Future of SD-10 in PAF?

[Dazzler]

It is equal in performance to the AIM-120C. What more a statement do you need?

AIM 120 C has at least 7 different derivatives, which one do you think is comparable to the SD-10A?

 

[araz]

It is equal in performance to the AIM-120C. What more a statement do you need?



The offering problem lies not in that the Eurofighter consortium never offered it; but that it is almost impossible based on the delicate diplomacy involved in dealing with what are essentially 5 nations with ownership of the aircraft to agree in their civilian setup to release this aircraft in limited yet consequential numbers to a nation that as such does not have good PR due to media and financial lobbies by India.

It has been given a lite evaluation and the PAF loved it; but from a aircombat perspective.

I think it boils down to whether we can muster up some hard cash to put on the table for the deal or not. In the current financial situation of EU, provided we put cash down, we will get approval but he problem remains one of money.
By the way how did you get a negative rating? You are not the sort of guy who trolls threads to get such ratings.
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[Ultima Thule]

AIM 120 C has at least 7 different derivatives, which one do you think is comparable to the SD-10A?

I think SD-10A is equal to C-5, just my opinion

 

[Dazzler]

I think SD-10A is equal to C-5, just my opinion

In terms of range and performance, they are quite identical

AIM 120C AMRAAM

Wing span - 44.7 cm (17.6 in)
Fin span - 44.7 cm (17.6 in)

Diameter - 17.8 cm (7 in)

Weight - 157 kg (345 lb)

Speed - Mach 4

Range - 105 km (65 miles)

Warhead - 18 kg (40 lb) WDU-41/B blast-fragmentation


Shan Dian-10A

Length: 3934 mm

Diameter: 203 mm

Wing span: 670 mm

Fin span: 752 mm

Weight: 199 kg

Propulsion: Solid dual-thrust rocket motor with lofted profile

Range: 100 km

Altitude: 21 km

Speed: Mach 4

Guidance: Strap-down inertial guidance + datalink correction + active radar terminal guidance

 

[SQ8]

By the way how did you get a negative rating? You are not the sort of guy who trolls threads to get such ratings.
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What are you talking about? I love doing that.
No, that is from some TT where I did not agree with his jingoism.

AIM 120 C has at least 7 different derivatives, which one do you think is comparable to the SD-10A?

C-1/4 series with the range of the -7.

 

[Dazzler]

C-1/4 series with the range of the -7.

The C-7 has much longer range compared to the C-5, approaching around 150 km as far i know.

In that case, a prestigious and mighty target will become a piece of cake you know

Thanks

 

[monitor]

Kills of the future
This 2014 CGI shows a J-31 stealth fighter launching a long range PL-15 missile. Given USAF concerns about the high performance PL-15, it could indeed feature high performance technologies like range and maneuverability enhancing ramjets, and a jam resistant AESA radar seeker.


via Popular Science...

The PL-15 is developed by the 607 Institute. It is the replacement for China's current BVRAAM, the radar guided, PL-12, which reportedly has a range of approximately 100km. Compared to the PL-12, the PL-15 has an improved active radar seeker and jam-resistant datalinks, along with a dual pulse rocket motor to extend its range.
Even in the prototype stage, the PL-15 is already an international star. Speaking at the 2015 Air Force Association conference the same week as the test, USAF Air Combatant Commander General Hawk Carlisle cited the PL-15 as the reason for Congress to fund a new missile to replace the American AMRAAM. His reasons for concern is the PL-15's range. By incorporating a ramjet engine, its range could reach 150-200km, was well as its terminal maneuverability. That would out-range existing American air-to-air missiles, making the PL-15 not just a threat to fighters like the F-35, but also to US bombers and aerial tankers critical to American air operations across the vast Pacific. General Carlisle called "out-sticking" the PL-15 a high priority for the USAF.

 

[SQ8]

The C-7 has much longer range compared to the C-5, approaching around 150 km as far i know.

In that case, a prestigious and mighty target will become a piece of cake you know

Thanks

That 150km is based upon best case launch scenarios. As such, the range for the SD-10 is probably around the same as put by Qabza group. To achieve such ranges requires the target to be in a very specific set of altitiude and speed, and the launch aircraft also has to have a specific altitude and speed.

What matters is the No Escape Zone of the missile and there the SD-10 is as good as(if not slightly better in certain kinematics) than the Aim-120C-5

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

In terms of range and performance, they are quite identical

AIM 120C AMRAAM

Wing span - 44.7 cm (17.6 in)
Fin span - 44.7 cm (17.6 in)

Diameter - 17.8 cm (7 in)

Weight - 157 kg (345 lb)

Speed - Mach 4

Range - 105 km (65 miles)

Warhead - 18 kg (40 lb) WDU-41/B blast-fragmentation


Shan Dian-10A

Length: 3934 mm

Diameter: 203 mm

Wing span: 670 mm

Fin span: 752 mm

Weight: 199 kg

Propulsion: Solid dual-thrust rocket motor with lofted profile

Range: 100 km

Altitude: 21 km

Speed: Mach 4

Guidance: Strap-down inertial guidance + datalink correction + active radar terminal guidance

There is a notable difference in the size and the missile design If you notice-

SD10 is heavier, thicker missile than Aim120C- It seems the designers of SD10 got Mach 4 by burning more propellant- Which Aim120C was able to do so in lesser amount and hence is a sleeker missile- at the same time getting 5 km more range than SD10-

Also the dual thrust motor burning with lofted profile here means that the missile uses gravity to achieve 100km range- Hence the last stage is not accelerating with power as major acceleration would come with gravity and hence the kill zone or the no-escape zone would be significantly lower than actual range- It is the usual method followed by AMRAAM of various countries- However new propulsion methods like dual pulse rocket(Aim120D) and air-breathing rocket is able to achieve powered flight for majority of Its flight profile-

 

[SQ8]

There is a notable difference in the size and the missile design If you notice-

SD10 is heavier, thicker missile than Aim120C- It seems the designers of SD10 got Mach 4 by burning more propellant- Which Aim120C was able to do so in lesser amount and hence is a sleeker missile- at the same time getting 5 km more range than SD10-

Also the dual thrust motor burning with lofted profile here means that the missile uses gravity to achieve 100km range- Hence the last stage is not accelerating with power as major acceleration would come with gravity and hence the kill zone or the no-escape zone would be significantly lower than actual range- It is the usual method followed by AMRAAM of various countries- However new propulsion methods like dual pulse rocket(Aim120D) and air-breathing rocket is able to achieve powered flight for majority of Its flight profile-

Again, please provide the proof to your claims including exact length and dimensions along with a copy of the brochure of the Sd-10 and that of the Aim-120C with NeZs and other relevant data.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Again, please provide the proof to your claims including exact length and dimensions along with a copy of the brochure of the Sd-10 and that of the Aim-120C with NeZs and other relevant data.

Ask Dazzler PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT

I just used the data provided by him-

 

[SQ8]

Ask Dazzler PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT

I just used the data provided by him-

Then quote that data, it must be here right? After all, if you are passing conclusions as a completely untrustworthy member on boost time; you must have some logical reasoning to it.

 

[Eminent Mainstream Media]

Then quote that data, it must be here right? After all, if you are passing conclusions as a completely untrustworthy member on boost time; you must have some logical reasoning to it.

Refer post #169

example 199kg is heavier than 157kg-

203mm is thicker than 178mm-

Given both use solid propellants which burn per cross section area- SD10 will burn more fuel per Km-

 

[S10]

The future is probably PL-12C, with foldable fins to fit inside the belly of J-20. It's going to have performance roughly on par with AIM-120D. That means maximum range of around 150km and effective kill range of ~60km. Current AIM-120C, PL-12 and R-77 have about 40km effective range against fast maneuvering targets.

Obviously the dimension of PL-12 is slightly larger than AIM-120, but that also allows more room for fuel and larger seeker.

 

[WarFariX]

SD-10 is very important for PAF as with good strategy it will be enough to take on MKIs