General Hayat at his best

[CriticalThought]

Concept of nationhood needs to be taught without a religious lens to ensure hostile agencies can't influence loyalties of Pakistanis. This needs to be done on war footing. Should have been addressed after TTP war.

If we call ourselves Muslims, then state cannot be separated from religion. The results of the irreligious programme are now well known: complete capitulation to foreign interests. The secular agenda is a thinly wrapped plan to make Pakistan subservient to foreign interests.

Old scores must be settled, otherwise, they will take it as a sign of weakness. We have lost 60k plus citizens, someone, somewhere has to pay with interest. This is necessary, so the deterrence is established for our future generations. We have already lost more then a decade in this hybrid warfare deployed against us, we cannot afford another cycle of it.

More importantly, we have been pushed backed by decades in terms of financial, educational, societal progress. Vengeance must be extracted, I agree.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Exactly!!
Keep on playing the back foot will not stop the enemies from doing so..

Its not just defensive approach but criminal incompetency.

Its doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that when enemy nations are going all out against your state and your people, you are in a state of war, and you must employ all arts of war against the enemy nations, including hybrid warfare. Pakistani state response in post 9/11 era is nothing short of criminal negligence. How can you stop the enemy nations when they don't fear your response against them?

 

[Windjammer]

Old scores must be settled, otherwise, they will take it as a sign of weakness. We have lost 60k plus citizens, someone, somewhere has to pay with interest. This is necessary, so the deterrence is established for our future generations. We have already lost more then a decade in this hybrid warfare deployed against us, we cannot afford another cycle of it.

Sad as it may seem but to some extent we have to blame ourselves for the losses, by getting involved in someone's else's war and a thankless one at that. Gradually we will get our house in order and then we will focus on the payback. Remember US is looking for excuse to pull out of Afghanistan, that will leave a vacuum and open playing fields for us to settle scores.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Sad as it may seem but to some extent we have to blame ourselves for the losses, by getting involved in someone's else's war and a thankless one at that. Gradually we will get our house in order and then we will focus on the payback. Remember US is looking for excuse to pull out of Afghanistan, that will leave a vacuum and open playing fields for us to settle scores.

I refuse to believe that state institution were not aware of which nations were behind the wave of terrorism that gripped our nation post 9/11, yet they let this false narrative build that it was some mad rag tag Mullahs who are the brains behind the mayhem. The amount of nonsensical memes I receive, to this day, on the killing of Mullana Sami Ul Haq, with hardly anyone I have come across having a mental capacity to comprehend that Mullana was killed because he was trying to facilitate peace talks in Afghansitan!

Every nation, without exception got internal vulnerability, the fault lines. You let your enemy nations exploit them, they will come back for more. Wonder why no one from outside incite the huge disgruntled black population of America?

 

[Menace2Society]

If we call ourselves Muslims, then state cannot be separated from religion. The results of the irreligious programme are now well known: complete capitulation to foreign interests. The secular agenda is a thinly wrapped plan to make Pakistan subservient to foreign

Yes I get that but the attack surface of the state has to be minimized. Right now there are too many avenues for hostile agencies to access such as corrupt politicans, religious right and ethnic focused political parties.

The immediate steps can be to outlaw any political parties founded on religious and ethnic lines. Inclusiveness of minorities in decision making.

The ultimate cure is giving people justice and strong nationalistic media.

 

[CriticalThought]

Yes I get that but the attack surface of the state has to be minimized. Right now there are too many avenues for hostile agencies to access such as corrupt politicans, religious right and ethnic focused political parties.

In short, we need nation building. Which starts from a properly designed curriculum of basic education, and then proper pedantry within the framework of that curriculum. Young minds are the best for teaching patriotism, rule of law, honesty etc.

 

[Zibago]

such a gem gemeral hayat------------ pity he was mot made COAS---

Nawaz didnt like him but it doesnot matter anymore

 

[Baghial]

Nawaz didnt like him but it doesnot matter anymore

Yes it does not matter....we always seem to put our own benefit..instead of national intreats first.....

 

[Zibago]

Yes it does not matter....we always seem to put our own benefit..instead of national intreats first.....

He wanted someone safe not aggressive he repeated his mistake

 

[TMA]

Its the responsibility of the state to educate its citizens about this sort of warfare, tell them who is who in enemy camp. Keeping citizens uneducated and unaware, can only backfire on state institutions. Masses still believe that its the mad mullah causing terrorism in post 9/11 Pakistan.

But there are traitors within the state apparatus....does Imran Khan know who they are?

 

[xyx007]

It is quite interesting that Asia-Pacific is the most valuable strategic location for Washington, in order to control this region skillfully. But, the development of CPEC and increasing Chinese influence in the region is highly distressing for the Americans. Mike Pompeo, has expressed strong discontent on the issue of CPEC in the following words, “make no mistake: we would be watching what the IMF does. There is no rationale for IMF tax dollars- and associated with, that American dollars that are part of the IMF funding- for those to go to bail out Chinese bondholders or China itself”. His warning unveiled the state of uneasiness the US in, seeing the footprints of China in South Asia through CPEC.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/31/pom...-tension-point-between-washington-beijin.html

It is an undeniable fact that Asia is the biggest continent on planet earth. Many international scholars and political analysts are of the view that Asia is undergoing a period of re-evolution. It is, therefore, speculated that this metamorphosis would inflict severe implications on the already ailing and flagging continent. But, another view which is more strongly reasoned is that Asia will re-emerge as a powerful continent in the ongoing century. The most significant factor of this change depends on the rise of China. Pakistan and China-Pakistan friendship is time-tested and cannot be dented through false accusations. Nevertheless, the hybrid warfare could extend and harbor certain implications which could only be managed by the two friendly states working together.

The antagonist forces have launched hybrid warfare to halt the progress of CPEC project. John Mecklin has rightly committed that hybrid warfare is a new technique implied on the international level that “can combine Internet-enabled propaganda, a global ‘dark web’ of encrypted communications, cyber attacks, positive and negative economic pressure, espionage, irregular military action, and other efforts that aim to advance political interests without progressing to full-scale war.”
https://thebulletin.org/2017/09/introduction-the-evolving-threat-of-hybrid-war/

India, on the other hand, is flexing its muscles and employing nefarious strategies like irregular tactics, using conventional small weapons, criminal behavior and terrorism The Kulbashan Jhadave case comes to mind to thwart the CPEC project.
https://thediplomat.com/2018/01/wha...out-india-and-pakistans-balochistan-problems/

Furthermore has appointed paid cliques for spreading false information, regarding the project. Such as that, China is right now turning Pakistan into its colony and yielding 90 percent benefits from it. Or that China will abandon Pakistan once CPEC materializes.
https://nation.com.pk/13-Oct-2018/pakistan-rejects-western-media-portrayal-of-cpec
https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/264155-social-media-feeds-fake-news-to-mainstream-media
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201810/26/WS5bd26873a310eff303284a6e.html
New Delhi is also involved in propagating the negative image of CPEC to disrupt its progress and spread disbelief amongst masses regarding the aforementioned project.
https://timesofislamabad.com/08-Aug-2018/why-india-fear-and-oppose-cpec
RAW has been involved in facilitating terrorist attacks on CPEC sites to impede the progress and terrorizing the investing team.
https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/B...Pakistan-s-need-to-reassure-China-on-security
https://www.dawn.com/news/1251860
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/08/10/quetta-blast-sabotaging-china-pakistan-economic-corridor/
Any project which can enhance the strength of the Chinese in regional or international affairs is highly distressing for the Americans. It is a fact that CPEC would reduce China’s dependence on the notorious Strait of Malacca where American hegemony is obvious. China is enduring to increase her sphere of influence in the Asia-pacific and started pursuing its strategic objectives there. China is also flexing its muscles to defeat any aggression and power which can subdue its objectives in South Asia.

 

[LeGenD]

I refuse to believe that state institution were not aware of which nations were behind the wave of terrorism that gripped our nation post 9/11, yet they let this false narrative build that it was some mad rag tag Mullahs who are the brains behind the mayhem. The amount of nonsensical memes I receive, to this day, on the killing of Mullana Sami Ul Haq, with hardly anyone I have come across having a mental capacity to comprehend that Mullana was killed because he was trying to facilitate peace talks in Afghansitan!

Every nation, without exception got internal vulnerability, the fault lines. You let your enemy nations exploit them, they will come back for more. Wonder why no one from outside incite the huge disgruntled black population of America?

Bro,

Biggest threat is of radicalism - period. Radicalism in all of its forms - is dangerous. And it starts with "narrative building."

When groups like Al-Qaeda Network, TTP and ISIS are discussed, people normally assume a bunch of rag tag Mullahs. Ground realities are absolutely different.

Food for thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ecruits-world-bank-study-education-boko-haram
https://www.nber.org/digest/sep02/w9074.html

In fact, read the book of Pervez Musharraf - In the Line of Fire.

"Instead of viewing terrorism as a direct response to low market opportunities or ignorance, we suggest it is more accurately viewed as a response to political conditions and long-standing feelings (either perceived or real) of indignity and frustration that have little to do with economics." - NBER

This whole hybrid warfare stuff is not something the masses are supposed to look into. Agencies exist for a reason, and they are responsible. People will continue to use Tweeter, Android, Facebook, Internet, Google in their daily lives (and try to act all patriotic in online platforms) without realizing that these very tools are instruments of espionage and politics in current times.

Politically brainwashing the masses into believing that the entire War On Terror was just a facade and was imposed on Pakistan in order to ruin it - is dangerous and misleading. This conditioning absolve Pakistani people from any semblance of responsibility and introspection.

How Afghanistan turned into a shithole?
Why Zia regime embraced CIA-led Operation Cyclone? Did it construct a false narrative to justify its decision?
How Al-Qaeda Network formed?
How Al-Qaeda Network established its foothold in Afghanistan?
Why Pakistan joined US-led War On Terror?
What are the contributions of Pakistan in War On Terror?

So many questions come to mind. And we need to study history in order to find meaningful answers. We also need to promote a culture of introspection. People who do not learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them until the nation lay in ruins.

Pakistan is supposed to be a part of International Community, and shun Cold War era mentality of compartmentalization. Chinese are not Jaazbaati people like us - they are not putting all of their eggs in the same basket. For example: https://thediplomat.com/2018/04/thailands-kra-canal-chinas-way-around-the-malacca-strait/

China is looking forward to having constructive relations with the entire world, and here some Pakistani want to restrict their worldview to CPEC only and spread paranoia under its name.

The only country with which we have long-term enmity is India. If any country would truly benefit from destroying Pakistan - it would be India. It is important for us to be vigilant in this regard and defeat its games through a combination of sound policies (role of citizens) and through relevant agencies (role of security forces).

And it is extremely important to develop connections - with a large number of countries worldwide. Foreign investment is the key. We need to fix our economic woes on a priority basis in order to convince a large number of countries to invest in Pakistan.

Pakistan can have a constructive relationship with US as well - US is not India [to us]. Let us just say that War On Terror in Afghanistan (and Pakistan) was a bad phase for both countries. Pakistan just needs to make sure that Al-Qaeda Network 2.0 does not emerge in Afghanistan in the future, and avoid taking sides in any Cold War - not our headache.

Think big (and positive) and do not compartmentalize your worldview; not good for our country or multiply our adversaries will.

@xyx007

 

[Taimoor Khan]

But there are traitors within the state apparatus....does Imran Khan know who they are?

Traitors and so called liberals western influenced elites who are nothing more then useful idiots. The likes of Musharaff and the people who he propped up both in civil and military. When you have slave mind, you lose the capacity to make right decisions. In their own minds, they were doing great service to Pakistan, but when you start thinking like your enemies, latch on their narrative to worst, parrot the same lines, then you become a liability to the state.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Bro,

Biggest threat is of radicalism - period. Radicalism in all of its forms - is dangerous. And it starts with "narrative building."

When groups like Al-Qaeda Network, TTP and ISIS are discussed, people normally assume a bunch of rag tag Mullahs. Ground realities are absolutely different.

Food for thought:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ecruits-world-bank-study-education-boko-haram
https://www.nber.org/digest/sep02/w9074.html

In fact, read the book of Pervez Musharraf - In the Line of Fire.

"Instead of viewing terrorism as a direct response to low market opportunities or ignorance, we suggest it is more accurately viewed as a response to political conditions and long-standing feelings (either perceived or real) of indignity and frustration that have little to do with economics." - NBER

This whole hybrid warfare stuff is not something the masses are supposed to look into. Agencies exist for a reason, and they are responsible. People will continue to use Tweeter, Android, Facebook, Internet, Google in their daily lives (and try to act all patriotic in online platforms) without realizing that these very tools are instruments of espionage and politics in current times.

Politically brainwashing the masses into believing that the entire War On Terror was just a facade and was imposed on Pakistan in order to ruin it - is dangerous and misleading. This conditioning absolve Pakistani people from any semblance of responsibility and introspection.

How Afghanistan turned into a shithole?
Why Zia regime embraced CIA-led Operation Cyclone? Did it construct a false narrative to justify its decision?
How Al-Qaeda Network formed?
How Al-Qaeda Network established its foothold in Afghanistan?
Why Pakistan joined US-led War On Terror?
What are the contributions of Pakistan in War On Terror?

So many questions come to mind. And we need to study history in order to find meaningful answers. We also need to promote a culture of introspection. People who do not learn from past mistakes are doomed to repeat them until the nation lay in ruins.

Pakistan is supposed to be a part of International Community, and shun Cold War era mentality of compartmentalization. Chinese are not Jaazbaati people like us - they are not putting all of their eggs in the same basket. For example: https://thediplomat.com/2018/04/thailands-kra-canal-chinas-way-around-the-malacca-strait/

China is looking forward to having constructive relations with the entire world, and here some Pakistani want to restrict their worldview to CPEC only and spread paranoia under its name.

The only country with which we have long-term enmity is India. If any country would truly benefit from destroying Pakistan - it would be India. It is important for us to be vigilant in this regard and defeat its games through a combination of sound policies (role of citizens) and through relevant agencies (role of security forces).

And it is extremely important to develop connections - with a large number of countries worldwide. Foreign investment is the key. We need to fix our economic woes on a priority basis in order to convince a large number of countries to invest in Pakistan.

Pakistan can have a constructive relationship with US as well - US is not India [to us]. Let us just say that War On Terror in Afghanistan (and Pakistan) was a bad phase for both countries. Pakistan just needs to make sure that Al-Qaeda Network 2.0 does not emerge in Afghanistan in the future, and avoid taking sides in any Cold War - not our headache.

Think big (and positive) and do not compartmentalize your worldview; not good for our country or multiply our adversaries will.

@xyx007

Mate, I am not going to dwell too much on this. I want you to put your mind back in time, divide the recent history of Pakistan in two phsases, post and pre 9/11. You had Afghan Taliban in control of Afghanistan for 5 years in post 9/11, and that is the time you have complete control of geopolitics of this region. No terrorism or seperative moments in Pakistan. You had Indians by balls. Then you have another phase, where suddenly Afghan Taliban became terrorist just because Uncle sam said so, You didn't want to negotiate with them because uncle sam said, "we do not negotiate with terrorists"!! Remember this famous line? And here you are, those terrorists are sitting on the table negotiating with all powers to be, including America.

If you believe that those 60K citizens lost, huge loses to economy and infra and lack of investment because of some so called radicals elements working on their own, and not part of a great game being played, organised and sponsored at much higher level, you are giving too much importance to mad mullahs. I will keep it simple, CIA-Mossad-RAW nexus. This is the curx of all problem. If you are not willing to deal with them ruthlessly , you are not going to win this war on terror.

 

[TMA]

Mate, I am not going to dwell too much on this. I want you to put your mind back in time, divide the recent history of Pakistan in two phsases, post and pre 9/11. You had Afghan Taliban in control of Afghanistan for 5 years in post 9/11, and that is the time you have complete control of geopolitics of this region. No terrorism or seperative moments in Pakistan. You had Indians by balls. Then you have another phase, where suddenly Afghan Taliban became terrorist just because Uncle sam said so, You didn't want to negotiate with them because uncle sam said, "we do not negotiate with terrorists"!! Remember this famous line? And here you are, those terrorists are sitting on the table negotiating with all powers to be, including America.

If you believe that those 60K citizens lost, huge loses to economy and infra and lack of investment because of some so called radicals elements working on their own, and not part of a great game being played, organised and sponsored at much higher level, you are giving too much importance to mad mullahs. I will keep it simple, CIA-Mossad-RAW nexus. This is the curx of all problem. If you are not willing to deal with them ruthlessly , you are not going to win this war on terror.

People often forget when NATO invaded Afghanistan caused and is causing real instability to Pakistan. Radicalism was always there. What was not there was a bunch of foreign armies covertly succouring destability.
Of course radicalism is a problem...but one man's radicalism is another's comfort....