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Gen (R) Hamid Gul Blasts Geo & Geo’s Love Affair with India While Sitting on Geo

'Bro, if you want to see from a single angle, then no one can tell you. You have to try other angles.
why not??
lol
you know where you will end if you answer those questions truthfully.

I misunderstood the question then. I thought you wanted an answer in relation to Pakistan.
In absolute terms, the status of women is different in rural and urban India.
In urban India, their status is equal to that of men.
In rural India, while legally their status is equal, but society has not evolved enough for this to happen. They are still second class citizens.
legally the status of women is same as men in pakistan as well.
so in urban india women are considered same as women in the west?? and are you also saying that they are treated better then women in pakistan urban areas?
 
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legally the status of women is same as men in pakistan as well.
No. For example in inheritance laws. I believe women can only get half the property that men inherit from their parents by default ie without a will, women will inherit half that of her brother.
Or that women will get half the property of men in case of divorce. You have a mehr system in which women basically end up getting the shaft if they divorce.

These are examples to show that there is gender discrimination in Pakistani laws. Women are legally not equal to men.

so in urban india women are considered same as women in the west?? and are you also saying that they are treated better then women in pakistan urban areas?
I wont compare with the west yet because women participation in work force in urban India is still lower than West. Ultimately women empowerment comes from being able to work - which leads to financial independence and diversity of acquaintances and therefore thought.

But yes, women in urban India are far more empowered than women in Pakistani urban areas. Pakistani urban areas have a much lower women work force participation, literacy and as I mentioned, the laws are not equal for men and women in Pakistan.
 
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No. For example in inheritance laws. I believe women can only get half the property that men inherit from their parents by default ie without a will, women will inherit half that of her brother.
Or that women will get half the property of men in case of divorce. You have a mehr system in which women basically end up getting the shaft if they divorce.

These are examples to show that there is gender discrimination in Pakistani laws. Women are legally not equal to men.


I wont compare with the west yet because women participation in work force in urban India is still lower than West. Ultimately women empowerment comes from being able to work - which leads to financial independence and diversity of acquaintances and therefore thought.

But yes, women in urban India are far more empowered than women in Pakistani urban areas. Pakistani urban areas have a much lower women work force participation, literacy and as I mentioned, the laws are not equal for men and women in Pakistan.
Stay with the topic sir?
which isnt is the women laws in south east asia?
 
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No. For example in inheritance laws. I believe women can only get half the property that men inherit from their parents by default ie without a will, women will inherit half that of her brother.
Or that women will get half the property of men in case of divorce. You have a mehr system in which women basically end up getting the shaft if they divorce.

These are examples to show that there is gender discrimination in Pakistani laws. Women are legally not equal to men.
who told you this? lol.. women get the same inheritance as man as far i know..
I'm am not sure about the divorce part.
@Akheilos

I wont compare with the west yet because women participation in work force in urban India is still lower than West. Ultimately women empowerment comes from being able to work - which leads to financial independence and diversity of acquaintances and therefore thought.

But yes, women in urban India are far more empowered than women in Pakistani urban areas. Pakistani urban areas have a much lower women work force participation, literacy and as I mentioned, the laws are not equal for men and women in Pakistan.

the situation of women in both india and pakistan is about the same… you can lie to yourself all you want but you know its true my friend.
check out @Akheilos she is a pakistani girl.. and i can confirm it. she is from a conservative family yet she has the freedom to do as she pleases.
 
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who told you this? lol.. women get the same inheritance as man as far i know..
I'm am not sure about the divorce part.
@Akheilos



the situation of women in both india and pakistan is about the same… you can lie to yourself all you want but you know its true my friend.
check out @Akheilos she is a pakistani girl.. and i can confirm it. she is from a conservative family yet she has the freedom to do as she pleases.

Another one of your countrymen wrote in a blog for Dawn that he was really surprised to see number of women driving cars and two wheelers in India.Wasim Akram said he saw more girls on scooties driving from airport to his hotel in Chandigarh than in whole of Pakistan.

Are they lying ?
 
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Wasim Akram said he saw more girls on scooties driving from airport to his hotel in Chandigarh than in whole of Pakistan.
Because in Pakistan women drive cars and as far as I know none like riding a scootie nor is it fashionable like that in India
 
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Another one of your countrymen wrote in a blog for Dawn that he was really surprised to see number of women driving cars and two wheelers in India.Wasim Akram said he saw more girls on scooties driving from airport to his hotel in Chandigarh than in whole of Pakistan.

Are they lying ?
Will be reported, next time check out the subject of the thread & take out your trash somewhere else ?
 
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who told you this? lol.. women get the same inheritance as man as far i know..
I'm am not sure about the divorce part.
@Akheilos
He is right...women get half why? coz women if married get from their husband too while if unmarried get from the brother who got twice as much as she....but she doesnt have to share (not obliged unlike the brother who is obliged to spend on the women under him- mom and unmarried sisters as well as wife - if married) her half unless she wants to...
 
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who told you this? lol.. women get the same inheritance as man as far i know..
I'm am not sure about the divorce part.

the situation of women in both india and pakistan is about the same… you can lie to yourself all you want but you know its true my friend.
check out she is a pakistani girl.. and i can confirm it. she is from a conservative family yet she has the freedom to do as she pleases.
My friend, we can discuss this on another thread.
 
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@qamar1990 As for divorce....

The mehr is supposed to be given before the marriage is consummated (according to Shariah) but many give it on divorce....

And this is why SHE or her parents have full haq to ask as much as they want and if man cant afford it he shouldnt marry a woman who will ask above his hasiat coz then she will continue on that path...

As for women it is stated not to ask too much and not to be greedy...

I am not sure of the portioning of the wealth on divorce ...However, if there are children the father is obliged to pay for the kids...and the also is supposed to give some money for support of wife...I am not sure of the full details....



check out @Akheilos she is a pakistani girl.. and i can confirm it. she is from a conservative family yet she has the freedom to do as she pleases.
thank you bro

How about cycles ?
It is not a trend much..until and unless it is a cycle in the gym or its like for kids or teenagers...The cycling trend has come back a little in moderate families...but many women still prefer the car over anything....
 
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@qamar1990

And for divorced women is a provision according to what is acceptable - a duty upon the righteous.

Surah Baqarah verse 241

So woman gets provision even after divorce...

First, the mahr is the dowry given to the bride at the time of marriage before consummation takes place.[30] She is not required to share this dowry and is free to do what she wishes with the gift. Cultural traditions often shape the dowry gift because there are essentially no requirements other than the actual giving of the dowry. For example, some cultures encourage cash payments while others traditionally give one of the groom’s family heirlooms to the bride. The families involved will typically discuss the dowry and their individual expectations. The bride is often asked her opinion to make sure she receives a gift she enjoys. However, the actual mahr will take many different forms and practitioners who review Muslim marriage contracts will see a variety of items being given as the mahr.

Muakhr is the second type of dowry that is given upon the death of the husband or the couple’s divorce. This is also referred to as the “deferred” dowry. Muakhr is meant for both financial support and as a large consequence that the couple should consider when contemplating divorce. In situations of death, this amount is paid out before the estate is divided. If the estate cannot cover the entire amount, the wife is entitled to collect the amount from the husband’s surviving family members who are also heirs to the estate. She can also waive the obligation for any reason, including hardship on her husband’s family.

Women’s property is not divided during a divorce. Whatever a woman earns or is given before and during the course of the marriage remains her property if the marriage ends. This prevents men from taking advantage of women’s property or wealth through marriage. On the other hand, the man’s property is divided if a divorce occurs according to the couple’s marriage contract.[60] A woman is entitled to support and maintenance from her former husband if she requires. There are also special instructions if divorce occurs before the marriage is consummated and before or after the dowry is set.

Women’s Rights in Islam Regarding Marriage and Divorce | Journal of Law & Practice


The beginning of the same article also highlights this bit which I am can summarize as what I have been telling in almost every thread...Please take the Indianess out of Islam:


There are many misconceptions surrounding women’s rights in Islam. The purpose of this article is to shed some light on the basic rights of women in Islam in the context of marriage and divorce. This article is only to be viewed as a basic outline of women’s rights in Islam regarding marriage and divorce. Muslim clients’ situations will vary greatly depending on what Islamic School of Thought (Hanafi, Hanbali, Maliki, and Shafi) they follow, whether they are Sunni or Shiite, their cultural traditions, and a variety of other factors.

It is also important to understand that the religion of Islam and people’s cultural traditions are two very different factors. A major pitfall for practitioners is confusing cultural practices with religious beliefs. Many attorneys make the major mistake of assuming that all of a Muslim’s manners and practices are related to Islam. In fact, many Muslims are heavily influenced by their individual cultural backgrounds. Islam is an extremely culturally diverse religion. American Muslims alone hail from countries all over Africa, the Middle East, Asia, Europe, and many are born in the United States with a variety of ethnic backgrounds.
It is also important not to over generalize cultural practices. A client’s conduct could simply be a family tradition or a common practice in a small region that is not representative of an entire country or people. Islam is by no means a homogeneous religion. The most effective advocates who routinely work with Muslims are practitioners who are open minded and take their clients as individuals.
 
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The old fart Hamid Bull (Gul means flower; the name Gul does not fit this moron) still selling the same old chooran of militaristic jingoism. He forgot he was in bed with the CIA during Afghan War.

This idiot has lost all rights of preaching patriotism after what has happened to Pakistan due to the Afghan War. This nincompoop has been a real CIA asset; yet he has the nerves to call others as traitors.
 
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