Gates says ISI playing double game, CIA backs ‘effective’ drone attacks

[S-2]

aj,

You haven't been reading my thread about the Americans (open link, please) patrolling in the Korengal.

We patrol ALL THE TIME. If you're going to make gratuitious slams at our TTPs (tactics, techniques, and procedures) I'd appreciate a modicum of knowledge.

A.M., as suspected, here's the link. More from C.J. Chivers of the NYT in the Korengal with B Co. 1-26 Infantry-

Arms Given By U.S. May Be Falling Into Taliban Hands-NYT

Very good story, btw, and hope you read it for more NYT-tainted background on ammo. Chivers is good.

 

[HAIDER]

If the weapons are falling in Taliban so easily means,boys using drug too much and sell their weapon for drug. Plus ammo dump security is not enough. Or some time back wages of Afghan soldiers some time push them to sell weapons. As we all know Karazai govt is most corrupt govt. From first day President Obama is looking to change this guy.

 

[batmannow]

old & rubbish frame of mind , which was supported by CIA, its kind of theory which was thought , & most of the plans were bassed on this , but from now on , it should be taken out from the minds of the peoples who are working in the USA admin!
so we can fight the terror with full trust among both of the nations!

 

[S-2]

I see you found Chivers NYT article and posted it elsewhere. Cool. Sorry but I didn't see it as a thread and didn't feel like searching further.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Very good story, btw, and hope you read it for more NYT-tainted background on ammo. Chivers is good.

I did read it in the NYT - I always try and find the original articles when they are referenced in the Pakistani and Indian press to read the entire thing in context, instead of the snippets used to push certain agenda's.

The NYT, and US media in general, is not horrible when it comes to reporting on most things US - its primarily their reporting about Pakistan, especially the NYT's usage of 'anonymous intelligence sources', that has often been nonsensical and tabloidish.

The Judith Miller episode has either been forgotten very quickly, or it has been deliberately pushed to the background deliberately since the negative reporting about Pakistan fits in with existing biases and misconceptions.

Look up Farid Zakaria in Anderson Cooper360 last night for example - the snake that he is, trashed and negated thoroughly by Musharraf on his show, he resorted to lies and distortions on 360 last night, with Peter Bergen and AC joining in the lies.

I have to agree with Muse on this - if the NYT is using true intelligence sources, then the US administration and establishment is either being duplicitous, or is so undisciplined that it cannot maintain a singular message and stop people from blabbing about whatever.

I believe its the former - as I pointed out to you before, after the rather candid conversations with Mullen and Hollbrooke on their visit to Pakistan, the NYT went silent on the 'ISI supporting the Taliban' stories (this has to be the longest stretch yet without one, so we should expect one soon ).

The US establishment has pushed its foreign policy agenda through manipulating the media quite successfully - we saw that in the run up to Iraq, and we are seeing that now as well.

On an NPR show last week some 'analysts & experts' all but said that Mullen and the administration were lying when they said that Pakistan's nukes were secure.

On this issue at least, your media is pretty much the equivalent of the tabloidish, Taliban sympathizing Geo news channel in Pakistan - clutching at straws and distorting whatever it can to push a particular agenda.

 

[HAIDER]

Look up Farid Zakaria in Anderson Cooper360 last night for example - the snake that he is, trashed and negated thoroughly by Musharraf on his show, he resorted to lies and distortions on 360 last night, with Peter Bergen and AC joining in the lies.

Well watch part of show, but every positive outcome from PA has been negated. Even minor achievement video been showing as some PA dramatized propaganda on western media. If media is creating so much hype in building the mistrust between two nation and Joint Services then where we stand in war on terror ? Which is now Pakistan claimed the ownership ?..In next episode of war in terror, Pakistan going to claim the NATO failure in Afghanistan too ?

 

[muse]

Haider

It is clear that there a number of different power centers among U.S intelligence community and policy makers - that is to say that have rogue players in the U.S. intelligence community and policy makers.

U.S. have objected to the characterization of them as engaging in "double speak" in an effort to destabilize, this has left them in an unfavorable position; either they must grant that they have been engaged in this behaviour or public opinon are left to conclude that there is inadequate control over U.S. intelligence community.

The connection between certain elements of the U.S intelligence community with the NYT, among other media, is an example of the ongoing disconnect certain sections of the U.S intelligence community is experiencing with U.S policy. This is exemplified by repeated instances in which senior U.S officials have had to offer corrections to sensationalist stories. There is already a section of the public that suspects that these rogue elements of U.S intelligence community are financing and facilitating terror in Pakistan. Such perceptions will only grow should the U.S. fail to bring these rogues under control, the perception that the U.S is engaged in a double deal, that is to say destabilizing and undermining the Pakistani state, even as publicly states that it seeks to befriend the Pakistani state

It will remain to be seen if the U.S can exercise full control among those elements in it's intelligence community who are determined to create mis-perceptions and distrust among Pakistan and U.S. and by doing so to ensure that relations do not stand a chance of being put on institutional framework.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Haider

It is clear that there a number of different power centers among U.S intelligence community and policy makers - that is to say that have rogue players in the U.S. intelligence community and policy makers.

U.S. have objected to the characterization of them as engaging in "double speak" in an effort to destabilize, this has left them in an unfavorable position; either they must grant that they have been engaged in this behaviour or public opinon are left to conclude that there is inadequate control over U.S. intelligence community.

The connection between certain elements of the U.S intelligence community with the NYT, among other media, is an example of the ongoing disconnect certain sections of the U.S intelligence community is experiencing with U.S policy. This is exemplified by repeated instances in which senior U.S officials have had to offer corrections to sensationalist stories. There is already a section of the public that suspects that these rogue elements of U.S intelligence community are financing and facilitating terror in Pakistan. Such perceptions will only grow should the U.S. fail to bring these rogues under control, the perception that the U.S is engaged in a double deal, that is to say destabilizing and undermining the Pakistani state, even as publicly states that it seeks to befriend the Pakistani state

It will remain to be seen if the U.S can exercise full control among those elements in it's intelligence community who are determined to create mis-perceptions and distrust among Pakistan and U.S. and by doing so to ensure that relations do not stand a chance of being put on institutional framework.

Thats a plausible scenario - the issue may not be 'duplicity' by the US leadership, as I argued, but one of competing ideologies, with one set of views represented by the views we see being pushed in the media, despite the administration issuing corrections.

Or we have given the US media way too much credit over the years, and at their core they really are trashy, sensationalism chasing, Geo TV clones.