Germany unveils its new anti-terror cops

[Aero]

C.G. Haenel, the traditional manufacturer from Suhl, is now offering its own version of a semi-automatic rifle in the popular AR 15 standard. The Haenel CR223 in the .223 Rem. calibre [= NATO 5.56 x 45] is an indirect gas-pressure loader that is fully compatible with the basics of this class. For Key Account Manager Björn Dräger, the development is a step towards new rifle classes – at the same time the company is building on from old expertise. C.G. Haenel in Suhl developed the world’s first type 44 assault rifle in the 1940’s – a rifle that not only created this rifle class but also had a decisive influence on all subsequent constructions of the same type.

CALIBRE: .223 Rem.

BARREL LENGTH / TWIST:
16,5“ / 420mm – 9“
14,5“ / 368mm – 9“
12,5“ / 318mm – 9“
10“ / 254mm – 7“

STOCK: Modified M4 pusher-type stock

RIFLE LENGTH MAX/MIN:
16,5“ – 935mm/ 850mm
14,5“ – 883mm/ 798mm
12,5“ – 812mm / 748mm
10“ – 769mm/ 684mm

MUZZLE FLASH SUPPRESSOR: A2 standard

HAND PROTECTION: 4-side, Picatinny, can be removed without tool

PISTOL GRIP: A2 standard

SIGHTS: Mechanical folding sights

TRIGGER: Direct trigger, optionally match trigger

SAFETY: Trigger safety, 90°, can be operated on both sides, firing-pin safety

MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 20 rounds (limited to 10 rounds)

WEIGHT:
16,5“ – 3,6kg
14,5“ – 3,5kg
12,5“ – 3,4 kg
10“ – 3,35kg

http://www.cg-haenel.de/en/haenel-sport-und-sicherheit/cr223/semi-automatic-rifle-cr223/
http://www.cg-haenel.de/en/haenel-sport-und-sicherheit/cr223/technical-data/

I know about the specs but thanks anyways.
Actually i was wondering why they didn't go for Hk416/7 they would have been much better . Maybe their own requirements.

 

[Penguin]

I know about the specs but thanks anyways.
Actually i was wondering why they didn't go for Hk416/7 they would have been much better . Maybe their own requirements.

Perhaps police in Germany aren't supposed to be equipped with (full-auto) military gear. Will check.

 

[Penguin]

Haenel CR-223 Semi-automatic rifle

HK416

HK417

semi-automatic rifle in the popular AR 15 standard in the .223 Rem. calibre [= NATO 5.56 x 45] indirect gas-pressure loader

CALIBRE: .223 Rem.

BARREL LENGTH / TWIST:
16,5“ / 420mm – 9“
14,5“ / 368mm – 9“
12,5“ / 318mm – 9“
10“ / 254mm – 7“

STOCK: Modified M4 pusher-type stock

RIFLE LENGTH MAX/MIN:
16,5“ – 935mm/ 850mm
14,5“ – 883mm/ 798mm
12,5“ – 812mm / 748mm
10“ – 769mm/ 684mm

MUZZLE FLASH SUPPRESSOR: A2 standard

HAND PROTECTION: 4-side, Picatinny, can be removed without tool

PISTOL GRIP: A2 standard

SIGHTS: Mechanical folding sights

TRIGGER: Direct trigger, optionally match trigger

SAFETY: Trigger safety, 90°, can be operated on both sides, firing-pin safety

MAGAZINE CAPACITY: 20 rounds (limited to 10 rounds)

WEIGHT:
16,5“ – 3,6kg
14,5“ – 3,5kg
12,5“ – 3,4 kg
10“ – 3,35kg

http://www.cg-haenel.de/en/haenel-sport-und-sicherheit/cr223/semi-automatic-rifle-cr223/
http://www.cg-haenel.de/en/haenel-sport-und-sicherheit/cr223/technical-data/

HK416 A5 - 11"/14.5"/16.5"/20" – Cal. 5.56 MM X 45 NATO

General data

• Calibre 5.56 mm x 45
• Operating principle Gas-operated
• Magazine capacity 10/20/30 rounds
• Modes of fire 0-1-D
• Rate of fire approx. 850/min
• Sights M
• Buttstock R

Dimensions

• Length min./max. approx.: 11" = 709/805 mm, 14.4" = 797/893 mm, 16.5" = 848/944 mm, 20" = 934/1030 mm
• Width approx. 74.0 mm
• Height approx. 240.0 mm
• Barrel length approx.: 11" = 279 mm, 14.5" = 368 mm, 16.5" = 419 mm, 20" = 505 mm
• Sight radius approx. 11" = 340.0 mm, 14.5" = 430.0 mm, 16.5" = 481.0 mm, 20" = 567.0 mm

Weights

• Weapon approx.: 11" = 3.12 kg, 14.5" = 3.49 kg. 16.5" = 3.56 kg, 20" = 3.85 kg
  
• Magazine approx. 0.25 kg

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/assault-rifles/hk416-a5/hk416-a5-11/overview.html

HK417 A2 - 13"/16.5"/20" – Cal. 5.56 MM X 45 NATO

General

• Calibre 7.62 mm x 51
• Operating principle Gas-operated
• Magazine capacity 10/20 rounds
• Modes of fire 0-1-D
• Rate of fire approx. 600/min
• Sights M
• Buttstock R

Dimensions

• Length min./max. approx.: 13" = 824/904 mm, 16.5" = 914/994 mm, 20" = 1002/1082 mm
• Width approx. 78.0 mm
• Height approx. 213.0 mm
• Barrel length approx.: 13" = 330 mm, 16.5" = 419 mm, 20" = 508 mm
• Sight radius approx.: 13" = 410.0 mm, 16.5" = 410.0 mm, 20" = 473.0 mm

Weights

• Weapon approx.: 13" = 4.22 kg, 16.5" = 4.40 kg, 20" = 4.74 kg
• Magazine approx. 0.11/0.16 kg

http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/products/military/assault-rifles/hk417/hk417-a2-20/overview.html

Accessoires (grips, rails, sights, flash suppressors etc.)
http://www.heckler-koch.com/en/prod...-rifles/hk416-a5/hk416-a5-11/accessories.html

HK MR556A1

HK MK556A1 - 16.5" – Cal. 5.56 MM X 45 NATO

Caliber: 5.56 x 45 mm
Stock Extended Length: 37.68 in / 957 mm
Stock Retracted Length: 33.90 in / 861 mm
Width : 3.07 in / 78 mm
Height : 9.45 in/ 240 mm
Barrel Length: 16.5 in/ 419 mm

http://hk-usa.com/product/rifles/

Zulässige Waffen
Es dürfen nur die vom Dienstherrn zugelassenen Waffen verwendet werden. Für die Polizei Bayern gilt nach Art. 61 Abs. 4 Satz 1: "Als Waffen sind Schlagstock, Elektroimpulsgerät und vergleichbare Waffen, Pistole, Revolver, Gewehr, Maschinenpistole, Maschinengewehr und Handgranate zugelassen. Waffen können auf Anordnung des Staatsministeriums des Innern zeitlich befristet als Einsatzmittel erprobt werden."[3]

„Ein besonderes Problem stellen die »besonderen Waffen« dar, insbesondere MG [Maschinengewehr] und Handgranate. Sie dürfen in den meisten Bundesländern zwar nicht von der Landespolizei eingesetzt werden, wohl aber vom BGS. Die Benutzung solcher Waffen [...] ist stark umstritten [da] eine Ausbildung daran der Polizei militärische Ausrichtung gibt und [da] diese Waffen einen gezielten Einsatz aufgrund ihrer Streuwirkung überhaupt nicht zulassen.“

– Martin Wagner: Auf Leben und Tod - Das Grundgesetz und der »finale Rettungsschuss«[1]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffengebrauch_der_Polizei_in_Deutschland#Zul.C3.A4ssige_Waffen

Google translation:

Permissible weapons
Only the weapons approved by the service provider may be used. According to Article 61, para. 4, first sentence, the following applies to the Bavarian police: "Weapons may be equipped with a percussion, electro - pulse and similar weapon, pistol, revolver, rifle, machine gun, machine gun and hand grenade Are tested. "[3]

"A particular problem is the" special weapons ", especially MG [machine gun] and hand grenades. They may not be used by the state police in most of the federal states, but they may be used by the BGS. The use of such weapons [...] is strongly controversial [since] training gives the police military orientation because these weapons do not allow a targeted deployment because of their scattering effect at all. "

- Martin Wagner: On Life and Death - The Basic Law and the "Final Rescue Shot" [1]

@Aero: Federal units may have full auto weapons and handgrenades, but in most state units these are not allowed. This has to do with rate of fire and magazine capacity: large mag's and burst/ full auto are military requirements that preclude focused, individually targeted use. Hamburg police is state police, not federal, hence the semi-auto (= self loading but single shot) Haenel CR223: it allows rapid but not burst or full-auto fire of military rounds. Like HK MK556A1.

 

[Vergennes]

By the way the Glass placed on helmet is that bullet proof ?

I don't think it is bulletproof but it is to protect their eyes from explosives like shrapnel from getting in their eyes and blinding them.

The visors Norwegian police have are rated to stop a 9mm bullet, so I'd expect the German ones to be able too - and they're much thicker.

The visor used by Norwegian police is also used by France's GIGN.

An interesting difference between French or German counterterrorism police and their Norwegian counterparts is that while they have them, the Norwegian Special Police Units don't often wear their visors and instead opt for military-style helmets.

These photos show members of FSK and MJK (in tan) and Delta (in black) - Delta is an elite unit within Norway's Emergency Response Unit (SWAT).

We see the same during other counterterrorism exercises, such as this at sea hostage rescue op.

Again, unlike rapid response or regular police units, the special police teams opt for military-style headwear, but not a visor.

But nobody can deny that those helmets are so cool ?

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Interesting fact but not related to this thread.

Since the terror attacks in France,to a quicker treatment of the injured,their evacuation etc. the firefighters have been asked to intervene even when the zone hasn't been cleared at 100%.
They are being supplied with plate carriers and the same kind of helmets as elite units.

 

[Fenrir]

Since the terror attacks in France,to a quicker treatment of the injured,their evacuation etc. the firefighters have been asked to intervene even when the zone hasn't been cleared at 100%.
They are being supplied with plate carriers and the same kind of helmets as elite units.

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I hate that things have come to this in Europe, needing to arm emergency response personal with military and police grade protection. What's the next step if they come under increased risk? Arm them too?

Things haven't reached that level yet in Norway for civilian medical staff, but we do have these awesomely dorky helmets.

The military's medics wear, as you'd expect, actual combat gear.

Then again, perhaps things haven't reached that level because the HV is usually on the scene too?

But nobody can deny that those helmets are so cool ?

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I love them! They look heavy as heck, feel like you're wearing a brick, but damn if they don't make you feel invincible!!

I got to wear one during the Utoya attacks, put on my head by a police officer who thought I'd look cute wearing it.

 

[Penguin]

Firedepartments NL

 

[Penguin]

Ambulances and first aid / red cross

 

[Penguin]

Military Police Special Support Unit

1. Flashcap
2. Radio Head set
3. Bullet proof vest
4. Radio switch (speak)
5. Hook knife
6. OPS vest
7. 5.7mm FN P90 personal weapon
8. Aimpoint
9. Surefire light
10. Laser pointer
11. Silencer
12. Mossberg 590 12-gauge (18.5mm) shotgun
13. Shin and knee protectors
14.Jolly safety shoes (steel nosed, antiperforation innersole, goretex lined)
And, last but not least, Ballistic shield.

Marines Special Intervention Unit / Unit Intervention Marines / M-squadron

Police swat team

Military police Special Protection Brigade (has protection, observation and swat teams)

 

[Penguin]

MARSOF Unit

What a small world Europe is. Same vehicles we're using.

Mercedes Benz all over (here: French and Dutch military plus Dutch civilian firedepartment in a joint field training exercise in Gao, MALI (Africa)

Medevac Boxer (52 in service)

 

[Vergennes]

Firedepartments NL

Modern,well equipped and efficiant. The total opposite of here !
@Technogaianist

I let you imagine the time to reach a fire scene!