Gilani walks off triumphant in contempt case!

[BATMAN]

Gilani and his family is bunch of lowly thieves and i can tell you this for certain.

Just ask them to produce their passports and details of their foreign tours, expensive cars and expenses and they'll have not answer.

 

[Yeti]

contempt of court is a serious charge

I don't know much about Pakistani politics but who really calls the shots him or Zardari? this is all too complicated for me i can't understand what is going on.

 

[Meengla]

@Abou,
You really disrespect the people of Pakistan when you or others like you say that 'NRO' or the 'judiciary' brought PPP to power. PPP has been the largest political party of Pakistan in either the votes or the number of seats since 1970 elections. A few PPP NRO beneficiaries in a sea of 8000-NRO beneficiaries don't matter. Let's be clear about it. It is the people of Pakistan which elected PPP and the President.
Secondly, I have a big problem with this judiciary in its selective focus of cases. I have seen plenty of evidence to confirm that. And now, when the Senate elections in Pakistan will give PPP a simple majority, the Establishment (yes, I use 'Establishment' very carefully) is out to topple another govt. If you are so focused on the two-year NRO case (which, comically, is being lumped with the so-called Memogate) then I can take you back to Asghar Khan's Mehran Gate Case from 1996.

Let this govt. die in ignonimity that it deserved because of incompetence. But the selective use of justice, the cherry-picking of cases, the fear of a PPP Senate majority are not good foundation to bring down another PPP govt.

 

[Meengla]

Meengla - why is the PPP holding the court orders in contempt?

And why are the judges blind to other cases--much older ones--where non-PPP is targeted? The judges have really taken up more than 'interpreting' the Constitution. They seem to make the Constitution as they go.

PPP is not innocent--not by a long shot--but these judges are hellbent on bringing down another govt to ensure that PPP does not get a majority in the Senate. THAT'S the bottomline.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

PPP is not innocent--not by a long shot--but these judges are hellbent on bringing down another govt to ensure that PPP does not get a majority in the Senate. THAT'S the bottomline.

But your argument then essentially boils down to, 'let the civilian politicians do whatever they want, because if anyone tries to hold them accountable before their term ends, they will become political martyrs ...'

Unfortunately our 'anti-Establishment media and commentators' have a significant share of the blame in allowing these people to become 'political martyrs' - there should have been no question about the GoP implementing the SC orders, and in deliberately refusing to do so, paying a price such as disqualification. This very SC is comprised of judges that refused to tow the 'Establishment line' when Musharraf tried to force them to do so - and I have to admit that I was, at that time, condemning and criticizing these very judges for similar reasons to yours'.

We cannot build a democratic system with checks and balances if we insist on starting off by undermining the institution that is perhaps the one of the most important when it comes to 'checking and balancing potentially unbridled abuse of government power' - the judiciary.

Again, the SC is not condemning the entire government nor is it threatening to disqualify the entire government - there are only three individuals under the gun here - Zardari, Gillani and the law minister. This is a problem of dynastic politicians fighting to retain control of their fiefdoms, and not a problem of a 'military-judicial coup'.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

@Abou,
You really disrespect the people of Pakistan when you or others like you say that 'NRO' or the 'judiciary' brought PPP to power. PPP has been the largest political party of Pakistan in either the votes or the number of seats since 1970 elections. A few PPP NRO beneficiaries in a sea of 8000-NRO beneficiaries don't matter. Let's be clear about it. It is the people of Pakistan which elected PPP and the President.
Secondly, I have a big problem with this judiciary in its selective focus of cases. I have seen plenty of evidence to confirm that. And now, when the Senate elections in Pakistan will give PPP a simple majority, the Establishment (yes, I use 'Establishment' very carefully) is out to topple another govt. If you are so focused on the two-year NRO case (which, comically, is being lumped with the so-called Memogate) then I can take you back to Asghar Khan's Mehran Gate Case from 1996.

Let this govt. die in ignonimity that it deserved because of incompetence. But the selective use of justice, the cherry-picking of cases, the fear of a PPP Senate majority are not good foundation to bring down another PPP govt.

im not disputing 2008 elections (who am I to do that?)

i simply stated something that can not be denied; they are in contempt of court.


as for NRO -- well I am not exactly its backer either, to be honest.



NRO is bad example for our youth, our children.

 

[Edevelop]

Earlier few months ago, there was news that his wife and some of his kids went to London England and did a 800,000 pounds (currency) of casual shopping at Harrods. boy, if you convert this money into rupees, that is a lot!!. I wonder from where Mr. Gilani gets this much money from..
.
I remember when Angleina Jolie came to Pakistan, him and his wife were dressed like billionairs. In return jolie said that you should feel ashamed of yourselves because your people dying everyday and you are not doing anything.

Clearly, these politicians are showoffs. In fact, i'm going to say that every person in Pakistan is a showoff. people like importing things from the west. moreover, they like to stick their cell phones on a table in front of a third person. For god's sake why can't they just keep it in their pockets? As long as materialism is there, i'm afraid there could be no solution to Pakistan's problems. 2 people of the same ethnics always like to do leg pulling. There is no peace. What can SC possibly do. Who will the go after and not go after?

Even communism will do no better against our people. The same local poor or middle class are 'materialistic' and in my opinion once they become prime minster or president, they will be no different from the corrupt class.

Speaking 'honest' is never really the question to keep in mind. At the end of the day, every damn person is the same.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

And why are the judges blind to other cases--much older ones--where non-PPP is targeted?

That is a flawed argument - the legal validity of the SC's position on this particular case cannot be undermined by a perceived flawed verdict on other cases. This case should be discussed on the legal and constitutional merits of THIS CASE alone. The SC can be criticized for its action or inaction on other issues that have been brought before it separately.

The judges have really taken up more than 'interpreting' the Constitution. They seem to make the Constitution as they go.

What part of the constitution have the judges 'made up' in this particular case on the NRO being unconstitutional?

PPP is not innocent--not by a long shot--but these judges are hellbent on bringing down another govt to ensure that PPP does not get a majority in the Senate. THAT'S the bottomline.

Completely WRONG!


Nothing is stopping the PPP from winning a majority in the senate - as I pointed out, the SC order is only against Zardari, Gillani and the law minister. These individuals can resign or be disqualified, and the PPP coalition can elect new leadership and continue to govern and win a majority in the Senate elections.

The only losers here are the POLITICAL DYNASTIES, and your criticizm, while well intentioned, is only serving to defend dynastic politics it is not a defence of democracy or the PPP.

 

[livingdead]

I thought he is an honest man, somebody who can be relied on, unlike musharaf.
Also I dont like the tone of the bench, too confrontational.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

wow...Angelina Jolie (a millionaire herself who went to flood areas in simple dupatta/etc.) telling off our politicos


God, i wish it were on video.





well in fairness to PPP's members - well some of them are rich through legitmate means. We shouldnt assume it's all state money they are using. But still, little or big -- the corruption is endemic


I had dinner not long ago with one Ehtisham Ahmed....boy oh boy, i wish i had a record of all the things he said about the deeply ingrained corruption. This aint boy who cried wolf; even state department people (who are pro PPP, pro democracy etc. etc.) will tell you straight up about their experiences and dealings with these people

 

[truthseer]

I thought he is an honest man, somebody who can be relied on, unlike musharaf.
Also I dont like the tone of the bench, too confrontational.

If you really thought that of Gilani, don't get into business deals with people. They'll rob you dry

 

[All-Green]

The reason why NRO has to be (and is being) dealt with before any other pending cases is not because it is against PPP.
The NRO is a complete mockery of justice in its primary form, whether we go by any man made constitution upholding justice and fair play or the very strict directives of Allah regarding Justice and equality.

The elites of the society have been forgiven their grave sins in the name of reconciliation.
The billions of rupees looted by these people from a poor country are supposed to not matter anymore and they were made unaccountable in the name of political reconciliation.

If people agree that this is an establishment backed judiciary and it should not focus on NRO, then please let us not stop NRO at level of Benazir and Zardari/Gillani only...let us implement NRO all across Pakistan...
By extension all the cases in the courts against all citizens should be closed in the name of reconciliation!!!
Please let everyone go and close the judiciary forever, because if the Supreme court cannot even challenge NRO which completely negates the very essence of justice...believe me we do not need courts at all.

Let us all get along and not convict people of any crimes...in the spirit of reconciliation.
That way we can say we are a crime free society and actually offer therapy to the demented and insane criminals by accepting them with open arms and not calling crime a crime anymore.

This is what NRO stands for actually in my mind and there is no way i shall call PPP a martyr.

It should not take a genius to figure out that the issue with NRO is the clear clash with the basis of what is known as justice and fair play.
It is the ultimate hypocrisy to forgive the grave sins of the elites at the cost of the ordinary citizens who shall have to bear with a morally corrupt and nonpunishable elitist leadership which is endorsed by judiciary if the judiciary does not revoke NRO.

I am 100% in agreement with SC verdict and by the way they have given multiple options which offer flexibility to ensure that PPP continues its tenure...this was the maturity which SC should have shown in order to ensure that PPP is not made a martyr.
However it seems that the dynastic nature of PPP will not allow this party to embrace democracy in complying with SC orders which are absolutely correct and in spirit of justice.

Please remember that NRO is not a small case against PPP but is an extremely controversial ordinance which contradicts the guiding principles of justice and equality.

 

[TechMan]

Finally I have found a die hard PPP jiyala in the form of Meengla on internet. I have always wondered why I never see jiyalas online when PPP has so much support and how can they defend corruption, greed and theft by their government.

Meengla you are talking like a typical PPP politician that we see daily on TV. When someone asks about corruption their usual response is "this is a democratic government......people have given power to us......we are the elected representatives" bla bla bla like you said. My dear it doesn't matter if this government or Zardari came into power through votes of all Pakistanis because it doesn't give them license to corruption. Hell if all the people of this world or all the people in all the worlds of this universe votes for PPP and they do some corruption then law is bound to take action. Just because people voted you doesn't mean you can do anything you want.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Hello; im hearing about dear Honourable Prime Minister of Pakistan's letter to The People’s Daily Online of China an editorial rather..


can someone please help me find the bloody article....

 

[Emmie]

Hello; im hearing about dear Honourable Prime Minister of Pakistan's letter to The People’s Daily Online of China an editorial rather..


can someone please help me find the bloody article....

I doubt that interview even got printed... PTV broke the entire story very same day of interview.