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@Windjammer

You can say anything ; write anything ; believe anything

But the FACT is that India's strength is increasing Rapidly
And the GAP between the Two countries is INCREASING every year

This Present government will make sure that Our Armed forces will become even more stronger

So you should forget about About any comparision between India and Pakistan
 
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Long ago watched a Hindi movie Rang de basanti where they show inferior parts and maintenance of fighter jets killing pilots and loss of aircraft. It does seem the rort and inefficiency during the AKantony's regime is much deeper. Can't comprehend how did they expect to compete with pak leave aside china with such a poor execution. It is just sheer luck that Indian didn't have a war in the past few years else it would have been a repeat of 1962.

I have replied your post in this thread........ When you do the opposite, this is what exactly happens.....
 
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A BIG FAT LIE

Indian Air Force Sukhois Dominate UK Fighter Jets in Combat Exercises

The IAF also encountered no serviceability issues with any of its participating jets. All Su-30s were available for the daily exercises which took place over two blocks, one in the morning, the other in the afternoon for a total of eight sorties daily.

Bubble busted once the RAF decided to reveal the truth.

Defence News - Air Force backs down on Indo-UK exercise 'claims'; says no wins and losses
 
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I have replied your post in this thread........ When you do the opposite, this is what exactly happens.....
Need more explanation what exactly you want to say.

IAF Chief hints at design flaw in Su-30 MKI
By Air Marshal (Retd) V.K. Bhatia


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On August 4, while on a visit to Pune, Chief of the Air Staff Air Chief Marshal N.A.K. Browne revealed that the Indian Air Force (IAF) had identified a ‘design flaw’ with the Russian-made supersonic fighter aircraft Su-30 MKI. “We have identified a ‘fly-by-wire’ problem with the aircraft. It is a design issue and we have taken it up with the design agency,” he explained. The Air Chief was speaking to the reporters on the sidelines of a function held to mark the Golden Jubilee Celebrations of the Armed Forces Medical College (AFMC) where he also released a postal stamp to commemorate the AFMC Golden Jubilee.


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Air Chief ‘Charlie’ Browne was obviously referring to the December 13, 2011 crash of a Su-30 MKI fighter aircraft. While the two pilots managed to eject safely, the problems of a design flaw resurfaced during the ensuing Court of Inquiry, instituted by the IAF.

After a flawless flight safety record spanning more than a decade since its induction into service in 1997, it was on April 30, 2009, the IAF lost its first Su-30 MKI. Since then, two more ‘Sukhois’ have been lost in accidents. Interestingly, two of the three CAT-I accidents were attributable to malfunction of the fly-by-wire (FBW) systems. But what were the causes of malfunctions/failures?

The Su-30 MKI’s aerodynamic construction is an unstable longitudinal tri-plane that confers its unprecedented agility. Like most modern jet fighters, this highly unstable platform is manoeuvred by computer-controlled FBW system. Multi-layered backup systems are necessary as without the FBW, the aircraft cannot be manually controlled by the pilots. To ensure near-ultimate safety, the Su-30 MKI’s FBW system is endowed with quadruple redundancy. If one of the FBW channels becomes faulty, it automatically gets disconnected from the system, suitably warning the crew to take appropriate actions. A level-1 failure does not jeopardise the mission, while a level-2 failure would demand a diversion to the nearest suitable airfield. With so much in-built redundancy, a level-3 failure would normally be rarer than one in a million possibility which unless quickly rectified could lead to the loss of aircraft.

If the above be true, how did the IAF land up in a situation losing two Su-30 MKIs within a span of less than three years due to FBW system malfunctions? The Court of Inquiry constituted for the first accident found the accident was caused by the incorrect position of critical switches behind the pilots outside their field of view. The aircraft crashed when a crucial FBW switch was toggled disabling the flight control system. Was it therefore, a self-inflicted tragedy?

The findings of the December 2011 accident, are yet to find their way into the public domain. However, if incorrect positioning of the switches is once again established to be the cause of the accident, it would be evident that corrective actions in the aftermath of the first accident—that of inhibiting the identified crucial switches—did not prove to be fully effective. The fact that the second accident occurred soon after take-off, the possible wrong positioning of the switches on the ground itself may have escaped the pilots’ attention, as they continue to be located outside the pilots’ normal field of view. Was this “the design defect’ that was alluded to by the CAS during his Pune trip?
IAF Chief hints at design flaw in Su-30 MKI - SP's Aviation
 
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Russians go slow, Sukhoi fleet in trouble

VISHAL THAPAR New Delhi | 15th Mar 2014
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shocking 50% of the Indian Air Force's (IAF's) Sukhoi-30 MKI fighter fleet is on the ground due to unresolved servicing issues with the aircraft's Russian manufacturers. This has also eroded the combat capability of India's frontline long-range strike aircraft and compromised even that part of the fleet which is capable of being flown.

The IAF and Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) have rung the alarm bells about the repeated mid-flight failure of the Su-30 mission computer and the blanking out of all cockpit displays. The Russians have not responded to the repeated SOS' from the Indians for over a year.

These disclosures have been made in leaked communications between HAL and Russian agencies. These are in exclusive possession of The Sunday Guardian.

The managing director of HAL's Nasik complex, which is tasked with assembly and repair of the IAF Sukhois, has, in vain, desperately flagged "multiple cases of repeated failure of Mission Computer-1 and blanking out of Head Up Displays (HUD) and all Multi-Function Displays (MFD) in flight" with earmarked representatives of both Rosboronexport — the Russian government's arms export agency — and Irkut, the original manufacturer of the Sukhoi-30.

"As the displays blanking off is a serious and critical issue affecting the exploitation of aircraft (it) needs corrective action/remedial measures on priority," he pleads in a letter dated 28 February this year, reminding the Russians that he's been raising the issue since 7 March 2013 but to no avail.

Failures of the mission computer and cockpit displays are critical. The entire sortie is programmed on the mission computer, which is vital for managing requirements of aerial combat. The "blanking off" of cockpit displays distracts pilots and diverts attention away from the mission. The IAF is worried at the spearhead of its fighter fleet being hit by these nagging snags. The IAF has planned a Sukhoi-30 fleet of 272 aircraft, of which an estimated 200 have been delivered.

Air Marshal Denzil Keelor, one of IAF's most decorated fighter pilots, is dismayed. "In-flight failures such as the ones being reported render a fighter aircraft vulnerable. When a fighter is being flown below optimum capability, it becomes more vulnerable to an adversary. No aircraft should be flown unless it performing to 100% capability," he warns.

What seems even more worrying is the Russian go-slow, which has severely hit the maintenance and availability of the fleet. Even five years after the signing of contract for the setting up of Su-30 repair and overhaul facilities in India at HAL, there's no progress despite "agreements" and assurances even at the level of the Defence Ministers of the two countries.

"Due to non-availability of facilities for overhaul of aggregates (aircraft parts), the serviceability (availability for flying) of Su-30MKI is slowly decreasing and demand for Aircraft on Ground (AOG) items on the rise," HAL's Nasik division again pleads with Russia's Rosboronexport in a telling letter dated 24 December 2013. Even the revised deadlines committed the Russians to set up the repair-overhaul facility at HAL by December 2013, and overhaul the first aircraft by June 2014. This seems nowhere on the horizon.

Worse, Russia has put on hold the posting of its Sukhoi specialists to India for helping set up repair and maintenance capability. Documents available with The Sunday Guardian suggest that the two sides are haggling over price. This goes against an agreement that posting of Russian specialists would not be disrupted even if price negotiations were not concluded. In the absence of these specialists, HAL has been forced to fend on its own, as Aircraft on Ground (AOG) are piling up.

"Huge quantities of unserviceable aggregates (parts) are lying due for overhaul at various bases of IAF," HAL states, disclosing that the number of Su-30s being grounded for want of quick repair is increasing. The Russians have been informed that five Su-30MKI fighters are already parked at HAL for extensive overhaul, and another 15 will be due for overhaul in the current year. This number is equivalent to an entire squadron.

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Lamenting the Russian delays, HAL expresses even more helplessness: "It appears that Rosboronexport and Irkut Corporation (the main parties to the contract) have limited control over other Russian companies (which provide vital parts like engines)." Supplies and deputation of specialists by other companies are even more erratic.

While warning that operating the fighters without conclusively sorting out the recurring snags could affect pilot confidence, Air Marshal P.S. Ahluwalia, who recently headed the IAF's Western Command, also questions the Ministry of Defence and HAL for the sorry state of affairs. "It's an issue of mismanagement of maintenance arrangements. The Ministry of Defence's Department of Defence Production is responsible. They have failed to resolve the problems," he says.

As the Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief of the Western Air Command, Air Marshal Ahluwalia did not hesitate to ground the MiG-29 fleet for three months after suspicions of its airworthiness arose following a crash. He flew the fleet again only after the maintenance issue was nailed.

Figures reveal how serious the problem of availability of the IAF's Su-30MKI fleet is. Against the Sukhoi figure of just 50% aircraft fit for operational flying, statistics reveal just how much ground is to be covered. The availability rates of the IAF's French-origin Mirage-2000 and even the Russian-origin MiG-29 is about 75%. As India quibbles with Russia over maintenance arrangements, the larger question is: What good is a weapon if it cannot be used?
Russians go slow, Sukhoi fleet in trouble
 
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Sorry if you have just come out of a coma....the incident happened in 2008, but i can understand your nightmare of 1965.

SInce you are an IGNORANT person ; Let me tell you that
USA saved you in 2008

Now USA has REFUSED to Help you

Hence Lt Gen Naseer Janjua; your NSA
MET with Our NSA and requested for PEACE
 
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We were just being Polite

UK is our Friend ; Eurofighter is a great plane and we will EXERCISE again with them

BTW we are going to RED Flag ; Want to join ?

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@Windjammer YOU have an Ostrich attitude
Mr Head up.....errr in the clouds.
PAF has been exercising with Rapptors.....want to dream. :lol:

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I Had Been Gone Through Full CAG Audit report And Here to Bust the Bubble of Shoddy Paid Journalism Here is the Few Articles That Surfacing From Few Days

  • First Claim of the Paid Journos that Sukhoi MKI have poor Serviceability of 45-50 % claims Busted in CAG Report Itself
India defence minister admits Su-30 serviceability issues | IHS Jane's 360

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In Following Page Finding of the CAG Report that Operational Availability of MKI is Close to 60 % over period of time and Risen over Each year from 55.90 in 2006 to 59.73 in 2010-11
Im sure the figure of @Abingdonboy of 65 % is Correct which shows the actual Serviceability of Sukhoi-30 MKI.It will be Improved By End of this year


HAL Along With Govt Signing Pact With Russian to Rise Up Serviceability to
75% which will be Signed Withing This Month During PM Visit to Moscow

India, Russia to sign pact on spares for Su 30 fleet, availability could go up to 75% - The Economic Times


@PARIKRAMA @MilSpec @knight11 What's you onTake On CAG Audit Report
 
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Great ; we have never exercised with F 22

This time we would do so

But HAVING exercised with F 15 ; F 16; Eurofighter and RAFALE
we can CONFIDENTLY say that SU 30 MKI is a very powerful plane
Yes only in close air dog fight with F-35 or Raptors but can't say about F-16 and Euro fighter, But defiantly the are quite inferior in electronics and BVR engagements.
 
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