Full text: India's reply to Pakistan at the UN

[dray]

Bunch of bengali/south indees sitting in some remote corners of india ... i dont get what their bloody business is with kashmir and who the heck are they to speak abt them and their state and that too, so aggressively.

Stupid comment. Every Indian is a stakeholder of every part of India.

 

[Shamain]

Stupid comment. Every Indian is a stakeholder of every part of India.

Oh shutup. No one from either india or pakstan is. Its only the people of that land who get to decide.

Keep ur bullsh1t comments to urself. I wont bother reading ur crap.

 

[nForce]

Bunch of bengali/south indees sitting in some remote corners of india ... i dont get what their bloody business is with kashmir and who the heck are they to speak abt them and their state and that too, so aggressively.

because that's what India is. No place is remote any more and everybody has equal say in matters pertaining to India.

@Shamain

Stupid comment. Every Indian is a stakeholder of every part of India.

You see, how the exactly same mentality and thought process is being reflected over there ? What I just said...
That's unity. Who has the power to bend when 1.2 billion stands united ?

 

[dray]

Oh shutup. No one from either india or pakstan is. Its only the people of that land who get to decide.

Keep ur bullsh1t comments to urself. I wont bother reading ur crap.

I am okay with your decision to keep your head buried in the sand and not to see the reality.

 

[ChennaiDude]

Bunch of bengali/south indees sitting in some remote corners of india ... i dont get what their bloody business is with kashmir and who the heck are they to speak abt them and their state and that too, so aggressively.

It is their "Bloody Business" Its about India...The last time I checked South Indians and East Indians are part of India......Now whats your bloody business in all this...Now who the heck are you to speak for Indian Kashmir?

Oh shutup. No one from either india or pakstan is. Its only the people of that land who get to decide.

Keep ur bullsh1t comments to urself. I wont bother reading ur crap.

Maybe it holds true in P O K (You call it Azad right...well we dont)....Not true on our side....no state or city under the Indian republic can break away or be called AZAD!

 

[ThaniOruvan]

Oh sure, Indian-held Kashmir is so peaceful right now. The paramiltary is there just for fixing street-lights, right?

I guess people should also just forget state-sponsored brutality against Kashmiris. How dare they hold a grudge against India for its sub-human violence against unarmed civilians?? They must be stupid for taking up arms against India after being terrorized, yeah??

The video is big? Already forgotten Pakistani flags have you?

Indians raising anti-India slogans inside Indian territory is India's internal affairs.
It is very very very tiny compared to Indians raising anit-Pakistan slogans in the territory (Pakistan occupied Kashmir) which Pakistan is illegally occupying and brutally massacring opponents.
Improve your education to understand this simple point.

This is the most weakest argument i have heard thus far, the bold part. This is india's sh1t diplomacy that without handing any proof she says 'the world knows'? . Does india remember it is she herself who denied un observers group to investigate the loc violations whilst pakistan had fully agreed to it?

No you dont get to talk rubbish by saying 'the world knows' ,without giving any proofs,not even usa believes in pakistani involvment in mumbai's poorly orchestrated attacks.

So give proofs or getlost.
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India has the balls to say no to the UN in which your big daddy (UK), big mommy (china), Uncle Sam (US) and your so-called new ally (Russia) are powerful members. Can Pakistan ?
No one even cares what Pakistan says because they all know Pakistan is a double-game granny.
Our diplomacy is well on par with our national interests. That is why we made you sign the Simla and tashkent agreements to restrict Kashmir issue within bilateral umbrella. Only thing we regret is we should have drove you out from our land which our leaders didn't do.

Use your common-sense, if you have, to understand the happenings. Don't read only mullah musings and government inflicted thoughts and rant here.
If you say USA does not believes then you are delusional bigot and a fool. I heard your uncle sam is tightening the noose on you. Let us see what happens down the line.

Proofs are all there, intent to act or change is not. So you must get lost. Everyone will be happy.

 

[RazorMC]

Indians raising anti-India slogans inside Indian territory is India's internal affairs.
It is very very very tiny compared to Indians raising anit-Pakistan slogans in the territory (Pakistan occupied Kashmir) which Pakistan is illegally occupying and brutally massacring opponents.
Improve your education to understand this simple point.
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HAHAHA

Typical reaction when confronted with hard questions. Either have the guts to look at reality and answer or stop wasting my time please with escape plans like India's internal affairs. It never worked and never will.

hanks.

 

[ThaniOruvan]

HAHAHA
Typical reaction when confronted with hard questions. Either have the guts to look at reality and answer or stop wasting my time please with escape plans like India's internal affairs. It never worked and never will.
hanks.

Even crying around strategy of didn't work.
Even ummah-chummah strategy didn't work.
Even war strategy didn't work.
Even infiltration and unrest strategy didn't work.
Even two way pressure strategy isn't working.

But we never resorted to several strategies. It was always just one.
"Kashmir is an integral part of India". That single strategy makes many run crying and whining like a lunatic widow.
This is the strategy of substance and truth.

Not an empty rhetoric which your babus are spewing.

 

[WAJsal]

Deny responsibility and shift the blame onto Pakistan which has no problem with Kashmiris wanting independence or merger with India. I believe democracy and secular politics should be allowed to run its course. Call an election in Pakistani kashmir with 3 options. Independence, Merger with Pakistan or merger with India. Then reveal the results. I don't know why our pathetic government tries to stiffle voices. That is like Indian thought process. Let all views flourish and separatists-well we should aim to win them over rather than shut them up, something India is constantly doing. @WAJsal whats your take on all this.

Some Azad Kashmiris please speak up!

Couldn't agree more. Pakistan should give equal political and constitutional rights and then conduct a referendum in Pakistan side. This way we can pressurize India, a risk in it as it will make Indians more opposed to referendum in Kashmir, ever wondered why they are so scared of a referendum?

as far as our PM's speech is concerned, absolutely loved it. I can't see why India can refuse these demands. Absolutely acceptable, should be followed up, ASAP.
@Whazzup ,@Spectre , thoughts on 4 points laid by PM? and general thoughts on the whole thing too ?

 

[Spectre]

@Whazzup ,@Spectre , thoughts on 4 points laid by PM? and general thoughts on the whole thing too ?

I have mixed feelings about this - primary issue is lack of trust deficit framed by previous actions like Kargil which was betrayal of Indian faith.

In isolation this was a good speech and could have been a landmark movement in India - Pakistan ties and in insulation from past context here is my response

1: The proposals were an opportunity to bring peace in Kashmir and make a fresh start in converting our postures from adversarial to neutral.

2. It took a lot courage by NS to give concessions to India on some issues important to Pakistan's narrative and this was justified by the positive response of Pakistani populace to the speech, this highlights Pakistan is tired of hostility with India and is ready to take the first step towards tranquility.

3. Demilitarization in Kashmir would specially improve lives of Kashmiri people on Indian side in addition to leaving Pakistan free to deal with scum on their western borders and within. In that it was a very humanitarian proposal.

4. Prima Facie UN monitoring of LOC is not a bad idea, however Shimla Agreement precludes this and is important to Indian stand that no third party should be involved as that would set a precedent post Shimla agreement.

 

[Bang Galore]

I have mixed feelings about this - primary issue is lack of trust deficit framed by previous actions like Kargil which was betrayal of Indian faith.

In isolation this was a good speech and could have been a landmark movement in India - Pakistan ties and in insulation from past context here is my response

You must be looking at it in a manner that very few in India would.

1: The proposals were an opportunity to bring peace in Kashmir and make a fresh start in converting our postures from adversarial to neutral.

Seriously? The proposals were a joke and was certainly made for domestic consumption & not for India to take it seriously.

2. It took a lot courage by NS to give concessions to India on some issues important to Pakistan's narrative and this was justified by the positive response of Pakistani populace to the speech, this highlights Pakistan is tired of hostility with India and is ready to take the first step towards tranquility.

What concession? If Pakistanis gave it a thumbs up, it is because it speaks their narrative.

3. Demilitarization in Kashmir would specially improve lives of Kashmiri people on Indian side in addition to leaving Pakistan free to deal with scum on their western borders and within. In that it was a very humanitarian proposal.

This is another silly suggestion. Why would India demilitarise? So that terrorists can do whatever they want?

4. Prima Facie UN monitoring of LOC is not a bad idea, however Shimla Agreement precludes this and is important to Indian stand that no third party should be involved as that would set a precedent post Shimla agreement.

This was the guarantee of the non-seriousness of the proposal. India would never agree to this & NS knew it.

Add the suggestion of a mutual withdrawal from Siachen which would be an incredible feat since Pakistan isn't on Siachen, you understand why no one takes any of these seriously.

 

[Spectre]

You must be looking at it in a manner that very few in India would.


Seriously? The proposals were a joke and was certainly made for domestic consumption & not for India to take it seriously.



What concession? If Pakistanis gave it a thumbs up, it is because it speaks their narrative.



This is another silly suggestion. Why would India demilitarise? So that terrorists can do whatever they want?


This was the guarantee of the non-seriousness of the proposal. India would never agree to this & NS knew it.

Kindly read highlighted first part of the post which renders the rest of my post hypothetical gobbledygook.

 

[Bang Galore]

Kindly read highlighted first part of the post which renders the rest of my post hypothetical gobbledygook.

I did but you were far too generous (imo) on the contents of the speech, even if seen in isolation.

On subject. this was entirely an wasted effort. For both sides. No one but respective domestic constituencies & the other mentioned have taken any note of this exchange. This pointless exchange of barbs does no one any good.

 

[Spectre]

I did but you were far too generous (imo) on the contents of the speech, even if seen in isolation.

On subject. this was entirely an wasted effort. For both sides. No one but respective domestic constituencies & the other mentioned have taken any note of this exchange. This pointless exchange of barbs does no one any good.

Of-course. Whole of UN is a wasted effort at international cooperation in my IMHO. Various multilateral groupings with common interests can replace UN and no one would be wiser.

 

[Whazzup]

@Whazzup ,@Spectre , thoughts on 4 points laid by PM? and general thoughts on the whole thing too ?

1. We propose Pakistan and India formalize and respect 2003 understanding of a complete ceasefire in Kashmir and LoC

Hmm TBH I won't even go into the crap who violates this ceasefire everytime whether its for supporting infiltrations or anything but do wanna know who really benefits from an unstable/hot LoC its definitely not India we have enough trouble in IAK no need to escalated things in LoC too.

2. We propose Pakistan and India reaffirm that they will not resort to the threat of force under any circumstances

No one can promise that , But I'm sure it won't be terrorist attacks on our soil which will make us resort to threats . Which seems like a issue with your PM here . We ourselves in quite a terrible position with both China and Pakistan hostile to us . So I think there will be no real threat to Pakistan from us.

3. Steps must be taken to demilitarise Kashmir

Not gonna happen. Your PM is acting like a smart arse here he himself know Kashmir face threat from 2 sides and is still a disputed territory . The reason for so many troops is simple our northern command is based there so that pretty much explains why so many troops .

4. Agree to mutually withdraw troops from Siachen

As much as I want this to happen both NS plus Musharraf themselves made sure this will never gonna happen (hint Kargil war.) .


In general I see this as - NS did a great job in decreasing some pressure from his back as after this plus dossier thing India will not be seen as sole victim of terrorism and yet again Kashmir issue got all that attention which we never wanted but nevertheless I'm happy the way BJP is handling the situation (quite ruthlessly actually.)

@Bang Galore