From MiG-21 to JF-17. The evolution of the ultimate single engine light fighter.

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

MiG-21. First flight 1956. Introduced 1959. Served in 60 countries, more than any other fighter jet. More than 10,000 were built. Still used by many countries today. Mach 2 speed. Robust. Low RCS due to use of nose cone intake. The most iconic fighter jet ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21

JF-17. First flight 2003. Introduced 2007. Developed from Super 7, a heavily upgraded and modified J-7 / F-7 which is Chinese copy of MiG-21. Latest technologies such as DSI, digital quadruplex FBW, MAWS, has full glass cockpit, to be upgraded with AESA and IRST.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

@pakistanipower @nahtanbob @gambit @vostok @F-22Raptor

 

[nahtanbob]

were the early model f-16s ever considered as light fighter ?

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

were the early model f-16s ever considered as light fighter ?

Correct. So was YF-17 which developed into F-18. These days F-16 and F-18 are considered mid size built around 1 large engine or 2 mid size engines. JF-17 and Gripen and F-5 and F-20 and Tejas are small size, built around 1 mid size engine or 2 small size engines.

 

[Kompromat]

Rubbish, anyone who believes this garbage is an idiot at best.

JF-17 is a clean sheet design. It shares NOTHING in common with Mig-21 design philosophy.

JF-17s DNA came from PAF's experience with F-16s and its comprehensive test flights of F-20 Tigershark and JAS-39 Gripen.

 

[MastanKhan]

Rubbish, anyone who believes this garbage is an idiot at best.

JF-17 is a clean sheet design. It shares NOTHING in common with Mig-21 design philosophy.

JF-17s DNA came from PAF's experience with F-16s and its comprehensive test flights of F-20 Tigershark and JAS-39 Gripen.

Hi,

What kind of BS is this thread---. Why have you not closed this thread by now---?

 

[nahtanbob]

Rubbish, anyone who believes this garbage is an idiot at best.

JF-17 is a clean sheet design. It shares NOTHING in common with Mig-21 design philosophy.

JF-17s DNA came from PAF's experience with F-16s and its comprehensive test flights of F-20 Tigershark and JAS-39 Gripen.

the aircraft was designed by China. mig-21 or j-7 was the most advanced aircraft in PLAAF inventory for a long time.

Since Pakistan was under sanctions for most of the 1990s is there any record of JAS-39 ever flown by PAF pilots ?
@A.P. Richelieu

 

[Ultima Thule]

MiG-21. First flight 1956. Introduced 1959. Served in 60 countries, more than any other fighter jet. More than 10,000 were built. Still used by many countries today. Mach 2 speed. Robust. Low RCS due to use of nose cone intake. The most iconic fighter jet ever.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-21

JF-17. First flight 2003. Introduced 2007. Developed from Super 7, a heavily upgraded and modified J-7 / F-7 which is Chinese copy of MiG-21. Latest technologies such as DSI, digital quadruplex FBW, MAWS, has full glass cockpit, to be upgraded with AESA and IRST.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CAC/PAC_JF-17_Thunder

Your info is wrong it was based on Canceled Soviet/Russian designed of Mig-33/Project-33 which was purchased by China and improved it according to PAF need @undertakerwwefan

Mig-33/project 33

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@undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Your info is wrong it was based on Canceled Soviet/Russian designed of Mig-33/Project-33 which was purchased by China and improved it according to PAF need @undertakerwwefan

Mig-33/project 33
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@undertakerwwefan

Nope. Too different. JF-17 developed from Super 7.

1980s Super 7

1990s Super 7

 

[Ultima Thule]

Nope. Too different. JF-17 developed from Super 7.

1980s Super 7

1990s Super 7

Super seven project was canceled after Tiananmen Square protests and restarted as FC-1 in 95 with Pakistan @undertakerwwefan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Histo...f_China_(1976–1989)#Tiananmen_Square_protests

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Super seven project was canceled after Tiananmen Square protests and restarted as FC-1 in 95 with Pakistan @undertakerwwefan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China_(1976–1989)#Tiananmen_Square_protests

Yes but it was almost complete by that time and it developed into JF-17.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Yes but it was almost complete by that time and it developed into JF-17.

No super seven and FC-1 had no link, both were separate Projects, Super seven was upgrades of F-7 but FC-1 was not its a whole new design @undertakerwwefan

 

[TexasJohn]

You guys already beat this issue to death - back in 2014!!

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17s-various-initial-design-phases-design-resemblances.297591/

 

[Kompromat]

Wrong.

JF-17 was designed by a joint team of Sino Pakistani scientists and engineers. The design requirements were laid out by the customer, PAF not Chengdu.

Pakistan tested both F-20 in late 80s and Gripen in 90s.

the aircraft was designed by China. mig-21 or j-7 was the most advanced aircraft in PLAAF inventory for a long time.

Since Pakistan was under sanctions for most of the 1990s is there any record of JAS-39 ever flown by PAF pilots ?
@A.P. Richelieu

 

[Tokhme khar]

The cancelled Mig-33 was the base from which this JF-17 evolved from. The cancelled Mig-33 program was sold off to the Chinese in the mid-90's by the Russians.