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Gen Rtd: Hamid Gull's Analysis.

This is a war on our home which we can deal with WOT is a war which goes beyond our borders and its not Ours !!




Post your soruce, (Tribals have fought for Pakistan .)



BW is just one , there are more thugs involved & you see the weapons , sophisticated explosives ie C-4 , Sattelite Photos discovered in FATA , Night vision googles , Where the hell do you think are they coming from and how these TTP rocklickers get to know how to use them ??



Dont tell it to any Ex PAF Pilot:lol:

Our Missiles can hit targets from 80km to 2500kms.




Well we weren't talking about Simplicity of this operation (if done) in the first place , i was just telling you if we are able to strike or not and yes we are.

Everything happens in the war & we will destroy their Economical zones completely.

Regards:

ohh ya and there will be much of Pakistan left after that lol Grow up.
 
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You need to read the whole god damn conversation before sticking your nose in this discussion.

Thanks:pakistan:

i did and im not very keen of being part your over patriotic conversation, just because you have missiles and jets does not mean you can use them. India is far superior economically and militarily, the use of nuclear force by Pakistan will spell the end for your country in every way.
 
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Azfar & Mani Show with Gen (R) Hamid Gull.

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i did and im not very keen of being part your over patriotic conversation, just because you have missiles and jets does not mean you can use them. India is far superior economically and militarily, the use of nuclear force by Pakistan will spell the end for your country in every way.

Bail out pal.
 
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i rather wish there were more people like you than this nut head Hamid Gul. Keep up the good work bro :)

One thing what i noticed is that the individuals like some here at the forum and some on the media (Hassan Nisar co.) are very liked by Indian friends. :tdown:
and coming to the topic.
Hameed gul was chief of I.S.I and most people whom i meet say the thinking of I.S.I. or any secret agency people start where the thinking of common man like us ends. so calling his views old, or critising H.G is not a wise thing to do.
and i personally think that a guy like H.G cannot be retired through out his life........
though now offecialy Rtd.
the people were critising him when he said america is coming to afghanistan for his death or america is trapped that was in 2005 . but now the circumstances show how much he knows about the situation.
L@!Q
 
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i did and im not very keen of being part your over patriotic conversation, just because you have missiles and jets does not mean you can use them. India is far superior economically and militarily, the use of nuclear force by Pakistan will spell the end for your country in every way.

We are ready try it:flame::flame::flame:
 
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Gul is "misguided" for winning a War against the Soviet Commies and quietly accepting and agreeing to be cornered and forcefully retired, but Musharraf the "more" knowledgeable rebellious dictator is the "enlightened" one for hijacking the country with his gang of thugs, and over throwing a democratically elected Govn't, and later imposing a war on the country costing 10s of thousands of innocent lives.

Yes, yes, Gul singlehandedly won the war against the Soviets with his super human talents. No one else was involved. Gimme a friggin' break.

Gul hijacked the country when he formed the IJI to undermine a democratically elected government. This is on record. Many politicians have now come out and openly admitted that Gul's men gave them money to fund campaigns against the PPP. Gul was also involved in the wrongful character assassination of political leaders him and his godfather had an issue with. The most lewd sort of materials were published and distributed on his instructions. But now, of course, he becomes the champion of Islam very conveniently.

Even today, Gul is hijacking the goals of the present military establishment yet again by being the mouthpiece for the Afghan Taliban. He keeps talking about a state of "confusion" where the people don't "know the enemy". Well, I think we clearly know who the enemy is. It's people like him who are indirectly weakening the hand of the military and sabotaging the operations in progress by claiming that the Hakeemullah/Baitullah brigade would "stand shoulder to shoulder" with the Pakistan Army, that they are "assets" and the war against them is "unnatural". These are all things he says in his interview. Do you think the war against the TTP is an unnatural campaign against our assets? This is bull$hit and an insult to the men and women laying down their lives to defend this country. Mr. Gul needs to put a lid on Pan-Islamist dreams of conquering the world.

Gul is misguiding people by painting the Afghan Taliban in a positive light and by making statements such as, "The Taliban are the future of Afghanistan". He doesn't have a beard. He himself would be whipped with his head shaved bare were he living under Afghan Taliban rule. This is what they did to the soccer team that went visiting during their rule... or do you now conveniently forget the wonders of the Afghan Taliban during the time of the "Khilafat" or the one eyed so called emir-al-momineen.

Finally, he is borderline mad. He actually says in this video interview, "I wish America would attack Pakistan... at least it will end the confusion". What am asinine, moronic statement... this is completely out of line, incoherent thinking that is far removed from the policy and approach of the present military establishment in the country.

What would happen if Indians start cursing Gen Kayani? Would you take them to the task or simply ignore that as well just as you do ignore their mindless rants against rtd Gen Gul?

Abusive language is not tolerated here. Against anyone. Would you like for it to be otherwise?

So being higher in rank really means having more knowledge? And by virtue of being in a higher authority translates to superiority in knowledge? Going by this logic, the supreme leader and president of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, is then more knowledgeable than Musharraf I guess.

Well, you either didn't read what I wrote or failed to comprehend it. Gen. Musharraf was the COAS AND the President. Zardari is not the COAS, and hopefully that's not news to you. My other point was that Musharraf ran things for a much longer period of time and more recently. By every measure, the access he had to more relevant and current information far exceeds what Gul would be privy to. By Gul's own admission in this video interview, the current high command of the armed forces - including the COAS and the CJCSC - refuse to even speak to him. There must be something perverted in his thinking when he is repeatedly shunned by even the military establishment.


Your logic is clearly failing the litmus test here.


God knows who is the satan, but your comment is paradoxical. On one hand Musharraf massacred the Mullahs for openly beating the prostitutes in the streets killing many innocents in the process and on the other hand he completely let the TTP thugs roam freely and take over cities in the back. But then maybe to you buldozing a mosque run by a few misguided fools and killing them and many innocents is more important than conceding territory to alien TTP thugs.

I don't see a paradox. I'll gladly add the TTP to the list of those I wish to see "go up in a puff of smoke" to borrow a phrase from Gen. Gul.

TTP should be bombed until it is annihilated. No argument there. There were army ops launched during Musharraf's tenure, but there was a large segment of society under the influence of the illiterate Jamaat and Jamiat mullahs who kept thinking that the TTP was really comprised of "innocent" or at worst, "misguided" people. That was a bunch of crap, as it has now been borne out. All these right wing sw1nes with nothing better to do in life than to bomb and kill need to be eliminated.

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Hameed gul was chief of I.S.I and most people whom i meet say the thinking of I.S.I. or any secret agency people start where the thinking of common man like us ends.

Yes true...very true....

so calling his views old, or critising H.G is not a wise thing to do.

Absolutely wrong...One always has to apply his brain when believing something...Just an example he himself is saying that he is being shunned by your COAS...

and i personally think that a guy like H.G cannot be retired through out his life........ though now offecialy Rtd.
Classified information are shared on need to know basis...So assuming that once a chief will always have access to classified information is flawed logic..This is totally against the working of Intelligence Agencies...


the people were critising him when he said america is coming to afghanistan for his death or america is trapped that was in 2005 . but now the circumstances show how much he knows about the situation. L@!Q

These are Statements that make you feel good nothing else...How come America is trapped??? As far as i know that Pakistan has lost three times more soldiers than NATO in this war on terror...her economy is in shambles and needed bail out from World Bank as compared to NATO who is still going good there...I think you are pointing out to NATO exit but don't you think this is more of their internal politics(Obama won election based on such promises) instead they are loosing war...
 
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It is so very easy to stray off topic here because the man under discussion here is ex ISI chief and an important one. Seems like a mix bag, people here like him and some don't. Honestly i think most of us here cannot judge Hameed Gul because we simply are not in a position to judge him, the decisions he made can only be judged if we have the same info on which his decisions were based. Like it or not he was at a very important post and some of his actions might have had a significant effect on the future events of the world. All i know about the man is that he speaks his mind, had he done any wrong or been unfaithful to his country he would have been overseas and not in Pakistan, atleast he is not a hypocrate... he supported fight against USSR in Afghanistan and his sons also went there to fight. The armed struggle in Kashmire started during the late 80's at a time when the Afghan Jihad was in full swing and supported by the whole world. The mujahedin were then used through out 90's to make the Indian Army suffer in Kashmire and is said that Hameed Gul was behind it, so he has been India's tormentor hence no surprise in seeing Indians here trying to bash him. On another note @ TechLahore you have taken various statments from different interviews and not taken them in context. Hameed Gul has NEVER supported the TTP infact on many occasions he has said that TTP is helped by various outsiders and TTP have no link to Afghan Taliban and are an enemy of Pakistan. So what ever you have said about his support for TTP is absolute crap... FALSE statment and i am sure you will not be able to provide a single interview where he says that Batullah and TTP are an Asset of Pakistan but he has surely said that they are Assets of RAW and Mossad.
 
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TechLahore[/B] you have taken various statments from different interviews and not taken them in context. Hameed Gul has NEVER supported the TTP infact on many occasions he has said that TTP is helped by various outsiders and TTP have no link to Afghan Taliban and are an enemy of Pakistan. So what ever you have said about his support for TTP is absolute crap... FALSE statment and i am sure you will not be able to provide a single interview where he says that Batullah and TTP are an Asset of Pakistan but he has surely said that they are Assets of RAW and Mossad.

Complete hogwash and nonsense. If you havent listened to the videos that's not my problem. Listen to them again. Specifically, the video in post 10, he clearly says that baitullah fazlullah etc. Will 'once again' (phir) unite with us. He also says that they have been artificially separated from us. Then listen to video 4 at 7:02 in post 2 where he again says that we are harming our assets on both sides (army and terrorists)
 
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i dont think we are able to fight both fronts at the same time.. afghanistan and india i mean.. so when he says we r ruining our assets on both sides he means that strategically.
You will not understand that caz unfortunately just like experts say our intelligence stops where their begins.
We live in the present only and their job is secure the future aswell.

He was the ISI cheif for a reason and that reason surely does not include writing blogs etc etc
 
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... had he done any wrong or been unfaithful to his country he would have been overseas and not in Pakistan, atleast he is not a hypocrate... .
A nice way to judge a person,,, Like, Why Mushi is sitting outside Pakistan!!!

Long before H.Gul said on TV, that Mushi's military take over was planned to pave the way for Afghan invasion by US, I had said same in my circles... Initially I was deceived by this traitor "Musharaf"... soon I found his real face hidden behind slogans "sab say pehlay Pakistan"... In fact H.Gul said in an interview that Mushraf was cleverly told to keep harping such slogans to make him look credible,,, Traitor Musharaf didn't do a single solid longlasting thing for Pakistan,,, take the DAMs for example,,, he with all his powers could have easily develepod few dams for us,,, All so-called prosperity we saw during his time was artificial hypes in stock-index, property prices and money-transfered by ex-pats coz of post-911 scare,,,


"Black Blood" I went thu all ur posts & I agree with every single point u made. I myself love Hamid Gul's ideology. Thanks for the thread.
 
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