Geelani slams Pakistan for its Kashmir policy

[American Pakistani]

Still you cant do any thing for them ??? really sad

Isn't it funny that even when Pakistan can't do anything for them still india's massive army is sitting in Maqbooza Kashmir munching free foods & reciving free paystubs while north east has become out of control with everyone demanding independence

 

[Ammyy]

Isn't it funny that even when Pakistan can't do anything for them still india's massive army is sitting in Maqbooza Kashmir munching free foods & reciving free paystubs while north east has become out of control with everyone demanding independence

When anything you mention become reality then come and talk, Kashmiri realize that you are not able to do any thing for them this is the topic of this thread.

 

[American Pakistani]

I am replying to webby's opinion about having a good relationship with India and in the meantime support Kashmiries..

I dont mind you freeze all relationship with us.. The loss will be your's..

Your support on Kashmir is not having the effect which it used to have..

On the other hand.. Improving relationship with India will help you improve trade with us which is beneficial for both of us..

The reality is that status quo of Kashmir is not going to change unless something unusual happens..


Can you translate what you told in Urdu/ Hindi??

Pakistan loss is in having trade relations with india. Pakistan will become dependent on india if it import electricity, petroleum, railway engines, etc. India will use Pakistan's own water to generate electricity & sell it to Pakistan.

Also cheap zero quality indian goods will flood Pakistani markets & alot of Pakistani industries will have to shut down. Not to mention trade deficit which will be in favour of india. So it will be Pakistan's loss & india's gain.

When anything you mention become reality then come and talk, Kashmiri realize that you are not able to do any thing for them this is the topic of this thread.

The topic of the thread is that Kashmiris are very much active in Pakistani politics & even they (like common Pakistanis) understand that Pakistan best govt is military govt not democrazy.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

BD was never a part of Pakistan go & visit appropriate threads for that & don't derail the thread. Siachen you tried to occupy & sneak into Pakistan without declaration. Also india cross the borders several times but was thrash out.



Who knows that they vote or the elections are bogus. There is no neutral source that says they give up.

I am amazed how people can sleep with eyes open
There are various sources for u to deal with truth about Elections. They vote in droves, Kashmiri students are more interested in IAS more than anything, whether u accept it or believe in propaganda.
The truth is separitist do not enjoy "majority" support. Thats y they were routed in every elections.

Moreover u continue to ignore how Pakistanis were caught by kashmiris and handed over to army in '65 !!

 

[American Pakistani]

I am amazed how people can sleep with eyes open
There are various sources for u to deal with truth about Elections. They vote in droves, Kashmiri students are more interested in IAS more than anything, whether u accept it or believe in propaganda.
The truth is separitist do not enjoy "majority" support. Thats y they were routed in every elections.

Yes i posted the pictures of ghosts. BTW your w3t dreams are amazing

 

[Hulk]

Is he not able to see peace in kashmir ???

Terrorism is almost dead in kashmir and tourism is increasing day by day I think this old man is not able to digest this.

Isno apni prime minister ki ambition jayda pyari hai.

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

Yes i posted the pictures of ghosts. BTW your w3t dreams are amazing

Ya ya i was dreaming when Pakistanis were caught by Kashmiris and handed over to army in 65 war. and in 99 the same Kashmiris was the one who noticed and informed to army about incursion.

And u say i am dreaming. Carry on ur sleep buddy.

 

[American Pakistani]

Ya ya i was dreaming when Pakistanis were caught by Kashmiris and handed over to army in 65 war. and in 99 the same Kashmiris was the one who noticed and informed to army about incursion.

And u say i am dreaming. Carry on ur sleep buddy.

Self made fairy tales are only good for 5 year olds.

 

[SQ8]

I have close friends from the Indian Kashmir side, and all testify that the era of armed struggle has been left behind.
There is a large number that does support Geelani in his motives but the concept by far and large for all Kashmiris is not give up the freedom struggle, rather change the gear.
This is being done through a rather similar approach as was taken during the freedom struggle with the British.. get involved with India, get educated.. use India's own platforms including public representation and the media to push the issue and win autonomy through it. History is testament that such struggles are a lot more successful than those taken under arms.
After all, if the Indian people are convinced that what they are doing is unjust and the Kashmiris only wish for greater autonomy..
that both India and Pakistan can continue to "control" the military aspects as long as the Kashmiris are allowed to control their economic and growth futures.. control their own resources.. then there is a victory within it..and eventually both India and Pakistan will back off and let Kashmir be.

 

[Hulk]

I have close friends from the Indian Kashmir side, and all testify that the era of armed struggle has been left behind.
There is a large number that does support Geelani in his motives but the concept by far and large for all Kashmiris is not give up the freedom struggle, rather change the gear.
This is being done through a rather similar approach as was taken during the freedom struggle with the British.. get involved with India, get educated.. use India's own platforms including public representation and the media to push the issue and win autonomy through it. History is testament that such struggles are a lot more successful than those taken under arms.
After all, if the Indian people are convinced that what they are doing is unjust and the Kashmiris only wish for greater autonomy..
that both India and Pakistan can continue to "control" the military aspects as long as the Kashmiris are allowed to control their economic and growth futures.. control their own resources.. then there is a victory within it..and eventually both India and Pakistan will back off and let Kashmir be.

Peaceful process is most welcomed. When you use violence attention is diverted on violence and not cause.

 

[SQ8]

Peaceful process is most welcomed. When you use violence attention is diverted on violence and not cause.

Yes and No.. the violence was initially useful to actually bring a suppressed cause to the attention of the world.
that there is actually a cause.. whether or not it was just or unjust.. there is one.
After all, if OBL just wrote articles or protested in streets no one would care about him. In his despicable act, he did announce his cause to the world. And in an ironic way, brought the attention back to the grievances in Palestine.
There has been a greater support for the Palestine cause in the western world AFTER people started investigating the root causes of why people like OBL and organizations like Al-Qaeda emerged.

The same way, the acts of terrorism did incite a need for greater transparency within the Indian states actions in the Kashmir region.

 

[Hulk]

Yes and No.. the violence was initially useful to actually bring a suppressed cause to the attention of the world.
that there is actually a cause.. whether or not it was just or unjust.. there is one.
After all, if OBL just wrote articles or protested in streets no one would care about him. In his despicable act, he did announce his cause to the world. And in an ironic way, brought the attention back to the grievances in Palestine.
There has been a greater support for the Palestine cause in the western world AFTER people started investigating the root causes of why people like OBL and organizations like Al-Qaeda emerged.

The same way, the acts of terrorism did incite a need for greater transparency within the Indian states actions in the Kashmir region.

You have a very strong point but you raise the point but then you lose the high ground too. See now that Kashmir cause is linked with terrorism, not only they did violence in Kashmir but also out Kashmir and other parts of India. Today in the world no-one gives a damn about Kashmir cause. It is fact, that none cares. Also people see that Pakistan has its own interest in Kashmir cause, which actually harms it.

In real world not everyone gets what they want and this is how the world works. Think if everyone had the right to chose their country it would be messy situation in world. People has to accept that not every time, you will get what you want, sometimes it is better to compromise for the sake of everyone.

If there is no violence in Kashmir, they have the most rights in this world. None other place or country has this right given to its citizen that no external entity can buy land. In fact of Kashmir becomes independence they will repeal this law themselves.

Peace has its merit, if peace exists and everyone lives happily, a small issue of which country you should be should be ignored.

 

[SQ8]

You have a very strong point but you raise the point but then you lose the high ground too. See now that Kashmir cause is linked with terrorism, not only they did violence in Kashmir but also out Kashmir and other parts of India. Today in the world no-one gives a damn about Kashmir cause. It is fact, that none cares. Also people see that Pakistan has its own interest in Kashmir cause, which actually harms it.

In real world not everyone gets what they want and this is how the world works. Think if everyone had the right to chose their country it would be messy situation in world. People has to accept that not every time, you will get what you want, sometimes it is better to compromise for the sake of everyone.

If there is no violence in Kashmir, they have the most rights in this world. None other place or country has this right given to its citizen that no external entity can buy land. In fact of Kashmir becomes independence they will repeal this law themselves.

Peace has its merit, if peace exists and everyone lives happily, a small issue of which country you should be should be ignored.

They did during the peak of the 90's. However, the "visionaries" behind this cause failed to evolve it along with the times.
After 2001 there was a massive backtrack on support for all forms of attacks on civilians and terror tactics.
Every tactic has its timeline, bowling reverse swing all the time will eventually lead to you being thrashed across the boundaries for four eventually. Similarly.. the tactic to using terror as the means to vent the frustration in the struggle eventually wore out its usefulness and support. ..and became counter productive to the issue.
Look at hamas, it baits the Israeli's into using excessive force which is then broadcasted all over the world for support.
A similar tactic could have been used when the IA used heavy handed tactics to suppress protests and strikes.. pictures could have been taken and forwarded to the media. but no such effort was made beyond the propaganda machines.
Its not that the tactic was not effective, its just that it would not ALWAYS be effective.