Gang violence Hits All-Time High Across England and Wales

[Mandalorian_CA]

Buddy, try making a gang there and see what happens.

nothing happens, they just deport you.

 

[jamahir]

This is just another sign of the slow decline the West is in...

The East too, South Asia especially, also has its own problems. South Asia is not some harmonious, gentle region.

Blaming rap music is like blaming video games for violence.

Among the reasons for crime, Rap music, especially Gangsta Rap, certainly contributes to normalizing aggressiveness and that increases to normalize gang activity.

All that rap music is an act does not correlate to reality just like movies.

Someone can also say that professional boxing is also a harmless sport, but in reality, normalizing of an activity that involves two people beating each other up in the middle of a cheering crowd, well, this also normalizes aggression and the consequent crime at some level.

 

[313ghazi]

I say both

The UK has had criminal gangs and gang violence, long before it had multiple cultures. The flavelas of Brazil, the Italian mafia in Sicily, all pretty homogenous places, yet riddled with crime. The colour of peoples skin doesn't make someone criminal, neither does moving from one place to another. It's always a mixture of moral decay and poverty which creates the conditions for crime to thrive.

If Suburban Britain wasn't snorting coke up it's nose faster than a dyson vacuum cleaner - there wouldn't be a market for drugs and there would be a lot less gang violence. Supply and demand also plays it's part.

Blaming rap music is like blaming video games for violence.

All that rap music is an act does not correlate to reality just like movies.

I agree. Rap is a reflection of the society the artist grew up in (or increasingly is merely "representing").

The East too, South Asia especially, also has its own problems. South Asia is not some harmonious, gentle region.

Among the reasons for crime, Rap music, especially Gangsta Rap, certainly contributes to normalizing aggressiveness and that increases to normalize gang activity.

Someone can also say that professional boxing is also a harmless sport, but in reality, normalizing of an activity that involves two people beating each other up in the middle of a cheering crowd, well, this also normalizes aggression and the consequent crime at some level.

For as long as there has been mankind there has been competition between man and aggression is a natural part of that competition. If anything societies are less competitive and aggressive now that they were in the past; because we have more resources, which are generally wider distributed.

It's no co-incidence that the levels of violence/criminality are higher in areas were these resources are not distributed as much. Boxing, rap music etc is not to blame for that.

 

[pak-marine]

Britain once a great place has turned into a shit hole

 

[313ghazi]

Britain once a great place has turned into a shit hole

Not really. These things are still pretty rare and impact a very small minority of people.

Britain is a country of 60 million people - 650 people were murdered last year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50925024

That's comparable to France, Germany.

 

[jamahir]

The UK has had criminal gangs and gang violence, long before it had multiple cultures. The flavelas of Brazil, the Italian mafia in Sicily, all pretty homogenous places, yet riddled with crime. The colour of peoples skin doesn't make someone criminal, neither does moving from one place to another. It's always a mixture of moral decay and poverty which creates the conditions for crime to thrive.

Agreed.

If Suburban Britain wasn't snorting coke up it's nose faster than a dyson vacuum cleaner

- there wouldn't be a market for drugs and there would be a lot less gang violence. Supply and demand also plays it's part.

Agreed.

For as long as there has been mankind there has been competition between man and aggression is a natural part of that competition. If anything societies are less competitive and aggressive now that they were in the past; because we have more resources, which are generally wider distributed.

It's no co-incidence that the levels of violence/criminality are higher in areas were these resources are not distributed as much. Boxing, rap music etc is not to blame for that.

So why do you think Britain has this stabbings problem ?? After all, Britain is not so poor and spent 40.2 billion pounds on its military budget alone in 2019.

 

[pak-marine]

Not really. These things are still pretty rare and impact a very small minority of people.

Britain is a country of 60 million people - 650 people were murdered last year.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-50925024

That's comparable to France, Germany.

true its a lovely place and its huge but its sad to see violence escalating at such Alarming levels , hope they can control before this gets out of hand and spreads further

 

[313ghazi]

Agreed.







Agreed.



So why do you think Britain has this stabbings problem ?? After all, Britain is not so poor and spent 40.2 billion pounds on its military budget alone in 2019.

I don't think there is a massive problem, but there is a rise, it is being reported and that nowadays means sensationalism around the subject.

Why knives specifically? They are easily attainable, whereas the availability of firearms is restricted. They are cheap, you can buy one for next to nothing, but renting a gun from the underworld is not possible for most criminals and even if it is, it's expensive. Also nobody hears a knife going into someone, not the same way people hear gunshots. Gun crime brings more serious police attention.

Also for the criminal kind the risks of being caught with a knife are low. There are limited police patrols, they almost never search anyone anymore (I've been stopped by police twice in my life, both times for traffic offences, never been searched). Yes there are jail sentences for those caught with knives, but often these are not imposed (the jails are full, the sentencing guidelines are adjusted to try to avoid sending people to jail).

Criminality pays. I know a man who sent to prison for selling cocaine, this is his third offence. He's previously been in prison for assult, and then for money laundering. He was currently out on bail when he was caught dealing drugs. He's been doing it for years - well known drug dealer. The police estimated he had earnt upwards of £80,000; I suspect he's made two or three times that. He was ordered to pay back £19,000 or face an another year on his sentence. In total he was sentenced for a measly 5 years. Hardcore criminal, 5 years in prison. He'll be out in 2-3 years under the UK prison regulations.

If he's made £150K-200K; what is 3 years in prison to him? outside of criminality this man would barely make £15,000 a year - through drugs he's making maybe 5-6 times that.

Crime pays in Britain, that is why there is an increase in it.