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German rail giant mulls buying trains from China: report

Germany's national railway operator, Deutsche Bahn, said Tuesday that it was considering buying trains and spare parts from China in the future.

"In three to five years from now, Asia and China in particular can assume a key role in supplying Deutsche Bahn with trains and spare parts," board member Heike Hanagarth told German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on Tuesday.

According to Hanagarth, Deutsche Bahn's objective is to cooperate with Chinese train makers CSR and CNR, and the company plans to open a purchasing office in Beijing as early as this coming fall.

As a first step, Deutsche Bahn would reportedly start to buy part of its annually required 35,000 wheel sets in China from 2017.
 
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German rail giant mulls buying trains from China: report

Germany's national railway operator, Deutsche Bahn, said Tuesday that it was considering buying trains and spare parts from China in the future.

"In three to five years from now, Asia and China in particular can assume a key role in supplying Deutsche Bahn with trains and spare parts," board member Heike Hanagarth told German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung on Tuesday.

According to Hanagarth, Deutsche Bahn's objective is to cooperate with Chinese train makers CSR and CNR, and the company plans to open a purchasing office in Beijing as early as this coming fall.

As a first step, Deutsche Bahn would reportedly start to buy part of its annually required 35,000 wheel sets in China from 2017.

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Deutsche Bahn eyes shopping spree in China | Business | DW.DE | 26.05.2015

Deutsche Bahn eyes shopping spree in China

German rail operator Deutsche Bahn has said it's considering buying trains and spare parts from Chinese producers in a couple of years. German suppliers such as Siemens will not be amused by the announcement.



German rail giant Deutsche Bahn said it was mulling the option of buying trains and spare parts from China medium-term.

"In three to five years from now, Asia and China in particular can assume a key role in supplying Deutsche Bahn with trains and spare parts," board member Heike Hanagarth said in an interview for Tuesday's edition of the "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung."

She mentioned that the company would most likely open a purchasing office in Beijing as early as this coming fall.

Looking for alternatives

"It's our objective to cooperate with Chinese train makers CSR and CNR," Hanagarth added. The two companies are in the process of merging right now to be in a better position to win more orders from abroad.

The combined entity would have future capacities able to cover half of the global demand for trains, the "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" estimated.

Hanagarth told the newspaper that Deutsche Bahn wanted to "show current suppliers like ICE trainmaker Siemens that it was taking a closer look at the offers made by competitors. She also said the Chinese government was highly interested in getting a deal with Deutsche Bahn.

The manager emphasized that the days were long gone when the two words "China" and "quality" were a contradiction.
 
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This is great news for China. I hope we see a day when Japan also buys Chinese trains. Keep Going!
 
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China Merging Trainmakers Adds to Pressure on Siemens - Bloomberg Business

China Merging Trainmakers Adds to Pressure on Siemens

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Passengers board a Shenzhen to Guangzhou China Railway high-speed train at the Luohu railway station in Shenzhen, Guangdong province, China. China is expanding the world’s largest high-speed rail network to help sustain a three-decade economic boom. Photographer: Forbes Conrad/Bloomberg

Oct. 29 (Bloomberg) -- China’s plan to merge its two biggest trainmakers may allow the country to win more overseas orders with improved and cheaper offerings, increasing pressure on rivals including Siemens AG, Alstom SA and Bombardier Inc.

China’s State Council has ordered the merger of China Northern Locomotive & Rolling Stock Industry Group Corp. and southern counterpart CSR Group into one company, government officials involved in the transaction said yesterday. The pair are already the world’s No. 1 and No. 2 in rail equipment, each getting more than 90 percent of their sales from China.

“This would create a very strong global competitor,” said Ingo-Martin Schachel, a Frankfurt-based Commerzbank AG analyst who rates Siemens shares hold. “It would heighten the need for consolidation among the western manufacturers.”

The increased competition from China comes at a time when manufacturers such as Germany’s Siemens and France’s Alstom are facing constrained public spending in their home markets. China is competing aggressively for overseas rail projects, targeting emerging markets such as Africa, Eastern Europe, Latin America and Southeast Asia. Premier Li Keqiang has touted the country’s rail equipment, engineering and construction companies during overseas trips, signing several deals along the way.

Last week, Boston awarded CNR a $567 million contract to supply trains for the city’s subway system, the first deal of its kind for a Chinese company in the U.S. CNR offered the cheapest price among five bidders and a little more than half of the bid by Montreal-based Bombardier.

European Woes

Europe’s biggest engineering company Siemens this year unsuccessfully tried to combine its ailing train operations with Alstom’s transport business as part of an asset swap to buy the French company’s energy assets. Alstom instead sold energy assets to General Electric Co. and will receive the U.S. company’s rail-signaling unit in exchange.

Siemens’s transportation business, with about 6 billion euros ($7.6 billion) in annual revenue, has burdened profit at the Munich-based company since 2011 as delays to orders from German national rail operator Deutsche Bahn AG precipitated hundreds of millions of euros in charges. In contrast, Alstom’s transport arm, which makes products ranging from signalling equipment and trams to regional railcars and long-distance trains, has been reporting rising sales and profitability.

High-Speed Competition

The combined Chinese entity would have annual sales of $33.6 billion and a net income of $1.44 billion and also challenge the high-speed products of both Alstom and Siemens, which operate under the respective TGV and ICE brands in France and Germany.

China is expanding the world’s largest high-speed rail network to help sustain a three-decade economic boom. In December, CSR and China CNR won bids for 258 bullet trains worth as much as 44.3 billion yuan ($7.2 billion) to serve the growing network. CSR builds high-speed trains on its own and in a venture with Bombardier.

Representatives for Siemens and Bombardier declined to comment on the potential market impact of a merged Chinese trainmaker. Alstom couldn’t immediately be reached for comment.

Japanese trainmakers such as Hitachi Ltd. are also seeking orders abroad as demand for new railroads shrinks at home, where the population is falling. Hitachi, described on its website as “the key player” in the Shinkansen bullet train, said in December it was working on new rail orders that could lead it to consider a plant in Germany or expansion of a facility that it’s building in Newton Aycliffe, England, following successful contract bids in the U.K.

Merger Details

Details of the Chinese merger are yet to be set, and China International Capital Corp. is drafting a plan for combining the two companies’ listed arms, said the officials, who asked not to be identified as they are not authorized to speak to the media.

China CNR Corp. and CSR Corp., the two listed entities of the trainmakers, have a combined market value of $26 billion based on their last trading prices in Hong Kong. The two had 172,647 workers at the end of last year, the data show. The two companies said Oct. 27 they will make a “major” announcement within five working days.

While European spending on infrastructure projects has been sluggish, other markets are set to boost investments, Nicholas Heymann, a New York-based William Blair & Co. analyst, said in an Oct. 21 telephone interview.

“Emerging markets have surged,” he said. “People are gassed up about South America, that’s tangible and real.” India plans to spend $93 billion over 15 years to upgrade and modernize infrastructure, he said.

The increased competition from China may also force the likes of Siemens to develop new offerings and invest more in research and development.

Heymann said he met with Siemens’s representatives in September and was disappointed by the products the German company showed him.

“I said to them ‘It’s really nice of you to spend two hours with me, but where the hell is the beef in the burger?’”




To contact the reporters on this story:
Alex Webb in Munich at awebb25@bloomberg.net;
Clement Tan in Hong Kong at ctan297@bloomberg.net


To contact the editors responsible for this story:
Anand Krishnamoorthy at anandk@bloomberg.net;
Simon Thiel at sthiel1@bloomberg.net

Simon Thiel, Christopher Jasper

 
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We need a camera at the next executive meeting of Siemens industry. The reaction must be comedic.
 
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MAY 27 2015 04:58h

German rail company mulling purchase of Chinese trains, report says

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Germany's national rail company is considering the purchase of trains from China, a Deutsche Bahn director was quoted by a leading broadsheet on Tuesday as saying.

"In three to five years, Asia and especially China will be able to attain a key function in the purchase of trains and replacement parts for Deutsche Bahn," Heike Hanagarth, chief technology officer, told the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung.

She said that the two main Chinese manufacturers, China South Locomotive & Rolling Stock Corporation (CSR) and China CNR Corporation (CNR), have now become competitive.

"The fact is that today the Chinese producers are already supplying well-known clients in the United States, for example," she said.

Germany's Siemens, Canada's Bombardier and France's Alstom have been Deutsche Bahn's main providers of locomotives to date.

Hanagarth said she wanted to show them that Deutsche Bahn "was engaging with their international competitors."

Deutsche Bahn is planning to open a purchasing office in Beijing in the autumn to cooperate with the two Chinese companies, she added.

The next generation of high-speed intercity trains, known as ICx and due for delivery in 2017, have already been ordered from Siemens.

http://dalje.com/en-world/german-rail-company-mulling-purchase-of-chinese-trains-report-says/545249
 
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Thursday 28 May 2015

China may have edge in race to build California’s bullet train

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Chinese state firms are poised to be strong contenders in the race to make high-speed trains that will sprint between Los Angeles and San Francisco, part of a $68 billion project to bring the service to the United States for the first time.

While bullet train manufacturers from Germany, Japan, South Korea, and France are expected to be among those jockeying for the estimated $1 billion train contract, China’s ability to offer low prices and hefty financing appear to make it the one to beat, say lobbyists and industry insiders.

Lacking experience in the technology, California must turn to foreign firms to build the trains – albeit domestically and with American workers - setting off a geopolitical race to grab a foothold in the nascent U.S. high-speed rail industry.

Germany‘s Siemens is expanding its rail factory in Sacramento to incorporate a “high-speed lot.” Japan has voiced its interest, boasting a record of no fatal accidents in over 50 years operating high-speed trains. France’s Alstom, which produces rail cars in upstate New York, is also a potential contender.

Awarding a piece of America’s most ambitious and expensive infrastructure project in decades to strategic rival China – over a long-term ally such as Japan - would be prone to political controversy.

But a Chinese bid with generous financing attached could prove hard to resist for California’s government, which has so far secured only a fraction of the total funding needed for a project that would see trains speeding at over 200 mph (322 kph) to connect the state’s biggest cities in under three hours.

“They are the 900-pound guerilla, said Rod Diridon, former board chairman of the California High-Speed Rail Authority (CHSRA), the state government agency tasked with issuing the bid and selecting a manufacturer. They have huge advantages, because they have so much funding.”

After building the world’s longest high-speed train network in less than a decade, China has made exports of the technology a priority, pushing to build thousands of kilometres of track in countries such as Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.

Its top leaders rarely make a foreign trip without touting the industry.

State-owned locomotive makers China CSR Corp and China CNR Corp last December announced plans to merge in a $32 billion deal, creating a formidable global competitor backed by generous public financing.

CNR Tangshan Railway, a unit of CNR, and CSR last October made an official expression of interest in supplying the trains to California, and are now expected to launch a joint bid.

Siemens, Alstom, Japan’s Kawasaki Heavy, South Korea’s Hyundai Rotem, Italy s AnsaldoBreda, Spain’s Talgo, and Canada s Bombardier also expressed interest.

China CNR and China CSR declined to comment when asked about their interest.

U.S.-based SunGroup USA, which has been working with China CNR, said it had identified a possible factory site for China to make the trains in the city of Oakland, where California Governor Jerry Brown was a two-term mayor.

Two years ago, Brown rode a Chinese bullet train and met with rail officials during a trade mission to China.

Last month, Brown was wooed by Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe, who showed off a model of a bullet train while on a visit to the United States.

BEIJING S FINANCING CLOUT

The United States lags far behind Europe and Asia in high-speed rail. President Barack Obama planned to make high-speed rail his signature transportation accomplishment but most of the country’s dozen or so projects have struggled to gain traction.

California is the farthest along, although funding remains a major hurdle, and the 520-mile (837-km) long Los Angeles to San Francisco route isn t projected to open until 2029. Construction on the rail line began last year near the middle of the route in Fresno, a city in the state’s Central Valley.

Only about $13.2 billion of the estimated $68 billion has been raised, plus a pledge of cap-and-trade proceeds - funds paid by companies to offset carbon emissions.

CHSRA, which will issue details of the bid for an initial 16 trains later this year, could consider financing in addition to technology and price when it selects a train maker in 2016.

“We would certainly like to see a financing component,” said CHRSA s CEO Morales.

“I think every one of the manufacturers that we talked to have done some form of financing before. It’s not unusual, and they’ve suggested that they’re looking at that.”

The South Korean government will not provide financing for the project, said a spokesman for Hyundai Rotem, the country’s sole train-maker.

Japan has put together a consortium of companies to bid for the California projects and, like China, has access to cheap financing. But they aren’t in a position to cut quite as close to the bone,” said Clayton Dube, director of University of Southern California’s U.S.-China Institute.

“China would be willing to make relatively little on this in order to make it happen.

China CSR was part of a consortium backed by the Export-Import Bank of China that pledged to finance 85 percent of Mexico’s planned $3.75 billion high-speed train system. The bid was revoked in a political scandal. [Story: ID:nL1N0UT14H]

China has less history with the technology than some, but has accomplished much in the past decade, building over 7,500 miles (12,000 km) of track.

“They’ve come up a very steep learning curve. I’ve been very impressed,” said Morales.

CHSRA plans to find a firm to lay track around the end of this year, estimated to be worth $500-600 million (358-429 million pounds) for the first 125 miles (200 km) in the Central Valley.

China has yet to export its bullet trains, and has encountered some controversy over its other rail exports to the United States.

When a joint Chinese venture that included CNR won a $567 million contract last October to supply Boston subway cars, some residents protested over allegations of human rights abuses in China. CNR submitted the lowest bid at roughly half the price of Bombardier.

Safety could also emerge as a concern over a Chinese bid. In 2011, a Chinese bullet train crash left 40 people dead and stoked fears of shoddy technology.

“Safety and technology come into play, and this keeps the project open to those with the most experience in high-speed rail - Japanese, French and German interests,” said Tom McMorrow, a principle at the law firm Manatt, Phelps and Phillips in Sacramento, who works on international trade issues, including representing Japanese rail interests.

(Additional reporting by Brenda Goh in Shanghai, Gabriel Stargardter in Mexico City, Hyunjoo Jin in Seoul, and Tim Kelly in Tokyo. Editing by Stuart Grudgings.)

China may have edge in race to build California #39;s bullet train
 
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Deutsche Bahn! DB must meet fierce opposition.
The main task for CNR/CSR now is designing standard 350kph bullet train in the same technical standards, thus eliminating technological difference between Kawasaki-based CRH2, Siemens-based CRH3 and Bombardier-based CRH1. Then, they will save tons of money in maintenance, manufacturing and operation. This will be the ultimate phase of localisation.

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Deutsche Bahn! DB must meet fierce opposition.
The main task for CNR/CSR now is designing standard 350kph bullet train in the same technical standards, thus eliminating technological difference between Kawasaki-based CRH2, Siemens-based CRH3 and Bombardier-based CRH1. Then, they will save tons of money in maintenance, manufacturing and operation. This will be the ultimate phase of localisation.

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Recently someone reported about testing trains for 500kph. Are different tracks required for these trains, or the current one work?
 
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Recently someone reported about testing trains for 500kph. Are different tracks required for these trains, or the current one work?
On some new lines which are under construction. Faster speed means larger turning radius and more space between two tracks.
CIT500(500kph), already tested at less than 400kph in Shanghai-Changsha HSR
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Recently someone reported about testing trains for 500kph. Are different tracks required for these trains, or the current one work?

The current high speed rail (in range of 250kph to 400 kph) uses the same rail. (Different from regular rail). I do remember reading somewhere the current ones can support 500 kph trains as well. Mostly because the 500 kph technology is already in development when the current generation is commercialized.
 
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