French Obsession and Colonial Oppression against the Muslim Woman's Hijab

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Historical Fact

 

[jamahir]

The news agency which produced that vid is TRT World, an agency supported by the Erdogan government which wants women not only to wear the headscarf ( "hijab" ) but also the veil.

One indication of Erdogan's regressiveness is his wife wearing heavy clothing.

Compare that with how Turkey's own history-based teleserial Ertugrul dresses its leading actress :

It seems that TRT World wants women to wear the veil / niqab / burqa, but there is nothing Islamic about this piece of garment. It is a pre-Islamic artifact. Actually a Jewish tradition. An Egyptian woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa :

An Egyptian lawmaker has said members of parliament are drafting a law that would ban women from wearing the burqa in government institutions after alleging the Islamic full-face veil was a "Jewish tradition".

Amna Nosseir said on Sunday that the proposed ban would be in the best interest of Egyptian society and that she has been battling against the burqa over the past 40 years.

Nosseir, who wears the hijab, said on Wednesday that the burqa - known in Arabic as the niqab - had its origins in Jewish religious law.

"In the Old Testament, you find in chapter 38 that the Jewish religious authorities tell you that if Jewish women leave the house without covering the face and head then they are breaking Jewish religious law," the lawmaker said during an interview with local media.

"I have gathered around 20 texts by Jewish religious authorities that completely forbid women from showing their faces and heads," Nosseir said while discussing also banning female university students from wearing "ripped jeans" in lectures.

She added that this part of Jewish law became entrenched in pre-Islamic Arab tribes of the Arabian Peninsula and then spread throughout the Middle East with the Muslim conquests.

The verse the lawmaker could be referring to is Genesis 38, where a biblical figure encounters his daughter-in-law in the street and mistakes her for a prostitute because she had covered her face with a veil.

It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa. It is also to be observed that it was Western-supported Muslim leaders who encouraged burqa. Example, in Afghanistan in the 80s the socialist government enabled women at least in the cities to go without the burqa but the Western governments birthed the Al Qaeda and later the Taliban who brought the burqa back.

Watch this vid about Nasser recalling his meeting with the chief of the Muslim Brotherhood who wanted Nasser to impose the burqa on Egyptian women. Note the reaction of the audience.

This article describes the West-boot-licking anti-women attitude of the Muslim Brotherhood gang :

“The parties were dissolved, and we clashed with the Muslim Brotherhood party, during the four years, in 1953 and in 1954 … We were embroiled in dispute, they declared war against us, and they shot at me on October, 26, 1954 in Alexandria … Terrorist members in the Muslim Brotherhood party were arrested, and they were judged,” Nasser said during the statement.

“In 1954, we were negotiating with the British [forces occupying Egypt at the time] for the evacuation [deal]. At the same time, the Muslim Brotherhood members were holding secret meetings with the members of the British Embassy. They were telling them: we will be able to seize power,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the Muslim Brotherhood party has never held the patriotic feelings which Egyptians have held, adding: “The Supreme Guide of the Muslim Brotherhood at the time when we were fighting in the Canal was asked: what is your stance on the war in the canal. He said: We are a wide (international) call. Perhaps the war in the canal comes for your benefit here in Egypt, while we think it is beneficial to fight in another country.”

“This is the call of the Muslim Brotherhood. All of [their] speech is full of deception and [exploitation of] religion,” Nasser stated.

Similar to what happened following 2011 revolution when people decided to reconcile with the Muslim Brotherhood, perhaps because the youth who led the January revolution were not familiar with the MB policies, Abdel Nasser said he reconciled with the MB members, explaining that the reconciliation however, failed to turn them into good citizens.

“In 1953, we actually and honestly wanted to cooperate with the Muslim Brotherhood supposing that [this will make its members] take the right path. I met with the General guide of the Muslim Brotherhood. He issued [some] demands,” Nasser said.

The late President said that the MB guide asked him to force Egyptian women to wear Islamic veil and to shut cinemas and theaters.

Nasser said: “He told me that you as a ruler is responsible [for veiling women]. I told him, you have a daughter in the Faculty of Medicine who is unveiled. Why didn’t you force her to wear a veil? If you are not able to make your daughter wear a veil, [how] would you want me to [force] 10 million women to wear veils in the country?”

“Then, [he told me] that women must not [go to] work. I think that when a woman works, we are protecting her [this way]. Why do [some women] go astray? They do so because of the need and poverty. We all know such stories of women whose sons or mothers are sick and they did not find money, so they were forced to sell their bodies. Therefore, work is a protection for women, while preventing women from work [works] against her. We actually liberate women by [allowing] them to work and cooperate with the man,” Nasser added.

“Last year, in 1964, before the constitution, I released them all from the prison, and we issued a law to return every one of them to his work with the same salary and promotion prospects. In 1965, we seized the new conspiracy of the Muslim Brotherhood; secret system, and assassination and destruction plans,” the late President said.

Nasser said that Muslim Brotherhood group says that all the [Egyptian] people are disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslims. According to Nasser, The MB members say they refuse people representation, and the Parliament. He added that the MB group considers the kings and presidents of the Arab and other countries as disbelievers, and that the MB members are the only Muslim people.

“They were arrested, and we also arrested all old MB organizations … It is not about the assassination of Gamal Abdel Nasser. If Abdel Nasser was assassinated, a thousand people similar to Gamal Abdel Nasser would emerge, but we can never accept that [our] people be assassinated,” Nasser stated.

“We started to view [their cases]; all people who participated in these secret organizations will be referred to judgment. All dangerous people who we released in 1964 and had basically represented heads or dangerous members in the secret organizations will be [imprisoned]. After that, the rest of [the MB group members] will be released. We will give them another chance. If somebody of them [commits similar illegal actions] we will arrest him and we will never get him out of prison.”

“It is enough. We cannot take a gamble on the rewards we achieved during the 13 past years,” Nasser stated, adding that the MB group uses Islam to deceive people and grab them to join the party.

Concerning the MB, “they are neither Muslims, nor brothers. They are malevolent … Their leaders outside [the country] cooperated with Baghdad Pact, colonial countries, all our enemies, and Arab reactionary, and proved with clear evidence that the MB party or movement is only a movement that works for the benefit of colonialism and reactionary, by which it is funded.

I must narrate an incident that happened with me. A few years ago I walked into a restaurant and there was sitting a Muslim family of four : a young husband and wife, their child and perhaps the husband's mother. The mother - the older woman - was wearing a strange contraption on her face. It was like a niqab / veil but made of metal. Maybe they were from Iran or from some Arab area, I don't know. The wife wore the burqa but not the veil. She looked at me shyly for just a second more which angered the husband and he began behaving a bit aggressively.

 

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The news agency which produced that vid is TRT World, an agency supported by the Erdogan government which wants women not only to wear the headscarf ( "hijab" ) but also the veil.

One indication of Erdogan's regressiveness is his wife wearing heavy clothing.

Compare that with how Turkey's own history-based teleserial Ertugrul dresses its leading actress :

It seems that TRT World wants women to wear the veil / niqab / burqa, but there is nothing Islamic about this piece of garment. It is a pre-Islamic artifact. Actually a Jewish tradition. An Egyptian woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa :




It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa. It is also to be observed that it was Western-supported Muslim leaders who encouraged burqa. Example, in Afghanistan in the 80s the socialist government enabled women at least in the cities to go without the burqa but the Western governments birthed the Al Qaeda and later the Taliban who brought the burqa back.

Watch this vid about Nasser recalling his meeting with the chief of the Muslim Brotherhood who wanted Nasser to impose the burqa on Egyptian women. Note the reaction of the audience.

This article describes the West-boot-licking anti-women attitude of the Muslim Brotherhood gang :

I must narrate an incident that happened with me. A few years ago I walked into a restaurant and there was sitting a Muslim family of four : a young husband-and-wife, their child and perhaps the husband's mother. The mother - the older woman - was wearing a strange contraption on her face. It was like a niqab / veil but made of metal. Maybe they were from Iran or from some Arab area, I don't know. The wife wore the burqa but not the veil. She looked at me shyly for just a second more which angered the husband and he began behaving a bit aggressively.

Get yourself a shelter if you don't own a home.

 

[jamahir]

Get yourself a shelter if you don't own a home.

1. What seems to have angered you ?

2. You seem to take homelessness not seriously.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

The news agency which produced that vid is TRT World, an agency supported by the Erdogan government which wants women not only to wear the headscarf ( "hijab" ) but also the veil.

They not want anything from anyone. only emphasizing the importance of freedom of choice.

One indication of Erdogan's regressiveness is his wife wearing heavy clothing.

Her body, her choice. Why are you so much threatened by a woman's clothes??

It seems that TRT World wants women to wear the veil / niqab / burqa

Again they don't want anything from anyone.

but there is nothing Islamic about this piece of garment. It is a pre-Islamic artifact. Actually a Jewish tradition.

Islamic or not, everybody has the right to wear whatever they want if it doesn't hurt any other person.

An Egyptian woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa

2/3 piece suit is also non-Islamic/Jewish dress. Ban it for men too.

It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa.

Why should men dictate what their women should wear or not. A woman is a complete human. She can decide what she can wear or not. Stop this Patriarchal mindset. And BTW the people you mentioned were cruel dictators who deserved to die like rabid dogs as happened with them.

I must narrate an incident that happened with me. A few years ago I walked into a restaurant and there was sitting a Muslim family of four : a young husband and wife, their child and perhaps the husband's mother. The mother - the older woman - was wearing a strange contraption on her face. It was like a niqab / veil but made of metal. Maybe they were from Iran or from some Arab area, I don't know. The wife wore the burqa but not the veil. She looked at me shyly for just a second more which angered the husband and he began behaving a bit aggressively.

Staring stranger women is not a good practice specially if she is someone's wife and a mother. You should thank God you didn't got a bloody nose that day. I think that metal veil was specifically reserved for misogynists like you.

 

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The news agency which produced that vid is TRT World, an agency supported by the Erdogan government which wants women not only to wear the headscarf ( "hijab" ) but also the veil.

One indication of Erdogan's regressiveness is his wife wearing heavy clothing.

Compare that with how Turkey's own history-based teleserial Ertugrul dresses its leading actress :

It seems that TRT World wants women to wear the veil / niqab / burqa, but there is nothing Islamic about this piece of garment. It is a pre-Islamic artifact. Actually a Jewish tradition. An Egyptian woman parliamentarian and academic, Amna Nosseir, has researched on this and has called for a ban on the burqa :




It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa. It is also to be observed that it was Western-supported Muslim leaders who encouraged burqa. Example, in Afghanistan in the 80s the socialist government enabled women at least in the cities to go without the burqa but the Western governments birthed the Al Qaeda and later the Taliban who brought the burqa back.

Watch this vid about Nasser recalling his meeting with the chief of the Muslim Brotherhood who wanted Nasser to impose the burqa on Egyptian women. Note the reaction of the audience.

This article describes the West-boot-licking anti-women attitude of the Muslim Brotherhood gang :

I must narrate an incident that happened with me. A few years ago I walked into a restaurant and there was sitting a Muslim family of four : a young husband and wife, their child and perhaps the husband's mother. The mother - the older woman - was wearing a strange contraption on her face. It was like a niqab / veil but made of metal. Maybe they were from Iran or from some Arab area, I don't know. The wife wore the burqa but not the veil. She looked at me shyly for just a second more which angered the husband and he began behaving a bit aggressively.

Doesn't discount the French oppression.

When you cannot refute the message; attack the messenger.

Like BBC are gods of truth?

 

[Goritoes]

Freedom to take it all off, but not freedom to cover it all up? Bruhhhhhhhh

 

[PakistaniAtBahrain]

It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa.

such great "muslims". banning what Allah allowed.

 

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A vile nation!

 

[Bengal71]

It is to be observed that modern Muslim progressive leaders like Nasser, Gaddafi, Saddam and the Assads disallowed their female family members from wearing the burqa and their countries during their leadership generally discouraged the burqa

Such great examples of leaders you have mentioned. That said, I agree the Afghan style burqa should be banned, it looks like over the top and overzealous men imposed it over the centuries. As for hijab, it should be permitted and all forms of discrimination against it should be stopped. It should be the choice of Muslim women to wear it, the state simply can't enforce it, even if it can it won't achieve anything. The state can enforce and police wearing of hijab but it can't enforce religiosity and modesty.

 

[jamahir]

They not want anything from anyone. only emphasizing the importance of freedom of choice.

Will TRT produce a similar vid about other Muslim women's choice to not wear the burqa ? Their freedom of choice ?

Her body, her choice. Why are you so much threatened by a woman's clothes??

What point does Emine Erdogan want to make with her heavy clothing ? What is the idea behind her choice ?

2/3 piece suit is also non-Islamic/Jewish dress. Ban it for men too.

A 3-piece suit in South Asia, or even a 2-piece suit, is the summer is ridiculous. I agree, ban it then. In fact, why have a possibly British origin 3-piece in South Asia at all ?

So the 3-piece suit is as wrong as the burqa.

And BTW the people you mentioned were cruel dictators who deserved to die like rabid dogs as happened with them.

What is wrong with them ? Though Saddam did do two wrong things :

1. The invasion of Kuwait. The base issue that Kuwait was part of Iraq could have been taken care of politically. And the invasion did not deserve a mass counter invasion with cruelties against Iraq like the "Highway of Death" or use of depleted uranium weapons which will continue to cause disease in Iraq in the future.

2. The gas attack against Kurds in Halabja which was supposedly carried out by the Iraqi military.

Lastly, the so-called Muslim fighters who fought against Gaddafi and are fighting against Assad are terrorists trained, supplied and financed by NATO. And NATO's main intention is that there shouldn't be any progressive Muslim-majority country. That is what happened to Afghanistan in the 1980s.

Staring stranger women is not a good practice specially if she is someone's wife and a mother. You should thank God you didn't got a bloody nose that day. I think that metal veil was specifically reserved for misogynists like you.

I did not initiate the staring. It was just a passing moment. Just happened. And it was brief. Just a second or so.

How am I a misogynist ?

Doesn't discount the French oppression.

Sorry, what oppression exactly ?

When you cannot refute the message; attack the messenger.

Like BBC are gods of truth?

The BBC can also be wrong like their NATO-origin propaganda against Libya and Syria in 2011. BBC was one of the agencies to make the case for war then. And against Assad for war even now.

But even from this wrong BBC we can find truths like their website report about a honor killing in India and another report about the training bogie burning in Gujarat in 2002 with the train supposedly having been burnt by a Muslim mob but in reality that the fire was accidental, started from within that bogie and that this reality carried by the BBC report.

such great "muslims". banning what Allah allowed.

*sigh*

You will never learn.

Such great examples of leaders you have mentioned.

What is wrong with them other than Saddam like I mentioned above ?

That said, I agree the Afghan style burqa should be banned, it looks like over the top and overzealous men imposed it over the centuries.

Agreed.

As for hijab, it should be permitted and all forms of discrimination against it should be stopped. It should be the choice of Muslim women to wear it, the state simply can't enforce it, even if it can it won't achieve anything. The state can enforce and police wearing of hijab but it can't enforce religiosity and modesty.

Why can't the hijab ( the headscarf as is generally applied ) be optional, with no Tableeghi Jamaatis or the State able to create a stifling, oppressive atmosphere where the women are forced to wear it ?

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Will TRT produce a similar vid about other Muslim women's choice to not wear the burqa ? Their freedom of choice ?

They never said anything against non-hijabi women. In fact they employ non-hijabi Western cloth wearing reporters. So what point do you want to make?

What point does Emine Erdogan want to make with her heavy clothing ? What is the idea behind her choice ?

That she can wear anything she likes. Misogynists can go fuq themselves

A 3-piece suit in South Asia is the summer is ridiculous. I agree, ban it then. In fact, why have a possibly British origin 3-piece in South Asia at all ?

So the 3-piece suit is as wrong as the burqa.

similarly jeans, pants, shirts, t-shirts etc

What is wrong with them ? Though Saddam did do two wrong things :

1. The invasion of Kuwait. The base issue that Kuwait was part of Iraq could have been taken care of politically. And the invasion did not deserve a mass counter invasion with cruelties against Iraq like the "Highway of Death" or use of depleted uranium weapons which will continue to cause disease in Iraq in the future.

2. The gas attack against Kurds in Halabja which was supposedly carried out by the Iraqi military.

Lastly, the so-called Muslim fighters who fought against Gaddafi and are fighting against Assad are terrorists trained, supplied and financed by NATO. And NATO's main intention is that there shouldn't be any progressive Muslim-majority country. That is what happened to Afghanistan in the 1980s.

They were all cruel dictators who killed countless innocent people mercilessly. I hope they are burning in the deepest spot in hell.

How am I a misogynist ?

The way you hate and are feeling threatened by some women's choice of clothing makes you a perfect misogynist.

 

[jamahir]

They never said anything against non-hijabi women. In fact they employ non-hijabi Western cloth wearing reporters. So what point do you want to make?

Let me think about the answer.

They were all cruel dictators who killed countless innocent people mercilessly.

What is your opinion on Zia ul Haq and Obama ?