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GHQ, IK and Qadri

that is very senseless to predict the versions and 20 words on all 3... what is absolute is that GHQ will not take over or derail or put martial law as the Country is not much of power to curtail it.. but they will firmly support any of the force who are un biased, Sincere, ethical, Religious(not of secular mentality) , Brave leader to lead from the front (not like hijack a plane and then bullet proof Governor's and Media protocol for safe passage)... well both #IK and #TUQ having the combo of it... as one have brave or conducive/active leadership , and another have religious back ground as IK is having secular/liberal thought,,, as for now onward we have to take due and very hard decision to safe our nation and our identity as Muslim Nation or Muslim trans-guarding Nation for other part of Muslim World... for that , we should require a firm and brave decision maker like Gen Raheel Shareef or some way IK... but should have to amulgumizing the structure to bring out the Best structure that can work on Muslim or Pakistan type country....
 
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GHQ is busy collecting $$ from USA for fighting war !

haramkhor generals... I say that to pmln all the time, lets see, what happens when someone reports?
Dear Sir with all due respects IKs stance has been not in the favour of uniting the nation by aligning with the various political forces rather creating chaos among the people. And to my beliefs the same will happen to IK what is happening to you on this very forum, PTI better behave itself and you keep your mouth shut!
 
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that is very senseless to predict the versions and 20 words on all 3... what is absolute is that GHQ will not take over or derail or put martial law as the Country is not much of power to curtail it.. but they will firmly support any of the force who are un biased, Sincere, ethical, Religious(not of secular mentality) , Brave leader to lead from the front (not like hijack a plane and then bullet proof Governor's and Media protocol for safe passage)... well both #IK and #TUQ having the combo of it... as one have brave or conducive/active leadership , and another have religious back ground as IK is having secular/liberal thought,,, as for now onward we have to take due and very hard decision to safe our nation and our identity as Muslim Nation or Muslim trans-guarding Nation for other part of Muslim World... for that , we should require a firm and brave decision maker like Gen Raheel Shareef or some way IK... but should have to amulgumizing the structure to bring out the Best structure that can work on Muslim or Pakistan type country....
One of the most sensible post made till now.
The basic fight is between Mr.Khan's stance with political establishment,and this is the point which should be resolved.
Mr.Khan must understand the demand of situation and support the operation which has to be done earlier ,but delayed by Gen(r) Kiyani on basis of various powerful reasons.
We always knew that we have to face TTP one day on ground,no matter how much we try to avoid.So,instead of collapsing our strategies, we must align them as one and work for IDPs.
Regards
 
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What do the generals really want? The generals have little or no interest in derailing democracy but they would not let democracy derail the state either. Pak Army is in a state of war – the longest and the bloodiest war that Pak Army has ever fought.

Pak Army is on war the nation is on war with lost of 50000 thousands lives including Army and other agencies, IK and NS mis guide the entire nation to name this war is an American war and enemies are our brothers. What Kiyani didn't did Raheel Shareef is doing now it's late but this is the only option left to finish the enemy from deep routes.

What do the generals really want? The generals have little or no interest in derailing democracy but they would not let democracy derail the state either.
 
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There is no doubt in my mind that Qadri is being sponsored by GHQ that much was very obvious from the begining. For example during last elections Qadri gave the call of boycotting the elections (which was a spectatcular failure as the largest number of voters cameout to vote in Pakistan's history), that stunt was done to keep 'any' elected government from becoming too confident because its legitimacy could be challeneged any time. This strategy of-course failed because nation has been rejecting TuQ for 30 years now but Qadri is too small a fish to think that big - this move has GHQ written all over it. Interestingly PTI is trying to pull the same stunt, like Qadri it is desperately trying to de-legitimize the government. The same rhetoric of Qadri like 'its not a true democracy' 'revolution of change' is being used by top PTI leadership. This indicates that PTI (or atleast some of the powerful groups with PTI) have also been assured from powers that be that it can benefit from controlled chaos.

We should also be mindful that the target of all these thugs Qadri, IK and Pervaiz Ilahi is Lahore. The rallies, dharnas and agitations are all primarily focused on Punjab specifically Lahore as it is considered to be a stronghold of PMLN. Many GHQ sponsored analysts in media were very vocal after Musharraf's ouster that no party in Pakistan can gain simple majority in Parliament without coalition - this alone would make elected governments more dependent on GHQ forcing them to be more docile and sensetive to kahkis never ending demands. PMLN proved that wrong by gaining simple majority on its own and challenging the mighty Khakis so the current scenario IMHO can be played out in following manner:

1- Either use TuQ and IK to bring about enough chaos that another illegal Martial Law is imposed. Khakis will never trust TuQ or IK that much is clear. TuQ is too much of a middle classisa and fraudster for Khaki taste, IK is too much of a loose canon. If these fools would only look at the history, Khakis have specific allies and they NEVER trust a political party enough to even consider making some poitical leader a PM. They want controlled dummies like Shaukat Aziz and Junejo. A coup will of-course increase the long term threat of PMLN which is the primary target.

2- Cut PMLN down to size by supporting other political parties in Punjab like TuQ and PTI. PTI has become too much of a nuisance, PPP is a party Khakis will never trust. TuQ at best is a topi drama who will only be useful until the next coup/ until Govt bows down to some other disater like strategic depth doctrine. TuQ is trying to market himself like the next Khomeni and this is something which will threaten Kahakis (Khomeni being an excellent politician asked his followers to present flowers to Irani Army jawans who later refused to listen to their officers (aka Revo-lu-Shun!!!! :lol:). TuQ is already asking the police to refuse the orders from top and stunts like these can make the 'controlled' chaos 'uncontrollable' at any given time, plus TuQ can play the same card on Army. The only party which Khakis can trust and which can put a dent in PMLN hold over Punjab is PMLQ and that has spectacularly failed post-Musharraf. For Punjab they need a coalition of political forces which can defeat PMLN (forces belonging to Punjab, PPP completed its five year tenure and keeping PMLN from completing their tenure will create far greater problems then 'controlled chaos' demands - job has to be done by Punjabi plitical forces)

Only way to understand Khaki politics is through their organizational aims. Sadly the long history of illegal coups in Pakistan have creatd a situation where continuation of democracy and strong political parties directly translate in reduction of khaki influence as an organization and vice versa. That is why in a country mired with illegal coups/ martial laws we have already started hearing the khaki philosphers muttering how mid-term elections are reflective of a 'mature' democracy. Eversince PPP and PMLN agreed to not involve Khakis any longer in their political battles khakis have been trying their best to create a coalton of rejects strong enough to challenge PPP/PMLN. There is no question that Qadri is a khaki tout but for some time now PTI is also suspiciaouly acting like one. Whether this is due to bonafide Khaki touts like SMQ in PTI or due to IK himself remains to be seen.

What do the generals really want? The generals have little or no interest in derailing democracy but they would not let democracy derail the state either. Pak Army is in a state of war – the longest and the bloodiest war that Pak Army has ever fought.

Pak Army is on war the nation is on war with lost of 50000 thousands lives including Army and other agencies, IK and NS mis guide the entire nation to name this war is an American war and enemies are our brothers. What Kiyani didn't did Raheel Shareef is doing now it's late but this is the only option left to finish the enemy from deep routes.

What do the generals really want? The generals have little or no interest in derailing democracy but they would not let democracy derail the state either.

Democracy derailing a state is pure BS. Do you even realize what that means or are you just going for some catchy sounding phrases? :lol:
 
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@Sedqal
In current situation the PTI and PMLN in the name of democracy trying to bring the state on a confusing point that negotiation with TTP is the best solution, Army did respect to their mandate and give a chance but too much late on an operation mean to put the state in danger
and to knowing it Army took the situation in its hands. This is what I meant to bring in my previous post.

What do the generals really want? The generals have little or no interest in derailing democracy but they would not let democracy derail the state.
 
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All these ugly duckling generals and their cronies want is to rule the country and take it for rides on $$$
the nation spits on them :sick:

If it was about $$$ in the first place then courts. anti-army portions of the media and anti-army political circles wouldn't have let go of the chance of bashing the military. If Geo can air DG ISI's image for an entire day on TV for no reason then anyone else can bash the generals too, and they would have certainly bashed the hell out of the brass if your points were true.

So that point about evil "jarnals" is false. No grounds for it.
 
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3- Of-course the most likely scenario is that TuQ/ IK alliance would be used to scare government into doing the Army's bidding without removing PMLN from power. Khakis know it good enough that only PMLN has the right credentials (successfully right-winger party) which can give legitimacy to current Army operation. PPPP can not be trusted because of its history and even then it has dominant left leaning which will give pro-Taliban segments the chance to paint this operation as a war against Islam. PMLN for all its shortcomings still succeeds in giving some semblance of rule of law which remains completely invisible during PPPP time. Rest of parties at the moment are all small timers and don't have enough public credibility to champion the khaki cause (operation).

The author's claim that PMLN is shooting itself in the foot should be understood with reference to the tug of war between parliament and GHQ. Shariff realizes that to curb GHQ's influence he needs to fix the issues which military uses as an excuse to intervene. A peaceful Pakistan will by default result in a less influential khaki presence. That is why he is personally making sure that all the problematic areas like Baluchistan and Waziristan are brought into mainstream of Pakistan politics (he even kept in touch with Sindhi nationalist groups). That is why he is persistently trying to woo India and thats the reason why he tried to engage Karzai through Achakzai (he realizes that Afghanistan will be another excuse). Military understands perfectly that Shariff if successful will make GHQ irrelevant to a large degree and that is their main complaint and what the author means by shooting themself in the foot. All would be kosher if PMLN like PPPP would keep itself limited to municipal matters of roads and sewerage treatment and let Khaki big boys deal with issues of foreign policies and military operations.

Lastly like any sane Pakistani my loyalty lies with Jinnah's democratic Pakistan. A Pakistan free of nutcase Mullahs and equally degenerated khaki dictatorial messiahs. This tug of war should be won by the parliament. Mr. Shariff more power to you :pakistan:
 
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There is no doubt in my mind that Qadri is being sponsored by GHQ that much was very obvious from the begining. For example during last elections Qadri gave the call of boycotting the elections (which was a spectatcular failure as the largest number of voters cameout to vote in Pakistan's history), that stunt was done to keep 'any' elected government from becoming too confident because its legitimacy could be challeneged any time. This strategy of-course failed because nation has been rejecting TuQ for 30 years now but Qadri is too small a fish to think that big - this move has GHQ written all over it. Interestingly PTI is trying to pull the same stunt, like Qadri it is desperately trying to de-legitimize the government. The same rhetoric of Qadri like 'its not a true democracy' 'revolution of change' is being used by top PTI leadership. This indicates that PTI (or atleast some of the powerful groups with PTI) have also been assured from powers that be that it can benefit from controlled chaos.

We should also be mindful that the target of all these thugs Qadri, IK and Pervaiz Ilahi is Lahore. The rallies, dharnas and agitations are all primarily focused on Punjab specifically Lahore as it is considered to be a stronghold of PMLN. Many GHQ sponsored analysts in media were very vocal after Musharraf's ouster that no party in Pakistan can gain simple majority in Parliament without coalition - this alone would make elected governments more dependent on GHQ forcing them to be more docile and sensetive to kahkis never ending demands. PMLN proved that wrong by gaining simple majority on its own and challenging the mighty Khakis so the current scenario IMHO can be played out in following manner:

1- Either use TuQ and IK to bring about enough chaos that another illegal Martial Law is imposed. Khakis will never trust TuQ or IK that much is clear. TuQ is too much of a middle classisa and fraudster for Khaki taste, IK is too much of a loose canon. If these fools would only look at the history, Khakis have specific allies and they NEVER trust a political party enough to even consider making some poitical leader a PM. They want controlled dummies like Shaukat Aziz and Junejo. A coup will of-course increase the long term threat of PMLN which is the primary target.

2- Cut PMLN down to size by supporting other political parties in Punjab like TuQ and PTI. PTI has become too much of a nuisance, PPP is a party Khakis will never trust. TuQ at best is a topi drama who will only be useful until the next coup/ until Govt bows down to some other disater like strategic depth doctrine. TuQ is trying to market himself like the next Khomeni and this is something which will threaten Kahakis (Khomeni being an excellent politician asked his followers to present flowers to Irani Army jawans who later refused to listen to their officers (aka Revo-lu-Shun!!!! :lol:). TuQ is already asking the police to refuse the orders from top and stunts like these can make the 'controlled' chaos 'uncontrollable' at any given time, plus TuQ can play the same card on Army. The only party which Khakis can trust and which can put a dent in PMLN hold over Punjab is PMLQ and that has spectacularly failed post-Musharraf. For Punjab they need a coalition of political forces which can defeat PMLN (forces belonging to Punjab, PPP completed its five year tenure and keeping PMLN from completing their tenure will create far greater problems then 'controlled chaos' demands - job has to be done by Punjabi plitical forces)

Only way to understand Khaki politics is through their organizational aims. Sadly the long history of illegal coups in Pakistan have creatd a situation where continuation of democracy and strong political parties directly translate in reduction of khaki influence as an organization and vice versa. That is why in a country mired with illegal coups/ martial laws we have already started hearing the khaki philosphers muttering how mid-term elections are reflective of a 'mature' democracy. Eversince PPP and PMLN agreed to not involve Khakis any longer in their political battles khakis have been trying their best to create a coalton of rejects strong enough to challenge PPP/PMLN. There is no question that Qadri is a khaki tout but for some time now PTI is also suspiciaouly acting like one. Whether this is due to bonafide Khaki touts like SMQ in PTI or due to IK himself remains to be seen.



Democracy derailing a state is pure BS. Do you even realize what that means or are you just going for some catchy sounding phrases? :lol:
No its nooracracy which is deralling the damocrazy in pakistan?
With thier army of AULLU BUTTS, if not be stopped then what ? To make aullu butt as new PM of pakistan?
The wriiten pice of colum , is another delicate try to, burn another candle light of poor , & fake damocrazy in pakistan, which is too late , anyway?
 
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3- Of-course the most likely scenario is that TuQ/ IK alliance would be used to scare government into doing the Army's bidding without removing PMLN from power. Khakis know it good enough that only PMLN has the right credentials (successfully right-winger party) which can give legitimacy to current Army operation. PPPP can not be trusted because of its history and even then it has dominant left leaning which will give pro-Taliban segments the chance to paint this operation as a war against Islam. PMLN for all its shortcomings still succeeds in giving some semblance of rule of law which remains completely invisible during PPPP time. Rest of parties at the moment are all small timers and don't have enough public credibility to champion the khaki cause (operation).

The author's claim that PMLN is shooting itself in the foot should be understood with reference to the tug of war between parliament and GHQ. Shariff realizes that to curb GHQ's influence he needs to fix the issues which military uses as an excuse to intervene. A peaceful Pakistan will by default result in a less influential khaki presence. That is why he is personally making sure that all the problematic areas like Baluchistan and Waziristan are brought into mainstream of Pakistan politics (he even kept in touch with Sindhi nationalist groups). That is why he is persistently trying to woo India and thats the reason why he tried to engage Karzai through Achakzai (he realizes that Afghanistan will be another excuse). Military understands perfectly that Shariff if successful will make GHQ irrelevant to a large degree and that is their main complaint and what the author means by shooting themself in the foot. All would be kosher if PMLN like PPPP would keep itself limited to municipal matters of roads and sewerage treatment and let Khaki big boys deal with issues of foreign policies and military operations.

Lastly like any sane Pakistani my loyalty lies with Jinnah's democratic Pakistan. A Pakistan free of nutcase Mullahs and equally degenerated khaki dictatorial messiahs. This tug of war should be won by the parliament. Mr. Shariff more power to you :pakistan:

Apki zehniat ki kya hi baat hai. Daad deni banti hai.

Poofty.
 
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Apki zehniat ki kya hi baat hai. Daad deni banti hai.

Poofty.

Spare me the one liners, you find something wrong with my opinion (<< read again OPINION) we can discuss it like adults :coffee:.

No its nooracracy which is deralling the damocrazy in pakistan?
With thier army of AULLU BUTTS, if not be stopped then what ? To make aullu butt as new PM of pakistan?
The wriiten pice of colum , is another delicate try to, burn another candle light of poor , & fake damocrazy in pakistan, which is too late , anyway?

Elected government Batman jee and its not going anywhere till 2018. Live with that, like they say democracy is the best revenge :lol:
 
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Spare me the one liners, you find something wrong with my opinion (<< read again OPINION) we can discuss it like adults :coffee:.



Elected government Batman jee and its not going anywhere till 2018. Live with that, like they say democracy is the best revenge :lol:

That;s the whole point your opinion turned into a deluded fact in that tin box reality you live in.

My one liners hold more water than your lectures :-)
 
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That;s the whole point your opinion turned into a deluded fact in that tin box reality you live in.

My one liners hold more water than your lectures :-)

Please spare us the lame one-liners and ad-hocs, since you have all the juicy 'inside information' pray tell in simple human readable English what you find so offensive in an 'opinion'. Of-course you can ignore me and keep on amusing yourself on the quantity of water your one-liners hold :lol:
 
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Please spare us the lame one-liners and ad-hocs, since you have all the juicy 'inside information' pray tell in simple human readable English what you find so offensive in an 'opinion'. Of-course you can ignore me and keep on amusing yourself on the quantity of water your one-liners hold :lol:

Jani Doce ka pani hai :D

Replied you elsewhere, rest assured i dont sit a million miles away and use silly emoticons to prove my point. The point is your opinion is cemented into some delusional fact in the doldrum of a reality. Were it an opinion i would have let it go just as i do to other idiots from all parties. You arent that special though you need special attention.
 
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OHH,,, see where the original topic is dragging.. @Sedqal please stick on to the topics...
we are discussing here the aftermaths of Operation, or even after 14 August IK jalsa...
as every one knows which of the party is made by whom, as lists can be provided and this Fancy mullas like fazlur rehman's JUI, Jamat e Islami would be on top of them,,, and so many other partied from Sindh, Karachi, Punjab or other parts of Pakistan...

so , please give your valuable comments on what will be happen in near future...
 
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