Gandhi the real Gandhi. EXPOSED!

[roadrunner]

To remain calm and composed in the face of injustice is the biggest gift a person can have. Its easy to lose your cool and go berserk. However, to use your mind effectively, you have to control your anger and emotions.

Stop being such an idealistic fairy. Too much bollywood drama for you

People do not fight back because they are too afraid to in 99% of cases.

 

[Flintlock]

Quotes by the Mahatma:

Always aim at complete harmony of thought and word and deed. Always aim at purifying your thoughts and everything will be well.

Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.

Hate the sin, love the sinner.

Honest differences are often a healthy sign of progress.

I cannot teach you violence, as I do not myself believe in it. I can only teach you not to bow your heads before any one even at the cost of your life.

I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.

Indolence is a delightful but distressing state; we must be doing something to be happy.

Strength does not come from physical capacity. It comes from an indomitable will.

You must not lose faith in humanity. Humanity is an ocean; if a few drops of the ocean are dirty, the ocean does not become dirty.

Victory attained by violence is tantamount to a defeat, for it is momentary.

The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.

Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is very important that you do it.

One needs to be slow to form convictions, but once formed they must be defended against the heaviest odds.

It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of nonviolence to cover impotence.

 

[Flintlock]

Stop being such an idealistic fairy. Too much bollywood drama for you

I"m not. Its the truth plain and simple. This is wisdom beyond the realm of petty everyday battles that we fight over our petty differences.

 

[Logic note]

And the movement for Independence of Sub-Continent was initialy launched by Muslims.

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Its such a pitty that Indians try not to give Muslims their due appreciation for mainly leading the Independent movement or what the Britishers called Mutiny.[/B]

Sepoy Mutiny was not Launched by Muslim .. it was revolt by both Hindus and muslims .. Mangal Pandey started the spark and was carried by Tatya Tope , Lakshmi Bai and others .. they jointly put Bahadur Shah Jafar as the leader ( who was too old to participate in any fight ) he was just a symbolic representative of India ,
So please stop painting everything in communal colours ..

I quote Karl Marx

The Sepoy Mutiny and Historical Distortions

“Mussulmans and Hindoos, renouncing their mutual antipathies, have combined against their common masters”; that “disturbances beginning with the Hindoos, have actually, ended in placing on the throne of Delhi a Mohammedan Emperor;” that the mutiny, “has not been confined to a few localities”; and lastly, that “the revolt in the Anglo-Indian army has coincided with a general disaffection exhibited against English supremacy on the part of the great Asiatic nations, the revolt of the Bengal army being, beyond doubt, intimately connected with the Persian and Chinese wars”.

 

[Flintlock]

Einstein on Gandhi:


Mahatma Gandhi's life achievement stands unique in political history. He has invented a completely new and humane means for the liberation war of an oppressed country, and practised it with greatest energy and devotion. The moral influence he had on the conciously thinking human being of the entire civilized world will probably be much more lasting than it seems in our time with its overestimation of brutal violent forces. Because lasting will only be the work of such statesmen who wake up and strengthen the moral power of their people through their example and educational works.
We may all be happy and grateful that destiny gifted us with such an enlightened contemporary, a role model for the generations to come.

 

[Flintlock]

Gandhi on Religion:

"Thus if I could not accept Christianity either as a perfect, or the greatest religion, neither was I then convinced of Hinduism being such. Hindu defects were pressingly visible to me. If untouchability could be a part of Hinduism, it could but be a rotten part or an excrescence. I could not understand the raison d'etre of a multitude of sects and castes. What was the meaning of saying that the Vedas were the inspired Word of God? If they were inspired, why not also the Bible and the Koran? As Christian friends were endeavouring to convert me, so were Muslim friends. Abdullah Sheth had kept on inducing me to study Islam, and of course he had always something to say regarding its beauty."

 

[roadrunner]

Einstein on Gandhi:


Mahatma Gandhi's life achievement stands unique in political history. He has invented a completely new and humane means for the liberation war of an oppressed country, and practised it with greatest energy and devotion. The moral influence he had on the conciously thinking human being of the entire civilized world will probably be much more lasting than it seems in our time with its overestimation of brutal violent forces. Because lasting will only be the work of such statesmen who wake up and strengthen the moral power of their people through their example and educational works.
We may all be happy and grateful that destiny gifted us with such an enlightened contemporary, a role model for the generations to come.

And history has proved Einstein to be incorrect when he says that "The moral influence he had on the consciously thinking human being of the entire civilized world will probably be much more lasting than it seems in our time with its overestimation of brutal violent forces."

Brutal violent forces have completely dominated both the uncivilized and civilized worlds, more so than ever in recent times (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea, Sudan, Bosnia, Kashmir, Serbia etc), so his moral influence has been absolutely zilch. Even in Kashmir, Indian forces are anything but Gandhi-esque.

 

[Flintlock]

And history has proved Einstein to be incorrect when he says that "The moral influence he had on the consciously thinking human being of the entire civilized world will probably be much more lasting than it seems in our time with its overestimation of brutal violent forces."

Brutal violent forces have completely dominated both the uncivilized and civilized worlds, more so than ever in recent times (Vietnam, Afghanistan, Korea, Sudan, Bosnia, Kashmir, Serbia etc), so his moral influence has been absolutely zilch. Even in Kashmir, Indian forces are anything but Gandhi-esque.

Not at all.....the level of violence in the world has reduced dramatically. Until the early 19th century, armies wouldn't think twice before "depopulating" entire cities and even countries to achieve victory. Violence was the way and the only way.

Gandhi reinforced the ideas that lasting peace cannot be brought about by violence, and this inspired many leaders like Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela and Dalai Lama.

 

[roadrunner]

Not at all.....the level of violence in the world has reduced dramatically. Until the early 19th century, armies wouldn't think twice before "depopulating" entire cities and even countries to achieve victory. Violence was the way and the on
ly way.

Gandhi reinforced the ideas that lasting peace cannot be brought about by violence, and this inspired many leaders like Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela and Dalai Lama.

Course it's reduced Gandhi started his protests in 1916, and by 1945 we had two atomic explosions wipe out two cities, by the 60's we had Vietnam carpet bombed, and by the 80s we had two countries alone able to wipe out the whole planet whenever they wanted to.

Oh yes, obviously we had Gandhi's "moral principles" of ahimsa at the foremost of all civilized countries' minds when they were pumping money into their jets and nuke programs .

 

[Vinod2070]

Of Gandhigiri and Green Lion, Al Gore wins hearts at Cannes
June 23, 07
Kalyan Kar

Former US Vice-President Al Gore rounded up the day’s proceedings on Friday evening to a packed house at the Cannes Lions. He was invited to address the international advertising community at a seminar organised by Y&R on the Climate Crisis facing the planet. And Gore turned out to be a communicator par excellence – he was heard in rapt silence. At the end of the seminar, he was roundly applauded as he became the recipient of the first ever Green Cannes Lion.

Introduced by Hamish McLennan, Global CEO, Y&R, Gore spoke passionately about the man-made climatic crisis facing earth. He spoke with passion about the Live Earth project to save it from a climatic disaster, the need to reach out with the message to people around the globe, about the difficult questions future generations would ask of today’s generation and their lack of responsibility in not taking steps when there was still time.

Gore relied heavily on Gandhi’s philosophy of satyagraha. “Mahatma Ganghi’s philosophy of satyagraha can be translated to mean truth force. It is this truth force which can help us to fight this battle honestly and with people’s participation”, he said.

He asserted that the First World countries could nor win this battle without India and China being equal partners at every step of the way. “To ensure that politicians across the globe wake up to the climatic threat we have to generate public opinion, we have to ensure that we as individuals create the pressure of public opinion. This is where the creative talents of advertising professionals play a major role in creating public opinion and awareness at the people lever,” he said.

exchange4media ::: Cannes Lions 2007

It seems that people like Martin Luther King, Nelson Mandela, Dalai Lama, Al Gore, Einstein and so many others great world leaders don't think the same way about Gandhi.

He is a universal symbol of truth and non-violence and if some people can't see him that way because of their prejudices (and no small thanks to a subject they study in lieu of history at their schools), its only too bad.

 

[Flintlock]

Course it's reduced Gandhi started his protests in 1916, and by 1945 we had two atomic explosions wipe out two cities, by the 60's we had Vietnam carpet bombed, and by the 80s we had two countries alone able to wipe out the whole planet whenever they wanted to.

Oh yes, obviously we had Gandhi's "moral principles" of ahimsa at the foremost of all civilized countries' minds when they were pumping money into their jets and nuke programs .

Gandhi is not moral brake which will induce people to drop their weapons at the mention of his name. Don't be ridiculous please.

A man isn't declared one of the greatest leaders of humanity without inspiring a huge number of people.

 

[roadrunner]

Gandhi is not moral brake which will induce people to drop their weapons at the mention of his name. Don't be ridiculous please.

A man isn't declared one of the greatest leaders of humanity without inspiring a huge number of people.

This is the point. You're giving all these quotes (incidentally, I could quote mass murderers that have been glorified by reputable men for their own gain), yet you're failing to see the point...........who has Gandhi inspired? Virtually noone and no country will ever employ such an idiotic tactic as letting people shoot you. Not even the Indian government will adopt this policy.

The only reason Gandhi was popular from 1940-around 1990 was because the western press trumpeted him as the sole cause of independence in order to convince a few docile Indians that it is better to not hate for years of colonial repression. Frankly, useless. Bose was a much bigger reason for the loss of grip over the subcontinent. I highly recommend the Bollywood flick, "Bose, a forgotten hero".

 

[Flintlock]

This is the point. You're giving all these quotes (incidentally, I could quote mass murderers that have been glorified by reputable men for their own gain), yet you're failing to see the point...........who has Gandhi inspired? Virtually noone and no country will ever employ such an idiotic tactic as letting people shoot you. Not even the Indian government will adopt this policy.

I hope you can differentiate between a mass murderer and a hero, but never mind that.

I really don't need to be doing this. As I said, Gandhi is a respected man across the globe. His greatness has been recognized by leaders around the world, and he has set an ideal for the world to follow.

I'll use Gandhi's words to defend himself:

'I do believe,' he wrote, 'that where there is only a choice between cowardice and violence, I would advise violence.'


At every meeting I repeated the warning that unless they felt that in non-violence they had come into possession of a force infinitely superior to the one they had and in the use of which they were adept, they should have nothing to do with non-violence and resume the arms they possessed before.

 

[Xeric]

even so called Islamic Mathematics was copied from Indian mathematics achievement .

Bravo! Bravo!
people we have on our forum another intellect...

tomorrow he's going to say it was an indian who sent the man on moon, invented the A Bomb and BTW its not far fetched that the time machine is going to shine from within india!

 

[vish]

Bravo! Bravo!
people we have on our forum another intellect...

tomorrow he's going to say it was an indian who sent the man on moon, invented the A Bomb and BTW its not far fetched that the time machine is going to shine from within india!

It is widely believed that the decimal system was passed from India to Europe via the Middle East (Islamic/Arab) traders.