From pk-15 , JF-17 Thunder and Al Khalid to fifth generation stealth fighter jet project Azm

[Abid123]

no one. I just open my eyes and my ears, and use my brain to analyze the situation.

Seems like your brain is underdeveloped or you are just really bad at analyzing.

 

[Trango Towers]

Shut up your self. You have absolutely no argument. You are just irritated to see the evidence.


And you a noob thinking that the unskilled pakistani and copycat chinese are better than west aerospace engineers with 80+ years of refinement behind them.

In case of a conflict between Chinese or Pak weapons and west ones, it will be the same than in Ukraine : a big scale technical defeat.
We already have a first lesson in Irak in 1991, but it was said that iraki have no premium russian weapons (ie T72 without the best armor for exemple)... We thought may be not. But in Ukraine it's full option russian weapons that are smashed all day long, and china has nothing more potent. Only numbers.

More waffle.
OK I am going to agree with you

1. Jf17 is actually a mig21
2. Tejas is a micro plane and that's why India fcdup..your claim micro fighter not mine
3. Pakistanis cannot do shit other than serve tea to brave warriors who fly mig 21 bosons in the most advanced airforce in our galaxy. That's smasung galaxy and not the milky way.
4. I mean how can us Pakistani compete with a superior monkey force that drinks urine and smears itself in cow poop for protection against nukes.
5. Tejas is no longer on the truck and as its better than the f22 raptor only a single aircraft flown by abinandhan can take out the entire Pakistani terrorist airforce but after tea.
6. Now please f off and suck a dummy

 

[BON PLAN]

your homes are full of goods manufactured in China. There was a shortage of cars and IT hardware due to a chip shortage because of covid measures in China.

Full of things non vital.
Full of things built in China only because we agreed to, for cost reason only.

 

[BON PLAN]

First rafale sale came 30 years after first aircraft production .

No.
First serial rafale production 1996. Before it was the demonstrator (Rafale A) and prototyps.
1st export 2015

 

[313ghazi]

Full of things non vital.
Full of things built in China only because we agreed to, for cost reason only.

I'd argue about non vital, but let's concede that for a second.

What is the quality of the non vital items? Your remote control, your microwave, your Adidas trainers - is the quality compromised?

In the West we never had Russian brands, yet Chinese brands are becoming mainstream. Huawei for example. Its not the same as the Soviet Union.

 

[Signalian]

The use case it was built for, was India in mind. For that use case, it offers tremendous amounts of capability similar to the Rafale in terms of AESA, advance BVR missiles, etc. It is however inferior in EW compared to Rafale

A homemade EW pod has been used by JFT against western aircraft in Exs successfully. The other aircraft lost JFT on radar.

 

[Signalian]

The two planes are not oxing in the same league. One is a light and mainly a point defense fighter and the other a medium with long range fighter.
Rafale will evolve also. F4 is in the pipe and F5 already in R&D phase. Rafale may have a tile, 270° coverage GaN radar when JF17 will only have a first gen AESA 120° radar.

Engine will always be a problem. And so probably radar.
You will have to be dependant on China for this.
Turkey has the same problem : no engine for its TFX (F110 for prototyp, but what alse for serial product?)

For a fair comparison, all specs of both aircrafts have to be known. As an example, specs of Spectra of Rafale are mainly known, but EW package of JFT or J-10 is not known widely, while F-16's EW pods are also known.

 

[BON PLAN]

non vital items? Your remote control, your microwave, your Adidas trainers - is the quality compromised?

Those are non vital items. As 15 $ watch with 6 month life span, the microwave purchased 35 $ and broken after 15 months, as the christmas toys for the young, with defeats and so one.

specs of Spectra of Rafale are mainly known

You only know the freq range. And even for that all is not fully said... and absolutely nothing about the signal treatments, the refinement of its, and if it is, or not, a kind of electronic signal suppression for exemple (active stealth).
A third of Rafale cost is made of Spectra. It is the main asset of the bird. It is a jealously hidden secret. And it evolved more frequently than the bird standard.

 

[Abid123]

. No chinese weapon is combat proven so far... just think about that.

LMAO... Which french weapon is combat proven?

 

[BON PLAN]

LMAO... Which french weapon is combat proven?

Rafale, Exocet, AMX10RC, AMX30, Caesar, HOT and MILAN missile, FAMAS, Hammer.... and so one.

 

[Ajamal]

brother JF-17 Block-3 is nowhere close to Rafale, if you go by the capabilities of both the aircrafts.

JF-17 Block-3 is comparable to Tejas MK1A in terms of capabilities.

Not comparable to Tejas Mk1 A evenif it achieves all capabilities it has planned for.

Rafale, Exocet, AMX10RC, AMX30, Caesar, HOT and MILAN missile, FAMAS, Hammer.... and so one.

You forget MICA.

 

[Signalian]

Those are non vital items. As 15 $ watch with 6 month life span, the microwave purchased 35 $ and broken after 15 months, as the christmas toys for the young, with defeats and so one.


You only know the freq range. And even for that all is not fully said... and absolutely nothing about the signal treatments, the refinement of its, and if it is, or not, a kind of electronic signal suppression for exemple (active stealth).
A third of Rafale cost is made of Spectra. It is the main asset of the bird. It is a jealously hidden secret. And it evolved more frequently than the bird standard.

The information on spectra is still more than any EW system of JF-17, along with all the components in Spectra.

 

[Princeps Senatus]

Not comparable to Tejas Mk1 A evenif it achieves all capabilities it has planned for.

Why?

 

[BON PLAN]

You forget MICA.

As far as I know, MICA was not used in real.

The information on spectra is still more than any EW system of JF-17, along with all the components in Spectra.

No. The Spectra active jammer is absolutely not known except from Thales.
Specta drained 25% of the whole Rafale R&D costs (costs including radar, OSF, engine, frame...). It is HUGE. As It is not a first try from Thales in elctronic system, it means something.
Note that before Spectra, a first very advanced system, choosen against US system was the CORIACE of the belgium F16. A first time where electronic stealth was said...

 

[siegecrossbow]

A homemade EW pod has been used by JFT against western aircraft in Exs successfully. The other aircraft lost JFT on radar.

Do you have more information on this? Was this an internal exercise or abroad like Anatolian Eagles?