Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[aziqbal]

Best course is to allow all communities to exist. Allah Almighty have given so much to Muslims in terms of lands and resources and even changed Qibla. But some are not satisfied and want to claim everything of significance out there. I am not sure how this is a good solution and going to work. Allah Almighty have given Muslims a great opportunity to grow and prosper but how many are paying heed to this blessing? There is a limit to everything. Never take Godly gifts for granted for he can take them away as well because he does not reward corruption and arrogance. Hadith have hinted many scenarios so picking and choosing among them is not helpful. This world is ancient and humanity will not last forever. Nobody has a permanent claim on this world. Focus should be on spirituality.

If Israel is wiped out, what is next? How is this helpful to Islamic cause? The situation might become a lot worse because this development might set the stage for another form of much deadlier conflict. But who can explain this to hot heads.

I have prayed in Al Aqsa in 2016 and I was allowed to enter and pray without any issues because I was part of a British delegation while Palestinians can’t

I had more rights then the indigenous people this is the root cause of the problem.

I have never wanted Israel to wiped off the map and I love and respect my Jewish brothers as I do with the Christian’s

You are making a huge misconception here

This is about equal rights of the people of the land

Israeli are Zionist and you have seen the protests by real Jews against Israel

Zionist Christian and Zionist Jews are the problem here

You can keep silent and be questioned on the day of judgement when asked what did you do for the oppressed

Or you can some action like giving charity to Palestine and keep your faith intact

 

[LeGenD]

When you ask "what comes next?" And how you think the priority is to not free millions of muslims from oppression. But I probably just have a small mind. I'm just a simple guy

This is a clash for nationhood, not for the right of Muslims to exist. Correct your narrative.

 

[Yawm al-qiyāma]

I am sure Turkey wants the war to de-escalate but I this "surrounding the airbase" narrative is laughable. The state is strong no matter the case.

Atleast people are trying to do something i dont expect your sympathies but you dont have to ridicule them. By the way this humanitarian aid organisation is the same that organised the Mavi Marmara. So i would’nt underestimate them.

 

[thetutle]

This is a clash for nationhood, not for the right of Muslims to exist. Correct your narrative.

Nationhood is the only framework that is guaranteed to give people the right to exist as muslims. Just ask the jews what it was like without a nation.

 

[LeGenD]

Atleast people are trying to do something you dont have to ridicule them. By the way this humanitarian aid organisation is the same that organised the Mavi Marmara. So i would’nt underestimate them.

I am not ridiculing them.

Nationhood is the only framework that is guaranteed to give people the right to exist as muslims. Just ask the jews what it was like without a nation.

Muslims have many nation states of their own. The right of Muslims to exist is not under threat due to situation in Palestine.

 

[Yawm al-qiyāma]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720210679284572417

 

[thetutle]

Muslims have many nation states of their own. The right of Muslims to exist is not under threat due to situation in Palestine.

I suppose. but their right to exist in that geographical area is under threat.

 

[Yawm al-qiyāma]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720338529920631235

this little angel from Idlib donated her earring for the Palestinian people

 

[LeGenD]

I suppose. but their right to exist in that geographical area is under threat.

This is right.

This piece of land does have significance for Jews though and they have reclaimed it after many years - these people will not go down without a fight. This war might produce significant and possibly terrible cascading effects that are not being taken into account.

Who knew that Soviet invasion of Afghanistan will produce such cascading effects and give birth to terrorism on the scale not witnessed before? A seemingly dry and barren piece of land.

I am just worried about what the hell this conflict will lead to.

 

[kingQamaR]

I am not ridiculing them.


Muslims have many nation states of their own. The right of Muslims to exist is not under threat due to situation in Palestine.

So anyone can convert to Judaism and claim
"the land of their ancestors "

What a joke

 

[LeGenD]

So anyone can convert to Judaism and claim
"the land of their ancestors "

What a joke

Muslims have a strong claim on Saudi Arabian lands, right? How is the claim of Jews on Palestinian lands any different? I do not appreciate this double standard even as a Muslim. It will be helpful to study other religions and understand how people think.

 

[IblinI]

Israel has gone so far, they are in a mess now, all their display of power does not serve anymore...

This things happens when you underplay justice and the law of proportionality. Gaza destruction and the goal of expel 2,5 million of gazans from Gaza is pure madness.

Verbally attacked Rus/China ambassador in UN, asking the UN chief to resigned, named everyone who doesn't side with them terrorist supporters, the so called smart Jewish.

HAMAS FIGHTERS WALK UP TO ISRAELI TANK AND PLACE EXPLOSIVE ON THE TANK, HOLY SHIT

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720148064898310357

https://twitter.com/x/status/1720151110608929074

THE COURAGE OF THESE MEN IS UNBELIEVABLE, THEY DON'T HAVE F-35 JETS TO CARPET BOMB AN AREA BEFORE THEY ENTER IN TANKS

This video went viral on Chinese social media, all praising their bravery! It brings up the memory of how our ancestors with lack of anti tank means fought against the Japanese invaders during WW2.

 

[FuturePAF]

These are symbolic moves approved by the state. Makes no difference whatsoever.

Exactly, symbolic moves. If something serious is to be done, Palestinian groups have to name and shame regimes in the region to do tangible things that would change the status quo, such as Turkey cutting off the oil pipeline from Azerbaijan that supplies oil to Israel. Or in the case of Incirlik, the expulsion of non-Turkish warplanes. Anything short just looks like moves approved by the Turkish state to allow the public to vent or look like they are venting their anger.

 

[kingQamaR]

Muslims have a strong claim on Saudi Arabian lands, right? How is the claim of Jews on Palestinian lands any different? I do not appreciate this double standard even as a Muslim. It will be helpful to study other religions and understand how people think.

Ok then most of Europe belongs to the Celts and Romans and Romans also claim north Africa along with Greece and then lots of land also belongs to Mongolians. How far back in history do appeasers wanna go back in defending Jewish claim myth

It’s all a Zionist scam

 

[Mustang125]

Stop LYING

Where have i said israel supplied weapons to hamas

I have mentioned per Israeli officials Israel helped to create hamas to weaken the PLO, so go take it up with the Israeli officials.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/


Show proof where I said I support hamas attacks, you are a twisted liar. I have only said violent resistance is allowed under international law when under occupation but I gave a clear criteria. That applies for all human beings.


Where are Muslims demanding that non Muslims should be allowed to convert in non Muslim countries? There are plenty churches and temples and other religious places littered across Muslim lands. This topic is about the conflict in gaza STOP trying to derail the thread.

Your arguments are weak, generalised made up by your own subjective experience. They have more holes than swiss cheese.

Its clear you know little about Islam if you really want to discuss the topic open another thread.


Now let me ask you some questions,

Do you condemn the indiscriminate killing of civilians by the IDF?

Do you condemn the racist apartheid set up Israel is imposing on the Palestinians ?

Do you condemn the genocidal racist language being used and carried out by Israeli leaders, political, religious army and by general Israeli supporters as well.

Do you accept the Palestinians should have a home on the 1967 borders will full control to their land?

He is a troll who is here to derail this thread brother, don’t feed him