NeutralCitizen
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This is very Interesting, I read stories that if someone insulted Attaturk they would killed by Grey Wolves.
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I am not talking all about the "türklük" nationalism here, it seems your nationalistic views is at the extreme rate, no doubt about that.
For instance, remember what importance nationalism has in Islam, what is the difference between Turks or Kurds, or Arabs, or Pakistanis, or Somalis? Nothing, we are all on equal ground as a human being. It isn't our color or nation which is crucial in our value.
We are all the creation of the creator, nationalism only brings seperation among us, the last way of uniting multiethnical and multicultural country is by nationalism.
The Ottoman Empire didn't last 700 years (or more, correct me), for the fun of it. It wasn't one nation, but an empire which was the shield of the people. There were over 120 ethnic groups within this very empire. Nationalism is only a game of the western world, and it is mostly UK who stands behind it. That's how the Ottoman Empire crushed, by nationalism. Brits inplemented nationalism in Arab's so they made resistance inside this empire, the Ottoman's were sorrounded in every border, and the armenians thought this was their chance, and kept side with the Russians. Do you see this scenario? People began to think about their ethnic background and race which was the ultimate weapon of defeating this very mighty lion aka the Ottoman Empire.
For the record, the teachings of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), equals nationalism with nothing. "He said an Arab is not superior to a none Arab, if there is any superiority, it is his "Takva/Taqwa". Study this sentence a bit, for the love of our Prophet.
And remember, Allah/God swt will not ask you, wether you were a Turk or an Arab or a Chinese or a Persian you name it, he will ask you what you did for the sake of Allah Subhan wa Ta'al. If your answer to God is "I created nationalism" I would pity you.
A remindation, we don't judge who is going to heaven or the hell, that's the duty of Allah swt. But we are obligated to seperate between good and evil, that's what we are doing. We have to track who was a good leader and who was a blasphemous leader, so that the people knows.
Its not about nationalism, see you guys don't even know the difference between national identity and nationalism, which by the way isn't a bad thing, islam forbids racism and hate towards other races which is not the same as nationalism. But let's say you like to be safe in this matter and don't be nationalistic, is still normal but you guys go a step further and even reject national identity, you obviously didn't understand a damned about this issue. Rejecting even your etnic background because it supposed to be a sin? You guys have truly lost it!
First you insult him with the harshest curses i have seen in this forum, later you delete and edit your posts to make you look differently. I guess you represent your idol very good, constantly changing color. From "aq" to "bro", you need medical attention.
I hope you will get permanently banned, because you have no manner. Your insults and curses just show your qualities as a human being.
Listen Selim or whtever thehell yr name is, you cannot insult or disrespect my great ancestor, and get away with it like its nothing. Just don't curse our already dead ancestors just behave yourselves.Saying something in Turkish doesn't make it unreadable, how do you even deny what you were just saying for two hours ago?
Nice deleting and editing every single post of yours ragekid.
You are ignored, and no doubt you will be banned soon.
Edit: And yet again, you did it. I won't even translate it, since that is cursing at extreme level.
Why do you even expect me to reply to a disgusting man like you? After calling my mother *****, and telling me you would rape both my mother and sister. And telling me I am a ***** and coward, repeatedly telling me that I am a dog.
What the hell is wrong with your brain, do you think this is a playground? I am pretty sure you will be perma banned. And I think you should consider Zulkarneyn's offer, since it really seems you need to see a psychiatrist or a doctor. You seem to be very unstable.
Just ignore the flamer, he will probably get permanent banned. I do agree about the Ataturk part though. The problem with today's Turkey is that people think he was a Muslim hero, when in fact he was a strong opposer of Islam, which was very clear in many of his speeches and the policies he implemented.
You speak about Turkey like a super nation, Turkey was on same level as the worse African nations for 7 decades until AKP took over and transformed the country. But indoctrinated people will never be able to understand that. Some think that critizing certain policies of Ataturk is against their nature that is filled with extreme hatred. If you have points then come with your sources and do it in a human way, instead of cursing and insulting a fellow member just because you don't agree with him. That shows just how narrow-minded and ignorant you are, children aged 3-6 do that in Denmark. Oh sorry, children know that cursing wont get them anywhere, their parents slap them when they curse. But you "internet warriors" think cursing behind your screen you are something. You have the worst kind of personality, which is extreme ignorance.