Future of Bangladesh

[NeutralCitizen]

It seems Bangladeshi should start preparing themselves a 150 million people on a small patch of land with the sea rising and India sealing it's borders.

 

[Md Akmal]

@ Because solving bilateral disputes and working together, as opposed to nurturing the mistrust and undermining each other's national security, is good for both Bangladesh and India. Many Bangladeshis AND Indians don't understand this, and don't want to.

@ Solving problems/disputes bilaterally with India !!!!! In which plannet you are staying ??????? Do you ever tried to know what are those disputes/problems with India ? With my experiences we have thousand and one problems with India. Once we solve one problem India raises another problem. Let me summarizes some of the sousand and one problems :

1. After independance India took all the war materials which were surrendared by the Pakistani forces. These equipments were belonged to us which India never gave to such. Subsequently, we had to spend lot of money on this sector, still we are spending money on it.

2. Indian forces took lot valuable things from our country while going back and never returned.

3. Our jute market was taken away by establishing the world HQ of Jute at Bombay. We were restricted to export jute directly.

4. Restriction imposed on our foreign policy.

5. Our administration, internal security, state policy etc all were controlled by India till 1975.

6. We handed over "Berubari" enclave to India in exchange we got only "Thin Bigha" corridor, that too it took 40 years !!!!!

7. India sponsored an insurgency movement in Chittagong for 27 years where we lost around 30 thousand people including our para-military forces. A major portion of our defence budget was expend on it.

8. Whenever we tried to explore our natural resources, India at once came with her nesty hand. There are many inccidents.

9. India had a dirty hand in our garments sectors.

10. India also had a short hand on our "shirimp" business in the European market.

11. India also gave a dirty finger in our labour market in middle-east and Malaysia.

12. India is a nation which is borned to finger us till the last.

13. India always gives a false promises.

14. India is making a conspiracy to establish a separate state inside Bangladesh specially for Hindus, "Bongo Bhumi" comprising greater Khulna Division.

15. Some people of India are also making conspiracy to take back Sylhet from Bangladesh and re-unite with Assam.

 

[Zabaniyah]

@ Solving problems/disputes bilaterally with India !!!!! In which plannet you are staying ??????? Do you ever tried to know what are those disputes/problems with India ? With my experiences we have thousand and one problems with India. Once we solve one problem India raises another problem. Let me summarizes some of the sousand and one problems :

Wouldn't dispute that

1. After independance India took all the war materials which were surrendared by the Pakistani forces. These equipments were belonged to us which India never gave to such. Subsequently, we had to spend lot of money on this sector, still we are spending money on it.

Well, we did manage to acquire ex-PAF F-86 Sabers. I don't think M-48s would have lasted very long in service. We have decent tanks now.

East Pakistan's strategic defenses were generally weaker than that of the Western front.

2. Indian forces took lot valuable things from our country while going back and never returned.

Could you elaborate with examples? I knew about those cheap clothes that came from India at the time. Put them in water, and colors will fly in the water

3. Our jute market was taken away by establishing the world HQ of Jute at Bombay. We were restricted to export jute directly.

That is true. But ourselves, we need to market jute products properly. It is that marketing element that's lacking. There are many potential applications of that.

4. Restriction imposed on our foreign policy.

For the most part in history, we have more or less had a relative independent foreign policy. Especially during BNP administrations. I do not think that that Indians now would be able to achieve much through a party like Awami League.

5. Our administration, internal security, state policy etc all were controlled by India till 1975.

And people still wonder why Mujib was assassinated

6. We handed over "Berubari" enclave to India in exchange we got only "Thin Bigha" corridor, that too it took 40 years !!!!!

India got most of the land.

7. India sponsored an insurgency movement in Chittagong for 27 years where we lost around 30 thousand people including our para-military forces. A major portion of our defence budget was expend on it.

And we won.

Some of those silly people of the CHT....Even today in Banderbaun, it is limited to foreigners due to security reasons. Call any travel agent here if anyone of you don't believe.

Although, army presence has gone down.

8. Whenever we tried to explore our natural resources, India at once came with her nesty hand. There are many inccidents.

9. India had a dirty hand in our garments sectors.

10. India also had a short hand on our "shirimp" business in the European market.

11. India also gave a dirty finger in our labour market in middle-east and Malaysia.

12. India is a nation which is borned to finger us till the last.

13. India always gives a false promises.

Well, I do not think there's much reason to fear India. They are psychologically transparent and small hearted folks. All we need to do is to assert ourselves with an iron determination. And of-course, outside support is crucial for this. No way can contain India all by ourselves.

The fact is, no one really cares what India thinks. And neither should we. But then, there's no harm is trying to have amicable relations with India, but it must be based on fairness. I'd say, there are many traitors in our own midst.

 

[Varunastra]

1. Thank you. We are already getting plenty of assistance from PLAN.

2. BN is concentrating on phased development which will take it to a brown navy capability. In the first phase we are looking at the Bay of Bengal which we must make invincible through Swarming Tactics like the Iranians. We have a lot of islands which we are developing for air defense, long range weapon base and air strips. In fact static aircraft carriers. We will integrate these with shore defense.

3. In the next phase we want BN to be able operate independently in the Andaman Sea. The sub our personnel are training g for is Turkish built based on a S African - German model with inputs from S Korea. We have lined up for most advanced frigates and catamaran fast missile boats from China. We should eventually get at least two destroyers with massive shore bombardment capability.

4. BN follows PLAN closely in its development. In short BN ops will be complementary to PLAN's ops in this region. As BN will look for facilities in Indonesian and Malaysian ports, we will provide same to PLAN in BD. In fact there is a long standing offer by PLAN to build submarine bases here. For long GOB has under consideration a PLAN proposal to place a nuclear sub in one of these bases.

we encourage BDN to be modernized and be a true brown water navy as soon as possible!!!! if PLAN is helping u achieve that goal then it is good!!!!!!.............but dude u seriously think that putting a foreign navy base in your homeland is a good idea?????that too holding a nuke sub!!!!....it won't be seen in good light in india nor in the world!!!!!!........and why d hell would a brown water navy need nuclear assistance??????!!!!!..........build your own strength up whether by IN OR PLAN assistance!!!!! but nt in that way!!!!!

 

[Md Akmal]

Could you elaborate with examples? I knew about those cheap clothes that came from India at the time. Put them in water, and colors will fly in the water

@ Once the Indian Army withdrew(forcely by Sk Mujib) from Bnagladesh they took many valuable things other than war materials:

1. In April 1971 in Rajshahi once the area came under the control of Mukti Bahini, we tried to transmit the Radia Rajshahi but could not since due to Pakistani air action some critical parts were damaged. Soon Indian exparts from Calcutta came. But instead of repairing the radio station they took the whole trnasmiter and never returned to Bnagladesh even after independance.

2. The India army took many jute factory equipments from Adamjee Jute Mills. Besides jute mills through out Bnagladesh other textile equipments were also taken away.

3. Indian army also took many projector machines from the cinema halls.

4. Thay took most of the TV, freezes and other electronic items.

5. They even took the basins, taps and furnitures.

6. There are evidences that even they snatch away money from the common people.

 

[Skallagrim]

Unplanned construction of roads and houses in villages and municipalities must be curbed right now. Along with squeezing land for cultivation, grazing and forestation, these are responsible for stagnation of water, blocking natural airflow, light and vision.

I would recommend for banning building of boundary walls and plasterwork on yards especially in rural areas. Barbed wire fencing should be favored instead of boundary walls. Plasterwork on yards hinders absorption of rain water and necessitates proper drainage system which is becoming almost an impossibility thanks to the absence of a plan and also because of the illegal occupation of government lands.

Use of surface water must be encouraged. Uncontrolled increase of deep tube-wells is responsible for water table recession and arsenic pollution.

 

[romell99]

MILITARY CO-OPERATION BETWEEN INDIA AND BD WILL INCREASING AS BD'S ECONOMIC STATUS IS ALSO INCREASING!!!!!!

Ram Ram Ram

what is the relation between military and economy.....

have u gone mad...

joi hind joi bangla

 

[ShadowFaux]

@ Once the Indian Army withdrew(forcely by Sk Mujib) from Bnagladesh they took many valuable things other than war materials:

1. In April 1971 in Rajshahi once the area came under the control of Mukti Bahini, we tried to transmit the Radia Rajshahi but could not since due to Pakistani air action some critical parts were damaged. Soon Indian exparts from Calcutta came. But instead of repairing the radio station they took the whole trnasmiter and never returned to Bnagladesh even after independance.

2. The India army took many jute factory equipments from Adamjee Jute Mills. Besides jute mills through out Bnagladesh other textile equipments were also taken away.

3. Indian army also took many projector machines from the cinema halls.

4. Thay took most of the TV, freezes and other electronic items.

5. They even took the basins, taps and furnitures.

6. There are evidences that even they snatch away money from the common people.

Do you have any evidence?

Indian army left . . . . they could've stayed, but they left . . . . after helping us. Remember, they opened their borders for our people. Try to stay on topic while you answer.

 

[DarkPrince]

Do you have any evidence?

Indian army left . . . . they could've stayed, but they left . . . . after helping us. Remember, they opened their borders for our people. Try to stay on topic while you answer.

they wanted 2 break pakistan thats why they helped us not bcoz they love us

u rawami member

 

[ShadowFaux]

they wanted 2 break pakistan thats why they helped us not bcoz they love us

u rawami member

No, just Bangladeshi. And oh, whatever the reason is, they HELPED us. Fact!

 

[DarkPrince]

No, just Bangladeshi. And oh, whatever the reason is, they HELPED us. Fact!

yes yes i know what fact is n u r talking about taking over BD why the **** they want 2

take over BD its a small land with huge poor muslim population

 

[ShadowFaux]

yes yes i know what fact is n u r talking about taking over BD why the **** they want 2

take over BD its a small land with huge poor muslim population

I didn't talk about taking over bd. :S Usually allied forces don't leave so soon. But they did.

 

[fallstuff]

Do you have any evidence?

Indian army left . . . . they could've stayed, but they left . . . . after helping us. Remember, they opened their borders for our people. Try to stay on topic while you answer.

They also stole the proverbial kitchen sink.

 

[ShadowFaux]

They also stole the proverbial kitchen sink.

Sure they did.

 

[Roybot]

@ Once the Indian Army withdrew(forcely by Sk Mujib) from Bnagladesh they took many valuable things other than war materials:

1. In April 1971 in Rajshahi once the area came under the control of Mukti Bahini, we tried to transmit the Radia Rajshahi but could not since due to Pakistani air action some critical parts were damaged. Soon Indian exparts from Calcutta came. But instead of repairing the radio station they took the whole trnasmiter and never returned to Bnagladesh even after independance.

2. The India army took many jute factory equipments from Adamjee Jute Mills. Besides jute mills through out Bnagladesh other textile equipments were also taken away.

3. Indian army also took many projector machines from the cinema halls.

4. Thay took most of the TV, freezes and other electronic items.

5. They even took the basins, taps and furnitures.

6. There are evidences that even they snatch away money from the common people.

The amount of nonsense you lots spew here. Are you sure you are not deliberately confusing Pakistan Army with the Indian Army?.

Cause these were the exact allegations that were made against Pakistan Army in Pakistan Government's own Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report.

11. A new aggravating factor made its appearance in East Pakistan in the wake of the military action of the 25th of March 1971, when units of the Pakistan Army undertook "sweep operations" throughout the Province to deal with the Awami League insurgents. The Army had to go out into the countryside without adequate logistic arrangements, and was compelled, at least in the early stages of its operations to take its requirements of foodgrains and other essential supplies from civilian sources. Unfortunately, however, the practice appears to have persisted even when it became possible to make proper logistic arrangements. There is evidence to the effect that civilian shops and stores were broken into by the troops without preparing any record of what was taken and from where. The need for commandeering vehicles, foodstuffs, medicines and other essential supplies can certainly be appreciated, but this should have been done under a proper method of accounting so that compensation could be paid on return of normal conditions. As no such procedure was adopted, it led to a general feeling among the troops, including their officers that they were entitled to take whatever they wanted from wherever they liked. This appears to us to be the genesis of the looting alleged to have been indulged in by the Army in East Pakistan.

12. In the early stages this method of procurement seems to have been encouraged by senior commanders, including Lt. Gen Niazi, whose remarks on the very first day of his taking over command from Gen Tikka Khan have already been quoted by us in an earlier chapter, viz: "what have I been hearing about shortage of rations? Are not there any cows and goats in this country? This is enemy territory. Get what you want. This is what we used to do in Burma." (vide Maj Gen Farman Ali's Evidence). Gen Niazi did not, of course, accept having made any such statement and asserted that "whatever we took we gave a chit so that civil government should pay for that". This assertion is not supported by other officers. On the contrary, some officers like Lt. Col. Bukhori, (Witness No. 244) have made a positive statement that even written orders were received by them emanating from the Eastern Command to live of the land during sweep operations.

13. However, at a later stage the Eastern Command and the divisional Commanders issued strict instructions in an effort to stop such practices, and some Commanders caused searches to be carried out of the barracks occupied by the troops for the recovery of looted material which included television sets, refrigerators, typewriters, watches, gold, airconditioners and other attractive items. We were informed that in several cases disciplinary action by way of Courts of Inquiries was initiated but the cases could not be finalised for one reasons or the other before the surrender on the 16th of December 1971.

24. The evidence of Maj Gen Nazar Hussain Shah (Witness No. 242 GOC 16 Div, Maj Gen M.H Ansari (Witness NO. 233) GOC, 9 Div, as well as of Brig Baqir Siddiqui (Witness No. 218) Chief of Staff, Eastern Command, disclosed that these officers and their units were involved in large scale looting, including the theft of Rs. 1,35,00,000 from the National Bank Treasury at Siraj Gaj. This amount was intercepted by a JCO at the Paksi Bridge crossing when it was being carried in the lower part of the body of a truck. The driver of the truck produced a chit reading "released by Major Maddad". We were informed that a Court o Inquiry was conveyed under the Chairmanship of Maj Gen M.H Ansari who had recorded some evidence, but could not complete the inquiry owing to the outbreak of war.

http://boltapakistan.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/hamood_ur_rehman_commission.pdf

Seems like some "Bangladeshis" are more Pakistani than the Pakistanis themselves.