.

Ghezali, dubbed in the Swedish media as the "Guantánamo Swede", was never put on trial nor was he told why he had been detained. He was released from the prison in July 2004, whereupon he returned to Sweden.

New reports that Ghezali has again been arrested in Pakistan on terror suspicions came as a surprise to his attorney, Anton Strand.

“Yes, I’m surprised by it. One should remember that Ghezali has traveled in that region previously and he has an interest in the region. He is religious and has friends and contacts,” Strand told Expressen.

Gösta Hultén, the Swedish journalist who wrote a book detailing Ghezali’s story, told the Aftonbladet newspaper that Ghezali’s father believes his son is on a pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia and called home from there a few days ago.

“The father is very upset about the allegations that Mehdi has ties to Al-Qaeda. He has already been cleared from those suspicions once,” said Hultén.

Sweden’s foreign ministry in Stockholm refused to comment on the information, although spokesperson for the Swedish embassy in Islamabad told SVT that they have yet to receive any confirmation from authorities in Pakistan that Swedes have been arrested.

'Guantánamo Swede' arrested in Pakistan - The Local

Thanks for sharing and this reminds me Abdullah Mehsud story who was released by Guntanamo Bay just to form TTP and first thing he did after he return was to kidnap two Chinese engineers one of them was expired (unfortunately) in SSG operation to rescue them.
Only problem we have is our so called FREE MEDIA will never highlight this issue why every one released from Gunatanamo is ending in Pakistan to join hand with TTP.

 

[MilesTogo]

they do for surveillance. as using them for strike missions they have no need to. Since they can openly use regular aircraft. they have combat air patrols in the air at all times waiting for targets.

Then why does Pakistan need drones. Can't they use regular aircraft?