Genetic proof that Pakistanis are different from Indians

[MultaniGuy]

You are trying for last 70 years. You tried when your economy was booming and per capita income exceeded India's. You even tried after acquiring nukes but you have failed. Now your economy is pathetic and per capita income has slipped below India's and you are forced to take action against LeT, JeM and put Hafiz Sayeed under house arrest. Whereas Baloch freedom fighters are showing their presence felt by demonstrating at all international conferences, UN events.

Hahaha joke of the century.

It is Kashmir which is seen as disputed territory byt the United Nations.

It is Kashmiris crying for freedom from Indian occupation.

Muslim Balochis want to stay with Muslim Pakistan.

Your arguments are flawed.

What about Umer Mirwaiz Farouq who leads the separatist party in Kashmir.

All Kashmiris want independence from India.

Everybody knows that

 

[Radio Mirchi]

Hahaha joke of the century.

It is Kashmir which is seen as disputed territory byt the United Nations.

It is Kashmiris crying for freedom from Indian occupation.

Muslim Balochis want to stay with Muslim Pakistan.

Your arguments are flawed.

What about Umer Mirwaiz Farouq who leads the separatist party in Kashmir.

All Kashmiris want independence from India.

Everybody knows that

Talking of Flawed arguments.

MUSLIM Bengalis did not stay with MUSLIM Pakistan so why will MUSLIM Balochs will want to stay with MUSLIM Pakistan...
After voting for Jinnah and his 2-nation theory, 1/3rd muslims decided to remain in India. So Muslims of Kashmir are going to remain in India.

Let Mirwaiz Farouque contest an election and win a seat, then we can talk about it. There is a difference between Pakistan's support and Mass support in Kashmir.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Talking of Flawed arguments.

MUSLIM Bengalis did not stay with MUSLIM Pakistan so why will MUSLIM Balochs will want to stay with MUSLIM Pakistan...
After voting for Jinnah and his 2-nation theory, 1/3rd muslims decided to remain in India. So Muslims of Kashmir are going to remain in India.

Let Mirwaiz Farouque contest an election and win a seat, then we can talk about it. There is a difference between Pakistan's support and Mass support in Kashmir.

lol, The Bengalis formed a majority in their province.
Also Bangladesh was far away from the mainland to control.

Also Balochistan is connected with the other provinces of Pakistan.

The Baloch do not form a majority in their province.

You cannot compare Bangladesh to Balochistan. It like comparing apples to potatoes.

Most Muslim Baloch want to stay with Muslim Pakistan.

So what if a 3rd of Muslims stayed back in India. Pakistan was never given enough land to host the other Muslims from the Republic of India..

Even an Indian like you know that the Kashmiris separatist leaders want independence from India.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

lol, The Bengalis formed a majority in their province.
Also Bangladesh was far away from the mainland to control.

Also Balochistan is connected with the other provinces of Pakistan.

The Baloch do not form a majority in their province.

You cannot compare Bangladesh to Balochistan. It like comparing apples to potatoes.

Most Muslim Baloch want to stay with Muslim Pakistan.

So what if a 3rd of Muslims stayed back in India. Pakistan was never given enough land to host the other Muslims.

So, don't Balochs have majority in their own state of Balochistan? If not then they have a solid reason to secede from Pakistan.
If Bangladesh was far away from mainland then remember even Kashmir is not detached from mainland India and muslim majority Lakshdweep is detached from India.
If Balochistan is not comparable with Bangladesh then who do you compare Kashmir with??? Uyghur???
You have no arguments left. you guys can only do LeT, JeM etc in Kashmir, nothing beyond.

 

[Clutch]

Talking of Flawed arguments.

MUSLIM Bengalis did not stay with MUSLIM Pakistan so why will MUSLIM Balochs will want to stay with MUSLIM Pakistan...
After voting for Jinnah and his 2-nation theory, 1/3rd muslims decided to remain in India. So Muslims of Kashmir are going to remain in India.

Let Mirwaiz Farouque contest an election and win a seat, then we can talk about it. There is a difference between Pakistan's support and Mass support in Kashmir.

You can ask the same questions... of Muslim pathans (like me), Muslim Sindhs, Muslim Mahavira, Muslim punjanbis,.Muslim KP... etc etc...

Why would any of them want to stay with pakistan?... because we are pakistan

Lol... because we do.

 

[MultaniGuy]

So, don't Balochs have majority in their own state of Balochistan? If not then they have a solid reason to secede from Pakistan.
If Bangladesh was far away from mainland then remember even Kashmir is not detached from mainland India and muslim majority Lakshdweep is detached from India.
If Balochistan is not comparable with Bangladesh then who do you compare Kashmir with??? Uyghur???
You have no arguments left. you guys can only do LeT, JeM etc in Kashmir, nothing beyond.

Actually I have plenty of arguments.

The Muslims of Kashmir do not want to be under Indian occupation simple.

They do not want to live with the Hindus.

So, don't Balochs have majority in their own state of Balochistan? If not then they have a solid reason to secede from Pakistan.
If Bangladesh was far away from mainland then remember even Kashmir is not detached from mainland India and muslim majority Lakshdweep is detached from India.
If Balochistan is not comparable with Bangladesh then who do you compare Kashmir with??? Uyghur???
You have no arguments left. you guys can only do LeT, JeM etc in Kashmir, nothing beyond.

Balochis do not form a majority in Balochistan.

It is the Pathans who do.

You guys got more land as per your population in 1947. you could have accommodated more people and yet remained less populated per sq kms.

And we know that only separatist leaders want independence from India, not the common kashmiris.

No, the Kashmiris want independence from India.

That is what the majority want. Not just the separatist leaders.

Even your other Indian members admitted this on a different thread.

You guys got more land as per your population in 1947. you could have accommodated more people and yet remained less populated per sq kms.

And we know that only separatist leaders want independence from India, not the common kashmiris.

No we did not.
Pakistan deserved more land.

No we did not.
Pakistan deserved more land.

You guys got more land as per your population in 1947. you could have accommodated more people and yet remained less populated per sq kms.

And we know that only separatist leaders want independence from India, not the common kashmiris.

No we did not.
Pakistan deserved more land.

 

[Radio Mirchi]

You guys got more land as per your population in 1947. you could have accommodated more people and yet remained less populated per sq kms.

And we know that only separatist leaders want independence from India, not the common kashmiris.

 

[Hamza913]

Punjab, KPK and Sindh don't comprise one genetic group
People came and settled there, how can they have one genetic group for whole province ?

Each of these three provinces have diverse population from different origins, they must have different genetic groups.

Believe it or not, they do have plenty in common genetically.

But yes, by in large they are different from one another. However, the difference isn't as big as the difference between different ethnic groups of Hindustan.

Pakistan is ahead of every country in South Asia in average male height, it beats Sri-Lanka by 0.3.

Pakistanis have lost 4 inches over the decades; as the situation improves in terms of nutrition and etc... I hope we can start regaining those inches. As a Pakistani living abroad, I can easily say that we are above the national average here in the U.S and way above Indians.


There has been very little genetic evidence (almost none in most Pakistani ethnic groups) of "Muslim invaders" influencing our genetics. We're natives of the Indus and have always been. Stick to your Ganga please.

Muslim invaders have contributed to the genetics of Muslims in both Hindustan and Pakistan.

However, the actual amount of gene flow is often exaggerated by Hindustanis. It's detectable, but minor.

Now we are the natives of Indus...not you. That is how history across the world is taught, so don't make up facts.



You are not Buddhists...period. Even Pakistani history book don't teach that to your kids. History is backed by facts and discoveries not by whims.

LOL what?

We are the people of Indus, you have no claim to it. You are as Indus as we are Mauryan.

This is the map of India before 1947. This is the proof that your forefathers were Indians and they fought against British for the independence of India, not for Pakistan.
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Under the Mughals, Afghanistan was a part of India too.

Does that mean Afghans had Hindustani forefathers too?

TBH I find it very tough to distinguish Pakistanis from North Indians. I am pretty sure Pakistanis living in Canada/US will agree with that.

Some find it hard to distinguish Iranians from Arabs

Are they the same now too?

I am a SIKH JATT and my caste is CHEEMA. If you go to Pakistani Punjab you can find CHEEMA caste all over. They are muslim JATS. My background is also Pakistani.

So if Pakistanis are different, then tell me how is Punjabi SIKH jatts and muslim jatts any different???? For centuries we have had the same surnames, same villages, same occupation which is farming and also similar looks.

Don't know about Jatts, but Muslim Gujjars differ genetically from their non Muslim counterparts:

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&s...gghMAA&usg=AFQjCNEYBoHCtETWW98DOYSnyRQmd6ODcQ

Distribution of the races after the Pleistocene according to Carleton Coon Caucasoid race Negroid race Capoid race Mongoloid race Australoid race

Ethnographic map", Meyers Konversations-Lexikon(1885–90)

please tell me where is Pakistan according to these maps any different from india?

Are you colour blind?

Both maps indicate Pakistan is substantially more caucasoid than Hindustan.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

I have seen Pakistani women who are so white and blonde that they could just walk into the Game of Thrones set and play a Northern Girl or a Targarayen

 

[Yogijaat]

Where the hell is Haryanvi???
And really??? It shows Dravidians Having more European ancestory than North Indian???
One more thing, North India Consistent of J&K, Uttrakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Punjab, Haryana and Uttar Pradesh. Out of which, only UP is part of Gangetic Plains. Even Western UP is Dominated by People Having IVC ancestory like Gujjars, Jats Etc. J&K, Punjab and Haryana are a Part of IVC. So it will be Wrong to call Whole North India as Gangetic People.

Don't waste your time here. Some Pakistanis are trying to create a new identity for themselves. You shouldn't take their claims of being jat and gujjar serious, their identity is very lucid and rather adopted. They chose to be jat, gujjar instead of being born as one. Genetic wise also they are far far away from us. You take jat from haryana, rajasthan or up, genetically we all are same. Sikh jats are little mixed but are closer to us then say punjabi brahmin. Pakistani jats are mixed more... not even closer to sikh jats.
Around delhi, haryana i can tell 70 percent of the time if the person is jat or not by looking at face and body structure, rest 30 percent of the time it turns out to be gujjar.
Wether we are from ivc or not is very hard to prove but one thing is certain that we have preserved our blood and for this we should thank our forefathers and if we want to take their legacy forward, we should totally reject claims of these mixed cousin breeders Pakistanis as being one of us.

 

[Haryanvi Jat]

Don't waste your time here. Some Pakistanis are trying to create a new identity for themselves. You shouldn't take their claims of being jat and gujjar serious, their identity is very lucid and rather adopted. They chose to be jat, gujjar instead of being born as one. Genetic wise also they are far far away from us. You take jat from haryana, rajasthan or up, genetically we all are same. Sikh jats are little mixed but are closer to us then say punjabi brahmin. Pakistani jats are mixed more... not even closer to sikh jats.
Around delhi, haryana i can tell 70 percent of the time if the person is jat or not by looking at face and body structure, rest 30 percent of the time it turns out to be gujjar.
Wether we are from ivc or not is very hard to prove but one thing is certain that we have preserved our blood and for this we should thank our forefathers and if we want to take their legacy forward, we should totally reject claims of these mixed cousin breeders Pakistanis as being one of us.

Yep, even I sometimes think that what right they (who worship someone who's not even related to their blood) have to call us (those who have conserve their blood and worship their Ancestors) Mixed. They are some Retarded $##ts.

 

[UnitedPak]

Don't waste your time here. Some Pakistanis are trying to create a new identity for themselves. You shouldn't take their claims of being jat and gujjar serious, their identity is very lucid and rather adopted. They chose to be jat, gujjar instead of being born as one. Genetic wise also they are far far away from us. You take jat from haryana, rajasthan or up, genetically we all are same. Sikh jats are little mixed but are closer to us then say punjabi brahmin. Pakistani jats are mixed more... not even closer to sikh jats.
Around delhi, haryana i can tell 70 percent of the time if the person is jat or not by looking at face and body structure, rest 30 percent of the time it turns out to be gujjar.
Wether we are from ivc or not is very hard to prove but one thing is certain that we have preserved our blood and for this we should thank our forefathers and if we want to take their legacy forward, we should totally reject claims of these mixed cousin breeders Pakistanis as being one of us.

There is nothing new about the Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and Balochi identities, together making up 90%+ of Pakistanis. In fact, we have preserved the language and cultures. Thanks for the concern.

Which brings me to the "Hindi speaking" people of North India.
Standard Hindi only came around in the 19th century, demanded by Hindu nationalists who couldn't come to terms with Urdu and the Persian script.
Your current culture is very much defined by the Mughals who were Muslim.
Even the name "India" came from a region foreign to the people of North India.

Its the British you have to thank for defining the modern North Indian identity. Good luck with your preservation goals.

 

[Hamza913]

As per one saint Mr. Tarek Fatah they have got identity crisis. They are the only species in the world who hate their own mother tongue Punjabi. They believe Urdu talking people are more intelligent and removed all Punjabi texts. Pakistanis can never have same genes as Indians. They hate themselves more than anyone else need to do them. Indian are intelligent, brave and generous. We made 93000 of them surrender but generously allowed them to be alive. Our genes are completely different.

Yes Hindustanis are so much smarter than Pakistanis. That's why you have lower IQ's than us:

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country

As for Tarek Fatah, he's an idiot who for some reason thinks that Pakistanis think they are Arab. To this day I haven't met a single Pakistani claiming such, even the Syeds I've met consider themselves Pakistani and their Arab heritage as a distant memory.

Urdu is the lingua franca of Muslims across the sub continent. Why would we speak Punjabi when almost half our country isn't Punjabi? It makes more sense to use a language we all understand.

As for 1971, Hindustan suffered more casualties and didn't gain much (if anything at all). Also, that's just one war.

The real achievement is how Muslims dominated this region for over a thousand years, and took a permanent bite out of it which can never be taken back.

Even now, Islam is growing rapidly in Hindustan. It's only a matter of time before Hindustan becomes Muslim majority.

 

[!eon]

So, don't Balochs have majority in their own state of Balochistan

You are so unaware of Pakistan but want poke your nose in every matter of Pakistan

 

[Yogijaat]

There is nothing new about the Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and Balochi identities, together making up 90%+ of Pakistanis. In fact, we have preserved the language and cultures. Thanks for the concern.

Which brings me to the "Hindi speaking" people of North India.
Standard Hindi only came around in the 19th century, demanded by Hindu nationalists who couldn't come to terms with Urdu and the Persian script.
Your current culture is very much defined by the Mughals who were Muslim.
Even the name "India" came from a region foreign to the people of North India.

Its the British you have to thank for defining the modern North Indian identity. Good luck with your preservation goals.

Agree on sindhi, punjabi or balochis identities, they are very much Pakistani but these are geographical then genetical. The purpose of this thread is to prove that Indians and Pakistani are not same by blood and i very much agree on it. You are not us and you can't be us. A bhangi from Pakistan is different from bhangis of punjab because in Pakistan he may have been mixed with some higher cast and in the same way a Pakistani jat is different from Indian one cause he could be bhangi who has taken up a jat identity.
On language part people here tend to speak their regional language. Hindi is more common in delhi area and when people from different communicate with each other but accent changes region wise.