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Genetic Journey of a Pakistani

:wave:Islam is science as well ever read Quran's translation things now discovered were int he Quran for 1400 Years..

Don't tell me you support going to mars when its pre written this is the world and it'll end right here on planet earth.:whistle:unless you believe in something else..

apart from christians/hindus etc beliefs...

Prophet Muhammad P.B.U.H came as The Last Prophet and everything Prophecies already.. it started from earth it'll end here unless ofcourse you have a solid brief answer to support what's on the mars venus or jupitar for us all..

Your ID name Luft Waffe is what I talked about in my previous post other people have some Nazi ID name or quotes in their posts or ID.

Sure Hitler had some Arab/Croatian divisions in his military but you are not Arab or Coratian. You people are fooling yourselfs he would have killed you. You would be in the concentration camps and gas chambers along with the Jewish People.

By the way, what Hitler did to the Jewish people during WW2 was a crime against humanity. It was wrong and evil.
 
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KeenGuy...look i really have pity for you Google search luftwaffe and see the result Luft = Air Waffe = Weapon what is so offensive about it that you mentioned Nazi..
Luftwaffe is still here as the German Air Force not nazi air force idiot research your really getting on my nerves.

Gas chambers no proof they were used to kill people. Those gas chambers were mostly developed by polish..those gas chambers were used for disinfection of clothes..and test of those walls was done to find out if it had chemicals to kill human being and it was found out nothing that kills human was found but something that is used for disinfection. Don't argue with me here because its on record those gas chamber the way those are made there is no protection what so ever means if it was for killing people it would have killed even those German forces and scientists in charge of it..you are waste of time.
what america did to japan was crime against humanity forgot that?, i can list you nations who took part in crimes against humanity..don't be a twat..
 
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Try telling that to hundreds of innocent people who have being behind bars in U.S.A and recent advances in D.N.A. and genetic tests have proved them innocent.

DNA is facinating ... stuff research and development is wonderful
provided someone in Pakistan also bothers to do it

Every one investigate , but DNA also gives people a reason to discriminate becasue they can tell someone you are of a inferior DNA background ... it divides people more , as if we don't already have enough division

DNA research is great knowledge provided its used for right purpose
 
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Adopting Arabic as national language will immediately solve Pakistan's problem of Indian Cultural influences through TV and movies.

well right now the problem is at your end :)

Look at your movies and dramas, spoken language is 80% Urdu and the 20% of Sanskirt is added to certify it as Hindi.

Most of the actresses not only wear Western clothes but they also represent the Western culture. Remiaing of your famous actoresses wear Shalwar Qameez.

This is the response of Kareena Kapoor for favorite clothes:

Clothes?

Salwar kameez. I've crossed the stage of wearing minis and such clothes and have become more conscious of the way I dress.


INTERVIEW: KAREENA KAPOOR - Bollywood Hindi Tamil Telugu Indian Music Videos and News - SmasHits.com

Majority of your NRIs eat non-veg food and love Pakistani food, the same goes for your actors and cricketrs too.


This should be enough to explain that the educated people and those who have either come to Pakistan or those who have met with Pakistanis understand that there is a clear difference between Pakistanis and Indians.

I don't know why our indian friends forget their identity and try to find commonalities with Pakistanis.
 
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I am trying to figure out who exactly are we Pakistanis?
Where did we Pakistanis originate from?


We are not Arabs, Persians, Turks or Indians.. Who are we?

I found this article I found really interesting....

Pakistanis ignorance to their roots


"Desi" is a term popular amongst Pan-South Asians. It is used to refer to Dravidian, Dardic, and Indo-Aryan speakers. But strangely enough it does not apply to Iranic speakers (ie. Balochis, Pakhtuns) despite Iranic speakers in Pakistan sharing common linguistics, genetics with Indo-Aryan and Dardic speakers. (Search Indo-Iranic languages).
The word "desi" has no scientific acceptance in modern-day anthropology or linguistics. A Dardic-speaking Kashmiri has no linguistic relation to a Dravidian speaking Tamil. Dravidian languages belong to a completely different and un-related language family than Dardic and Indo-Aryan languages. Dardic and Indo-Aryan along with Iranic are part of the Indo-Iranic family of languages.
What's more is that genetically the Dravidians lack R1A genetic markers that are least found in Southern India (though some sources state Tamils have a significant R1A contribution than other Dravidian speakers; suggesting genetic contributors in their gene pool coming from more northwards) while Dardic and Iranic-speakers in Pakistan have it the most.
So clearly "Desis" are no more than a people of an imagination based on ignorance, pseudoscience and false political propaganda.

Pakistan's new generation face an identity tug of war between Islamic Mid-Easternization and Indianization. The problem is that Indian propaganda has reached even western historians; who are often manipulated & used to promote false historic propaganda created for political agendas. But today some are starting to question Indian pseudo-history. Such as the terms "partition of India" or the "ancientness" of so-called "Hinduism."
Many are even coming to the realization that these ideas were merely invented by the British. "India" and "Hinduism" did not exist prior to the 18th century. If they did exist as far back as pre-historic times, some ancient texts whether Bhuddist, Greek, Arabic, Sanskrit, Persian or any other would have mentioned this phenomenon.

Contrary to popular myth the history of "India" and "Hinduism" are works of fiction! Before the British occupied the subcontinent by force, there was no such religion as "hinduism" instead there were many distinct and diverse cults in the region that the British grouped into their terminology of "hinduism!"
The republic of "India" was formed in 1947 by joining together various princely states of the Peninsula into one country. The rest that refused to join (mainly Hyderabad, Goa, Junagara and then later on Kashmir, which triggered war with Pakistan) were invaded by military force.

Pakistani people on the other hand were a nation going back at least 3000 BC.
The maps showing the Indus Civilization -one of the oldest in the world- spread all over Pakistan. Most of the IVC's map coincides with that of Pakistan's present day map. It's main cities Harrappa, Mohinjadarro are also situated deep within Pakistan in various provinces.

Many Indian propagandists and Pan-'South Asian' Pakistanis blindly argue there was no border dividing the two lands. If we apply that logic, then most of the world was "one nation" as strictly defined, modern-day borders are a relatively new concept. Most of the world was not divided by internationally known borders as we know them today.
Indian propagandists also like to parade small sites like Lothal as "proof" of their claims on the IVC and other pre-historic Pakistani civilizations. While the IVC was based in Pakistan, it had colonies in Iran, Afghanistan, Turkmenistan, India but you don't see anyone claiming the IVC or Vedic as "Afghan" or "Iranian" civilizations.

Most Muslim countries/nations are proud of their pre-Islamic history and don't use their religion as a substitute for their identity. Not even the stateless Palestinians!
Egyptians are proud of their pre-Islamic and pre-Arab civilizations. Even the Catholic Italians are proud of Roman civilization, despite that it was not a Christian civilization till much after. Despite that the modern-day Italian state was established only in the 18th century. It's time Pakistanis do the same!

Before 1947 Pakistan did not have it's present-day name. But neither did India before the 1800s or Italy before the 1800s, neither did Afghanistan before 1747. But now that these are the current names of the lands and the people, they are used to apply to the same land and people in prehistoric times. The same logic can be applied for Pakistan. It is time the new generation of Pakistanis not make the mistake of their forefathers and learn about their roots which predate Islam by thousands of years. It should be passed on forever by each generation instead of being given away for free to history thieves eager to steal it.

Here are some basic facts on Pakistanis:
-They are mostly Caucasoid by skull type.

-They mainly speak Indo-Iranic languages. (up to 99%) . Balochi, Sindhi, Kashmiri, Punjabi, Undri (Urdu) and Pakhtun are Indo-Iranic languages as are all the other languages of Pakistan which descend from a common proto-Indo-Iranic language around the second milliniea BC.
Only Brahui (Dravidian), Baltistani (Sino-Tibetian), and Burusho (language isolate) are non-Indo-Iranic or even Indo-European, however it's speakers are not that genetically distinct from the rest of Pakistanis.

-They are geographically located around the Indus river.

-They formed a single civilization/nation from the days of the Indus Civilization from 3000BC till today.

-They carry common R1A genetic markers clearly indicating obvious common ancestry.
Mostly the north western Iranic speakers and the Dardic speakers are said to be closely related with a higher frequency of R1A genetic markers as opposed to the Indo-Aryan speaking population with slightly lower R1A frequencies (mainly Punjabis and Sindhis), however they are still all connected!

Even the non- Indo-European speaking populations - mainly the Brahuis, Hunzas (also called Burushos) and Baltistanis- do not stand much out genetically.
A brief analysis of a study at an American university on Pakistani genetics:
Y-Chromosomal DNA Variation in Pakistan
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History of Pakistan: Pakistanis ignorence to their roots
Lol at the author. He claims India is not homogenoeus but somehow decides that Pakistanis have always been a nation. True Hinduism was just a set of cults united by religious hatred. But that does not mean Indian cannot have a civilization or its ancient heritage. Huns made the most ruthless invaders at one time even though they were not known for other things. Civilizations thrived not because of their religion. Clear smell of 'India=Hindu' delusion.


One more 'I am the center of the world' article.

One great discovery and contribution by the article 'Pakistan had colonies in India, Turkmenistan blah blah during IVC.' :taz:

:rofl::rofl:
The irony is this article which claims to help Pakistanis come out of their confusion actually is a very good example of the same phenomenon.
 
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I dont like it when people bring religion in every debate including science.... nevermimd ...

YAY TO YOUR POST!! ;):D

Agree with you :)

We should remember; there are Pakistani Atheists,Christians,Hindus ect.We are all Paksitanis,and love our Country.We should respect one another regard less of religious beliefs.

Why is Islam brought up everywhere? I'm getting tired of seeing this every time a Pakistani want's to express his/her opinion :angry:....why are the People who want to expess their opinion brought down(Islam is used as a tool by ignorant people),and why are their opinion's not heard?
 
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Originally Posted by MilesTogo
Adopting Arabic as national language will immediately solve Pakistan's problem of Indian Cultural influences through TV and movies.

How can you say we should adopt Arbic as our language? We're NOT arabs!
 
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I also had my Genetic test for my family. We belong to Haplogroup L (Y-DNA) and Haplogroup M (mtDNA). I suggest that people who can afford should check their DNA.
 
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Lol at the author. He claims India is not homogenoeus but somehow decides that Pakistanis have always been a nation. True Hinduism was just a set of cults united by religious hatred. But that does not mean Indian cannot have a civilization or its ancient heritage. Huns made the most ruthless invaders at one time even though they were not known for other things. Civilizations thrived not because of their religion. Clear smell of 'India=Hindu' delusion.


One more 'I am the center of the world' article.

One great discovery and contribution by the article 'Pakistan had colonies in India, Turkmenistan blah blah during IVC.' :taz:


:rofl::rofl:
The irony is this article which claims to help Pakistanis come out of their confusion actually is a very good example of the same phenomenon.


Can you go to some indian forums? Why are indians here like a pack of wild dogs? Why are indians sooo jealous and obsessed about Pakistan and Pakistanis?

Indians are just guests on our forums...keep in your limits.
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Indians are just guests on our forums...keep in your limits.
:cheers:

Most new Pakistani members here start with what you have posted above. They soon realize that this is an open forum or alternatively they cant come to terms with it and get banned. You can choose your course. :angel:
 
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Can you go to some indian forums? Why are indians here like a pack of wild dogs? Why are indians sooo jealous and obsessed about Pakistan and Pakistanis?

Indians are just guests on our forums...keep in your limits.
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jealous of what? can you please let us know few couple of things of what we should be jealous.
 
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I also had my Genetic test for my family. We belong to Haplogroup L (Y-DNA) and Haplogroup M (mtDNA). I suggest that people who can afford should check their DNA.

may i ask what does that mean in a simple language?
 
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dnt knw about all pakistanis

bt pushtoons are frm the ten lost tribes of israel..
 
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