Friendly Fire Incident Or a major plot?

[PeeD]

That's the risk an over horizon autonomous AshM brings.

Only a complex satcom based system could help here... and of course... never launch it when anything friendly is close to it.

 

[Arminkh]

I blame all these unfortunate events on the fast pace of development and high tempo of operations in Iran..When a country such as Iran moves at this incredible speed toward full industrialization and dominance of middle east region and is doing that while swimming in an ocean of hostility it is not so unusual events. Just look at the speed by which this country is developing various weapon systems from scratch . Operational procedures, safety procedures and training are all elements that get pushed back when you are facing immanent threats such as Iran is... so yes that is the price a country has to pay to get up there with the giants...

I totally agree. What you mentioned is definitely a factor. Training and safety culture cannot keep up with this pace of development.

 

[Draco.IMF]

is it possible that the missile was "fed" with false informations/coordinates (electronic warfare) and thats why the the corvette was hit?

I mean, iranian anti ship missiles have a CEP of <5 meter, and we should believe that it mistakenly hit a corvette which was hundred meters away of the target?

Is it possible that this incident was an revenge for the allegedly attack on israels water infrastructure by iran?

just thinking of possibilities/theories..

 

[Shawnee]

is it possible that the missile was "fed" with false informations/coordinates (electronic warfare) and thats why the the corvette was hit?

I mean, iranian anti ship missiles have a CEP of <5 meter, and we should believe that it mistakenly hit a corvette which was hundred meters away of the target?

Is it possible that this incident was an revenge for the allegedly attack on israels water infrastructure by iran?

just thinking of possibilities/theories..

These are all unlikely since the operator did intend to hit the wrong ship.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Is it possible that this incident was an revenge for the allegedly attack on israels water infrastructure by iran?

What attack? Iran never attacked Israeli forces, just the opposite.

 

[QWECXZ]

What attack? Iran never attacked Israeli forces, just the opposite.

He probably means a cyber attack on Israeli water infrastructures that circulated on the internet few days ago.

 

[zartosht]

really bad friendly fire incident. no other way to sugar coat it. it doesn't get any worse then shooting missiles and sinking your own ship..... inexcusable incompetence by Iran's navy.

add this to the Damavand incident and its easy to see Irans navy has some training issues.

I don't see though why people are bringing the shootdown incident into this.. completely unrelated and really not the military's fault there. It was the governments fault for not closing down the airspace.

the airdefence forces were on a war footing, and saw a potential hostile aircraft coming at them. and they did what they were trained to do. put any air defense force on a war footing,give them a green light to shoot and tell them to expect imminent aerial attacks, keep your air space open to civilian flights.. and see what happens....

the only consolation though it seems the navy's problems are related more to the conventional navy and not the irgc navy.. Irans conventional navy really doesn't serve much purpose besides national prestige, and anti-pirate duty in my opinion. if it was the IRGC navy making these mistakes then there would be cause for concern.

 

[striver44]

imagine what a complex naval war between iran and NATO will look like

 

[Shawnee]

imagine what a complex naval war between iran and NATO will look like

Yea
Like the global hawk shoot down by Iranian AD. Very complex.

 

[Blue In Green]

The notion of simplest explanation automatically being the correct one is flawed when the hypothesis is that the incidents are designed to look like human-error "accidents".

All I am saying is that if I was in charge to topple IRI. This is exactly what I would do:



Again, I am not calling the incident to be a plot simply because they are highly beneficiary for Irans adversaries. However, I am saying that it is definitely a possibility simply because they have most to gain and initiating such acts would be much cheaper that direct conflict with Iran.

Oh absolutely, that argument holds some weight for sure, I don't doubt that at all lol.

 

[TruthHurtz]

The missile and boat were fake.

Nothing happened, move on.

 

[Navigator]

is it possible that the missile was "fed" with false informations/coordinates (electronic warfare) and thats why the the corvette was hit?
I mean, iranian anti ship missiles have a CEP of <5 meter, and we should believe that it mistakenly hit a corvette which was hundred meters away of the target?

In case of such cruise missile with seeker, there is not used such a thing as CEP.
Overall such missiles as Noor (C-802) act as follows. After missile ship or coastal defence battery finding a target in a specific area, the missile launches and flies into the area using an inertial guidance system. On approaching this area, an autonomous active radar homing seeking is turned on and begins to search for potential targets in this area. If several targets are detected, the board computer on missile selects the targets, depending on their priority. In the case of a group launches of missiles, data is exchanged between them with the distribution of targets. Then the missile flies to the chosen target and hits it.
High automatisation of such missiles allows them not to depend on anyone after launch, which is very valuable in real combat operations on big ranges. Even if the ship that launched the missiles is destroyed immediately after launch, this will not stop the missiles. If target ship sharp changes its course will not help either, since the cruise missile is looking for potential targets not in a small point, but in a specific wide area.
But the price for this is the possibility that a missile can choose a larger ship of yours or a third party, if it appears in the target area in this moment.

 

[raptor22]

really bad friendly fire incident. no other way to sugar coat it. it doesn't get any worse then shooting missiles and sinking your own ship..... inexcusable incompetence by Iran's navy.

add this to the Damavand incident and its easy to see Irans navy has some training issues.

I don't see though why people are bringing the shootdown incident into this.. completely unrelated and really not the military's fault there. It was the governments fault for not closing down the airspace.

the airdefence forces were on a war footing, and saw a potential hostile aircraft coming at them. and they did what they were trained to do. put any air defense force on a war footing,give them a green light to shoot and tell them to expect imminent aerial attacks, keep your air space open to civilian flights.. and see what happens....

the only consolation though it seems the navy's problems are related more to the conventional navy and not the irgc navy.. Irans conventional navy really doesn't serve much purpose besides national prestige, and anti-pirate duty in my opinion. if it was the IRGC navy making these mistakes then there would be cause for concern.

Well the Damavand incident wasn't all about training issues ,the modifications that NAVY went through on Damavand 2 to improve its performance like increasing number of engines, adding bow thruster & new hull design with more thickness indicated that design had some flaws needed to be fixed ... on shooting down the plane the tragedy could have been avoided if a proper electroptics sensor was installed on the TOR AD system deployed in that night while undoubtedly administration must have closed the air space ...
Bottom line is these incidents occur for everyone no matter how advance they are .. for example last Nov U.S. F-16 droped 230-kg mock bomb on a farmland in Japan .. or HMS Queen Elizabeth AC still leaks .. or Nyonoksa radiation accident last August in Russia .. So both IRGC or Army need to focus on their protocols & training and update them to make sure such an incident won't happen never ever again.
Other issue that bothers me the most is lack of a proper spokesman for army or IRGC to release data and information first handedly in such a situation.
For now I just shed tear for our lost in air and sea... R.I.P to all of them & meanwhile tip my hat for our military men that have truly made Iran untouchable.

 

[Safriz]

It was upgraded version of C-802 Noor with IR seeker.

 

[TheImmortal]

There is a Iranian joke circulating now on social media with Iran saying to the US “that if you threaten or pressure us more we will target the Milad Tower in Tehran next”.

Truly a damaging loss of reputation by Iranian armed forces.


Also why even build these types of corvettes with no defense system? If one outdated C-802 missile can take it out, then what is the point? Hopefully Iran starts developing passive defense measures for ALL types of Iranian warships not just the big ones.

This ship was defenseless and even if detected the missile could do nothing against it.