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Bilateral relations between Turkey and Germany have hit a new low since Berlin threatened Ankara to alter its economic policies, even implying that it would introduce economic sanctions against its NATO ally. However, experts indicate that the statements coming out of Berlin are closely tied to domestic political interests, especially considering the coming federal elections on Sept. 24. They said that economic sanctions would only have a detrimental effect on commercial ties.

Ties between Ankara and Berlin have been experiencing turbulence, as the former blames the latter for hosting and supporting terrorist organizations such as the PKK terrorist organization, the Revolutionary People's Liberation Party-Front (DHKP-C) and the Gülenist Terror Group (FETÖ) that perpetrated the July 15 coup attempt last year. On the other hand, Germany accuses Turkey of moving away from democratic values after July 15 and arresting German citizens. German Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel announced yesterday a range of steps to be taken against Turkey in response to the detention of Peter Steudtner, a German national who faces terrorism charges by Turkish authorities that is being described by the German government as a "human rights' activist."

Stressing that Gabriel is manipulating relations with Turkey as a tool for domestic politics, former member of European Parliament (MEP) Ozan Ceyhun said: "Gabriel is under the pressure of Martin Schulz while the latter is using the former as his puppet. The fact that this person is the foreign minister of Germany raises questions regarding Germany's credibility."

Nine suspects, including a German national, were detained after Turkish police raided a meeting held at a hotel on the island of Büyükada, off the shore of Istanbul, for planning provocative events that would fuel unrest across Turkey similar to the notorious Gezi Park riots of 2013.

"We need our policies toward Turkey to go in a new direction. …We can't continue as we have done," Gabriel told reporters in Berlin.

"We need to be clearer than we have been up to this point, so that those responsible in Ankara understand that such policies are not without consequences," he added.

A total of 10 suspects, including Steudtner, Swedish national Ali Gharavi and Amnesty International Turkey Director İdil Eser, were detained after Turkish police conducted a raid on a meeting being held at a hotel on the island of Büyükada, where attendees were allegedly planning provocative events that would fuel unrest across Turkey, similar to the notorious Gezi Park riots in 2013.

Six suspects were arrested on terrorism charges, while four suspects were released under judicial control. In addition to Germany, the arrests prompted reactions from the U.S. and Sweden.

In response to Gabriel's remarks Presidential spokesman İbrahim Kalın said yesterday that Ankara wants to maintain good relations with Berlin, adding that Foreign Minister Gabriel's harsh statements against Turkey were made with the aim of gaining domestic political interests ahead of the general elections to be held in September.

Speaking at a press conference held at the Presidential Palace in Ankara, Kalın said that Gabriel's "unfortunate" words spell a political campaign for the German general election in two months' time. "We think that these unfortunate statements are an attempt to alter domestic politics ahead of the approaching elections in Germany."

Responding to Gabriel's claims that German citizens traveling to Turkey for holidays are not secure now, Kalın said that Ankara "strongly condemns" such statements. "We strongly condemn the statements that German citizens going to Turkey are not secure and that German firms in Turkey have concerns and hesitations."

Kalın emphasized that Germany remains a significant trading partner for Turkey. "Has there ever been an incident of unjust treatment toward a German firm? I mean, it is unacceptable to cast a shadow [of doubt] on [our] economic relations due to small political interests," he added.

Underscoring that Ankara has always had good relations with Berlin and that it wants to continue this way, Kalın said that this should be done within the framework of mutual respect and understanding. "No one should attempt to bring Turkey to the line by waving fingers from Europe or anywhere else. This country is also governed by the rule of law. We have our own security concerns and worries," Kalın said.

Ceyhun said that Germany considers economic sanctions Turkey's point of weakness. Claiming that economic sanctions would result in significant losses on the German side, Ceyhun said: "Germany made the same mistake with Russia. They thought imposing sanctions on Russia would push them to make concessions but it was the German firms who suffered losses. Likewise, imposing economic sanctions would not make Turkey go bankrupt." The former MEP suggested that it would only push Turkey further away from investments in the German economy.

The presidential spokesman asserted that it would be more accurate and rational for European countries to consider Turkey as conducive with their own security.

Touching on Gabriel's criticism of the recent arrest of some suspects, Kalın said that those who have been arrested have been engaging in illegal activities. "This is political irresponsibility," the spokesperson contended.

Slamming the West for keeping silent over the PKK terrorist organization's activities, Kalın said that the West does not react to PKK attacks: "Unfortunately, the West continues to turn a blind eye to PKK terror. The West, which boasts about democracy, embarrassingly stays silent in the face of PKK terrorism. The Turkish people will not forget this fact; Turkey observes who stands behind the country and who does not," the spokesperson said.

In a statement issued yesterday, the Foreign Ministry said that remarks made by Bundestag spokesperson Steffen Seibert directly interfere with the Turkish judicial process and "crossed the line."

"Our Constitution guarantees that no institution, authority, department or person can give orders or instructions to the judiciary," the Foreign Ministry said.

Foreign Minister Mevlüt Çavuşoğlu, speaking late yesterday in Nicosia, Northern Cyprus, described German stance as hypocritical, noting that while German authorities constantly asked for patience from Turkey when it came to the extradition of fugitive terrorist suspects but expected Turkish judiciary to resolve cases within a day.

"We can never retreat from fighting terror. However, Germany acts as a haven for all terrorist groups that threaten Turkey," he said, adding, "It is not proper to issue economic threats against Turkey. I met with my counterpart Gabriel in Berlin in March. He, himself, had told me how wrong it was to issue economic threats against Turkey."

He said Germany was one of the countries that knew Turkey the best but added that as the federal elections neared, anti-Turkish rhetoric escalated. "Germany should know well that Turkey and Turks will never cower in the face of threats."

He concluded his special press conference by saying that Germany should not sacrifice its long-term ties to Turkey for short-term political gains.

https://www.dailysabah.com/diplomac...populism-as-federal-elections-near-1500586569
 
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After being called Nazis, after having their citizens arested on bogus charges and denied rightful consular help, after being denied to visit their own soldiers, after being threathened, Germany makes a small statement saying it had enough of the idiotic temper tantrums coming from Ankara but the laughable Erdoganian propaganda still says that Germany is populist instead of their sultan who throws childlish hissy fits just to score brownie points with the Ummah.
 
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After being called Nazis, after having their citizens arested on bogus charges and denied rightful consular help, after being denied to visit their own soldiers, after being threathened, Germany makes a small statement saying it had enough of the idiotic temper tantrums coming from Ankara but the laughable Erdoganian propaganda still says that Germany is populist instead of their sultan who throws childlish hissy fits just to score brownie points with the Ummah.
Okay, lets agree on everything you said.

I just want to ask you a question "after having their citizens arested on bogus charges " how do you know ?

Do you know with what prosecutor accuses them ? Do you know which evidence prosecutor has ? Did you entered their interrogation ?

I mean, how do you know charges are bogus ?
 
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Okay, lets agree on everything you said.

I just want to ask you a question "after having their citizens arested on bogus charges " how do you know ?

Do you know with what prosecutor accuses them ? Do you know which evidence prosecutor has ? Did you entered their interrogation ?

I mean, how do you know charges are bogus ?
Because Amnesty International is into terrorism.Isn't it the same organisation who defended Erdogan? And how about denying consular visits? Journalists are being arested in Turkey for criticism of Erdogan and after the massive purges the Turkish judicial system can't be trusted as independent.

Since when does planning a rally for democracy became terrorism?
 
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Because Amnesty International is into terrorism.Isn't it the same organisation who defended Erdogan?
Nobody accuses Amnesty International and nobody accuses that activists with terrorism. ;)

And how about denying consular visits?
I don't know it's details.

Journalists are being arested in Turkey for criticism of Erdogan and after the massive purges the Turkish judicial system can't be trusted as independent.
If you don't trust judicial system of Turkey don't come here it's simple as that.

So, a Romanian will come to my country and would kill my countryman. After being apprehended Romanian prime minister will say, Turkish judicial system can't be trusted and will demand immediate release of him.

**** On a small note, i'm not defending the arrests, but to my eyes demanding the release of the suspects of an ongoing investigation is weird and not gonna happen IMO.

**** Second note, we all know Erdoğan has immense power on judicial system. He made it personal with Germany after demanding the Gülenists in Germany and being denied.
 
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Nobody accuses Amnesty International and nobody accuses that activists with terrorism. ;)


I don't know it's details.


If you don't trust judicial system of Turkey don't come here it's simple as that.

So, a Romanian will come to my country and would kill my countryman. After being apprehended Romanian prime minister will say, Turkish judicial system can't be trusted and will demand immediate release of him.

**** On a small note, i'm not defending the arrests, but to my eyes demanding the release of the suspects of an ongoing investigation is weird and not gonna happen IMO.

**** Second note, we all know Erdoğan has immense power on judicial system. He made it personal with Germany after demanding the Gülenists in Germany and being denied.


Thats what Germany says. That it cant guarantee the safety of its citizens in Turkey. They say anyone can be imprisoned on bogus cahregs.

You book a hotel owned by someone Erdo thinks is a Gulenist? You end in prison.

Its an easy thing Sinan. Imagine i come for party and city touring and say that i find Erdogan pathetic? Chances are high i get arrested.
 
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Thats what Germany says. That it cant guarantee the safety of its citizens in Turkey. They say anyone can be imprisoned on bogus cahregs.

You book a hotel owned by someone Erdo thinks is a Gulenist? You end in prison.

Its an easy thing Sinan. Imagine i come for party and city touring and say that i find Erdogan pathetic? Chances are high i get arrested.
Nope actually. :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
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the truth is, unless you spay those animals like the jews did on the high sea in the fashion of mavi marmara and turn them domestic, those turkics will pester you like roaches and bite you like ticks.

it is not enough that they annoy the mighty Eurasians with their panturkicism. now they have to go ahead and harass the germans. which is all good and well, because when the day comes for their extermination, this rootless race will find no shelter anywhere on the Eurasian continent.
 
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Turkey has been abusing us Germans as Nazis for months, even years. Nazis here, Nazis there. We were the bad guys of the world...blah blah...
merkel-as-hitler.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-behaving-like-nazis-turks-banned-political/

You know, granted, we are all nazis, we will it be for the next century, and maybe even longer, so it`s, sh*t happens.
But don`t be surprised, if the bad guys behave like bad guys. We had started wars, invaded entire countries, killed millions...therefore it`s a clack for us to drive the German-Turkish relations against the wall...you know, nazis are doing such things. :azn:
 
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Turkey has been abusing us Germans as Nazis for months, even years. Nazis here, Nazis there. We were the bad guys of the world...blah blah...
merkel-as-hitler.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-behaving-like-nazis-turks-banned-political/

You know, granted, we are all nazis, we will it be for the next century, and maybe even longer, so it`s, sh*t happens.
But don`t be surprised, if the bad guys behave like bad guys. We had started wars, invaded entire countries, killed millions...therefore it`s a clack for us to drive the German-Turkish relations against the wall...you know, nazis are doing such things. :azn:

Oh, you were being sarcastic. :D

I wouldn't expect humor from a German guy. :)
 
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Erdo punched Angie in the balls to win the referandum and know Angie is punching Erdo in the balls to win the election. (1+1=2)
 
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Erdo punched Angie in the balls to win the referandum and know Angie is punching Erdo in the balls to win the election. (1+1=2)

1. Erdogan has no balls.... in Germany we have a phrase "Hunde die bellen beissen nicht" dogs barking dont bite...
2. Merkel CDU did nothing.... it was Gabriel from the SPD

Turkey is totaly nuts with the endless insutling by Erdogan and his fellow politicans... by the endless insulting in the Erdogan press...

Merkel does not need to insult anyone to win a election....

low dep
high employment rate
booming economic
low inflation
low crime rate
low murder rate
high standart of living
well working health care system
well working social system
lowest youth unemployent rate in Europe
nearly cost free university and education on a high standart level
the best infrastructure in Europe
on the way to energy independence from oil coal and nuclear power
open minded citizen

why should she insult Erdogan? Here everyone knows that he is a stupid faggot and no one cares what this wanna be Sultan claims, he is as important for Germany as a bag of rice in china that drops over...
Turkey completely overestimate its improtance... here no one needs Turkey.

BTW... just look around on all major german news and newspaper sides and look if you find there today any report about Erdogan or a anti turkish statment... not a single news... wonder were this poluism happen?

ARD nothing
ZDF nothing
RTL nothing
FAZ nothing
Bild nothing
WAZ nothing
Sueddeutsche Zeitung nothing

btw you will never find such a insutling cover with a foreign democratic ellected politican, head of a democratic state dressed as a NAZI and insulted in the headline in a german newspaper.... that is the different between well educated and high cultural level and goatfuckers...
 
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1. Erdogan has no balls.... in Germany we have a phrase "Hunde die bellen beissen nicht" dogs barking dont bite...
2. Merkel CDU did nothing.... it was Gabriel from the SPD

Turkey is totaly nuts with the endless insutling by Erdogan and his fellow politicans... by the endless insulting in the Erdogan press...

Merkel does not need to insult anyone to win a election....

low dep
high employment rate
booming economic
low inflation
low crime rate
low murder rate
high standart of living
well working health care system
well working social system
lowest youth unemployent rate in Europe
nearly cost free university and education on a high standart level
the best infrastructure in Europe
on the way to energy independence from oil coal and nuclear power
open minded citizen

why should she insult Erdogan? Here everyone knows that he is a stupid faggot and no one cares what this wanna be Sultan claims, he is as important for Germany as a bag of rice in china that drops over...
Turkey completely overestimate its improtance... here no one needs Turkey.

BTW... just look around on all major german news and newspaper sides and look if you find there today any report about Erdogan or a anti turkish statment... not a single news... wonder were this poluism happen?

ARD nothing
ZDF nothing
RTL nothing
FAZ nothing
Bild nothing
WAZ nothing
Sueddeutsche Zeitung nothing

btw you will never find such a insutling cover with a foreign democratic ellected politican, head of a democratic state dressed as a NAZI and insulted in the headline in a german newspaper.... that is the different between well educated and high cultural level and goatfuckers...
I never said she's insulting Erdogan but do not be disingenuous and try to say that anti-Turkish rhetoric and "standing up to Erdogan" doesn't score brownie points with the German electorate, you will never convince anyone unless they are completely retarded. I don't have the time but there are some pretty harsh articles (especially Spiegel) about Erdo and Turkey, only a fool wouldn't realize this. Tbh I couldn't care less what happens between Turkey and Germany, the world will continue to turn..one way or another. I also find it funny that you claim Turkey matters less than a bag of rice in China, the Chinese will surely disagree with this obnoxiously arrogant turd of a statement in the next 10-15 years when a trade war is likely to erupt and they will look at the Turkish consumer (probably numbering at 90-95 million at that point) to sway the whole shit show in their favor...continue sleeping enveloped in your arrogance and ignorance, the wake up process will not be a kind one and that's a guarantee. Aufwiedersehen freundchen, bleib Gut.
 
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