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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

Yes, which alone is not enough in warfare today.

Like the kind of havoc the Taliban wrecked on NATO? what are you talking about? Gaza Palestinians have also learned to maintain constant rocket fire on Israel when they choose, despite the presence of ISraeli airforce crafts such as fighter jets and drones. Israeli military is glaringly incompetent against Gaza militants. amazing!

they said the Leopard was the best tank then came the Challenger and now the Merkava 4 and US is too frightened to even field the Abram

Western equipment is overrate and Israeli general even admitted they hype their equipment to give them a psychological edge over the enemies

a rag tag group of men just annihilated one of the best militaries in the World

I just wonder if Israel will give its donors a full and transparent explanation of where exactly the billions in aid money is going

How could such a lapse happen on the part of intelligence?? Palestinians literally 'descended from air' using paragliders upon their targets. How could such blatant activities in broad daylight be missed by Israeli surveillance??

because guts is enough

Hezbollah humiliated them in 2006

Israeli have never been good at fighting men only women and kids
 
They don't have or carry large amounts of explosives to do something like that. There wasn't even a single one of them with an RPG. Impossible to destroy 70 tons of armor with a couple of AKs.

There were lots of jerry cans around - so open turret, empty out fuel into armoured vehicle and drop a match, or a grenade afterwards ? It doesn't take much to cook off a armoured vehicle full of things are meant to go "bang.."

Just weird to me ... thats all.
 
How could such a lapse happen on the part of intelligence?? Palestinians literally 'descended from air' using paragliders upon their targets. How could such blatant activities in broad daylight be missed by Israeli surveillance??

Are you guys going to copy Mossad?

Yes, but Irasel can also do a lot under the excuse of the destruction of these weapons, and it can deny any settlement but still get support from the Western world, while the whole world hates Jihadists, their suicide bombings, their killing of civilians. Just look how Muslim fanatics are killing innocent people in Europe by hitting them with cars etc. and then saying Allahu Akbar.

The Israelis are already oppressing and killing the Palestinians day and night. LOL The Western world has always supported Israel over Palestine.

Which whole world are you talking about? The Western countries are not the entire world. Many countries in the world support Palestinian cause. That includes many non-Islamic countries. Even today after these attacks.

You guys have been colonising and invading countries for a very long time. You reap what you sow.
 
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zzHezbollah have 1/4 million rockets ready for Israel

you can expect MASSIVE Israeli casualties if Hezbollah enters this fight and Iran will also not be too far away

Israel will be very heavily punished if it tries to escalate this war

Yes, they can harm Israel a bit with their rockets, but they cannot defeat Israel.
In 2006, Hezbollah perhaps did not have a defeat on the borders, but it indeed got the defeat financially. Hizbollah was unable to stop Israel from bombing all road infrastructures, bridges, important buildings etc. The damage was huge and Hezbollah was defeated there.

Since 2006, Hezbollah has avoided any direct confrontation with Israel, while it can still today bomb Hezbollah's infrastructure and no one can stop Israel.
 
One of the great things about social media is that everyone exposes their true feelings to the world.

Too many Muslims around the world have been unaware of the real nature of Hindus. They thought it was just an India-Pakistan conflict. But now the hate Hindus have for all Muslims is there for everyone to see. I hope all Muslim countries start treating India as an enemy. If not the governments, at least the Muslim public.

Twitter is full of Hindus supporting Israel, just because it’s killing Muslims.

 
One of the great things about social media is that everyone exposes their true feelings to the world.

Too many Muslims around the world have been unaware of the real nature of Hindus. They thought it was just an India-Pakistan conflict. But now the hate Hindus have for all Muslims is there for everyone to see. I hope all Muslim countries start treating India as an enemy. If not the governments, at least the Muslim public.

Twitter is full of Hindus supporting Israel, just because it’s killing Muslims.


two idol worshipping nation are brothers

Zionist worshipped the Golden Calf and Hindu also worship the Cow

both are pagans
 
I don think Palestinians would do such a open attack without a back up plan

I believe this is a diversion from the main attack which Hezbollah is about to carry out

I also don’t think Hamas expected this much success and abandonment by Israeli military. It was a complete embarrassment. Unprecedented since 1973. They are literally learning what to do as they go.

I don’t see Hezbollah entering this war without provocation.
 

From hubris to humiliation: The 10 hours that shocked Israel​

The Palestinian blitzkrieg is a military failure and a political catastrophe for Israel of colossal proportions.

Published On 7 Oct 20237 Oct 2023

epa10904860 Palestinians ride an Israeli military jeep in the streets of Gaza during the storming of Israeli settlements by militants of the Ezz Al-Din Al Qassam militia, the military wing of Hamas movement, Gaza city, 07 October 2023. Rocket barrages were launched from the Gaza Strip early Saturday in a surprise attack claimed by the Islamist movement Hamas. EPA-EFE/HAITHAM IMAD

Palestinians ride an Israeli military vehicle in the streets of Gaza amid a military operation launched by Hamas in southern Israel on October 7, 2023 [EPA/Haitham Imad]
A few days after Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu delivered a boastful speech at the United Nations, announcing the establishment of a new Middle East centred around Israel and its new Arab partners, the Palestinians, whom he totally omitted from his fantasy regional map, dealt him and Israel a fatal blow, politically and strategically.
The Palestinian resistance movement Hamas launched a meticulously planned, well-executed lightning incursion from Gaza into Israel, by air, sea and land. In tandem with thousands of missiles fired towards Israeli targets, hundreds of Palestinian fighters attacked Israeli military and civilian areas in the southern part of the country, which led to the killing of at least 100 Israelis and the capture of dozens of Israeli soldiers and civilians as hostages.
Hamas’s objectives in the operation are no secret: First, retaliate and punish Israel for its occupation, oppression, illegal settlement, and desecration of Palestinian religious symbols, especially Al-Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem; second, take aim at Arab normalisation with Israel that embraces its apartheid regime in the region; and lastly, secure another prisoner exchange in order to get as many Palestinian political prisoners released from Israeli jails as possible.
It is worth recalling that Hamas’s leader in the Gaza Strip, Yahya al-Sinwar, who spent more than two decades in Israeli prison, was released in a prisoner exchange. Mohammed Deif, the head of Hamas military arm, like many other Palestinians, lost loved ones to Israeli violence – an infant son, a three-year-old daughter and his wife. Therefore, there is also a clearly a punitive and vengeful aspect to the operation.
In that sense, the attack may have been incredibly shocking, but it was hardly surprising.
Hubris has finally caught up with Israel and its arrogant leaders, who long thought themselves invincible and repeatedly underestimated their enemies. Since the “surprise” Arab attack of October 1973, successive Israeli leaders have been shocked and awed, again and again, by what the people they oppressed have been capable of.

They were caught unprepared by the Lebanese resistance after the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982, by the Palestinian Intifadas in the 1980s and the 2000s, and by the Palestinian resistance after more than five decades of Israeli occupation and four successive wars on Gaza.
Clearly, the Israeli military and civilian leadership also did not expect Hamas’s massive operation, its success representing a major Israeli intelligence and military failure. Despite Israel’s sophisticated network of spies, drones, and surveillance technology, it could not detect and preempt the attack.
But the damage done to Israel goes beyond the intelligence and military flop; it is also a political and psychological catastrophe. The invincible state has shown itself vulnerable, weak, and terribly impotent, which will not go down well for its plans to be a regional leader of a new Middle East.
Images of Israelis fleeing their homes and towns in fear will be ingrained in their collective memory for many years to come. Today was probably the worst day in Israel’s history. An utter humiliation.

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Netanyahu, the spin doctor, will not be able to change that regardless of how he spins it. Israel will not get a chance to undo what the world saw on Saturday morning: a frantic country lost to its own fantastical delusions.

Israel’s military establishment will no doubt try to recover the strategic and military initiative from Hamas by immediately dealing it a major military blow. As it has done in the past, it will undertake severe bombardment and assassination campaigns, leading to great suffering and countless casualties among the Palestinians. And as it has happened in the past again and again, this will not destroy the Palestinian resistance.
That is why, Israel may consider redeploying its military to Palestinian cities, towns and refugee camps across the Gaza Strip and the West Bank under the pretext of finishing off Hamas and other Palestinian factions.
Such a full takeover is the historic wish of the more fanatic members of Israel’s ruling coalition, who want to destroy the Palestinian Authority, take direct control of the entirety of historical Palestine or what they call “The Greater Land of Israel”, and carry out ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians.
That would be a big mistake. It would lead to a full-fledged asymmetrical war, and in the process, isolate Israel like never before. Even Western leaders, which have thus far supported Netanyahu, expressing more of the same transparently hypocritical solidarity with Israeli apartheid, may begin to distance themselves from the Israeli government.
Already, Israel’s scandalous humiliation is undermining its strategic and political standing in the region. Arab regimes that normalised relations with Israel and are partnering with the Netanyahu government appear more foolish with every passing hour.

Desperate to reverse his personal failure and maintain his fragile coalition, Netanyahu is sure to overreact, and in the process will alienate more of his new and potential regional partners.
Whichever way this goes, Netanyahu’s legacy will be marred by failure. He may well take his Palestinian counterpart, the octogenarian Mahmoud Abbas, along with him down the drain of history.
Abbas, too, is failing politically, trying to toe the line between condemning the Israeli occupation and coordinating security with it. Such a balancing act is no longer tenable.
But the change that is coming is about more than personalities; it is about the two peoples as a whole, and whether they want to live in peace or die fighting. The time and space for anything in between have passed.
The Palestinians have made it clear today that they would rather fight on their feet for justice and freedom than die on their knees in humiliation. It is high time the Israelis heed the lessons of history.
 

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