Freedom Fighter Terrorist Bad Guy What Now :---

[IceCold]

Hi,

Imran Khan has shown PURE COWARDICE over the Kashmir issue---. There was reason to make statements about 'no war' or not supporting the freedom fighters---.

Off course we will support the freedom fighters---.

I respect your onion sir but lets be realistic when giving titles to a head of state that has shown his worth on more than one occassion. Lets not forget the ground realities here. Khan is not the PM of a oil rich gulf state or a super power but a country that is left with a tremendous amount of debt, bad governance, and Afghan crisis. Lets not forgot that on one hand IK has to deal with the treacherous opposition who is grilling for his government and went as far as to say instead of Kashmir government should take IK to UNSC. On the other hand we have a failing economy, rising debt and on top of that the FATF.
As for his statement about not using militants, i think that is a smart move why because if you look at his speeches since the incident he has successfully build a narrative that Pulawama was an inside job and India will do it again to blame Pakistan and take the attention off from Kashmir. He has taken that card away from India. He wants the attention to remain on Kashmir and what India is doing there. Wars are won on the battlefield and than lost on diplomatic front as was the case during Kargil, IK is doing the right thing and for the first time in a long long time that someone is actually trying to fight Pakistan's case the way it is suppose too or you can say that the way it was never fought in the past PML and PPP tenure. So let us give credit where it is due and also keep in mind our limitations before giving out sweeping statements.

 

[Armchair]

Ultimately all things Muslim and related to Islam will be labelled negatively. Even on Pdf this is already true. One senior member here, in an email conversation told me not to use the word "Ummah" on pdf. He too had a Muslim point of view, but warned that when you use such words on pdf, the secular godless Liberal types along with Indians mark you out and find ways to attack you and negate whatever you are saying.
Having been in these forums since 2003, I know that this has been true specially in places like Pakdef.

If you read the Quran, near the beginning, after Surah Fatiha you find that the first enemy the Quran in Bakarah mentions are the hypocrites among us.

They are truly the real enemy within. They are also the ones that are far more likely to be corrupt and betray the country for a foreign safe heaven.

So, before we howl about the West and India, we have to deal with these traitors in our midst, and they often hold powerful positions within. They are Macauleys children. Read Macauley's minute on Indian education (it is increasingly hard to find on Google, somehow replaced by aplogisms about the quote without actually giving the quote, wonder why)

The quote states that by building English schools and teaching English behavior, they will create a class of people who will rule us and be loyal to the British.

And that is exactly the problem we face today.. To the extent of being warned by a friendly person not to even use the word "Ummah".

If we are going to defeat India in the coming war, we need to clean house and prepare now. Now.

Macauley (1800–1859) was a British employee of the East India Company. He advised the company in his Minute on Indian Education (1835):

Official funds should only be spent on English and Western Education in India to produce a class of persons who would be racially Indian, “But English in taste, in opinions, in morals, and in intellect.” Such people would also be loyal to the British out of recognition of their moral worth.

 

[Humble Analyst]

I respect your onion sir but lets be realistic when giving titles to a head of state that has shown his worth on more than one occassion. Lets not forget the ground realities here. Khan is not the PM of a oil rich gulf state or a super power but a country that is left with a tremendous amount of debt, bad governance, and Afghan crisis. Lets not forgot that on one hand IK has to deal with the treacherous opposition who is grilling for his government and went as far as to say instead of Kashmir government should take IK to UNSC. On the other hand we have a failing economy, rising debt and on top of that the FATF.
As for his statement about not using militants, i think that is a smart move why because if you look at his speeches since the incident he has successfully build a narrative that Pulawama was an inside job and India will do it again to blame Pakistan and take the attention off from Kashmir. He has taken that card away from India. He wants the attention to remain on Kashmir and what India is doing there. Wars are won on the battlefield and than lost on diplomatic front as was the case during Kargil, IK is doing the right thing and for the first time in a long long time that someone is actually trying to fight Pakistan's case the way it is suppose too or you can say that the way it was never fought in the past PML and PPP tenure. So let us give credit where it is due and also keep in mind our limitations before giving out sweeping statements.

These are valid points and worth considering however the good thing is IK and military are on the same page so both have the country’s reputation and theirs at stake as well .

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

A lot of them are recruited foreign intel or secret societies such as masons or los illuminados.

I love your posts, really sir...

I used to play in my childhood.....Delta Force Black Hawk Down game on PS2. Where US delta force used to say after shooting enemy....

One BAD GUY Down.

I hope Pakistani generals realize that being only Muslim nation with nukes, high chances are we would be stripped off of our capability right in between the war or way before that.

We would not be allowed to use nukes even if we want to.

@Oscar @ARMalik @Armchair @Humble Analyst @Reddington

I feel Pakistan has given up on Kashmir. And I personally suspect some secret societies involvement in the whole debacle.
I might sound like a yahoodi sazish buffoon but it could very well be true.

But my gut feeling, like so many others on here regarding Kashmir is that something is not right. Something smells fishy.

 

[Psychic]

Hi,

Imran Khan has shown PURE COWARDICE over the Kashmir issue---. There was reason to make statements about 'no war' or not supporting the freedom fighters---.

Off course we will support the freedom fighters---.

Image maker syndrome.

Imran and the ones before him were too concerned about our image as a "responsible state".

They choked each and every avenue from where the Kashmiri freedom fighters could get support and supplies meanwhile Hirbyar and Brahamdagh enjoyed the hospitality of Geneva, London and Washington.

They, starting from Mush, thought that they could improve their relations with India and their image globally by appeasing India and thus squandered the leverage we had in Kashmir.

What we got in return were troubles in Baluchistan, Karachi and FATA apart from do more and the recent annexation of Kashmir.

Modi has vindicated the narrative of the "militants".
The "militants" were predicting that it would happen if Pakistan pursued the policy of appeasement. And then it happened. The "militants" warned against lifting pressure off India but we thought of them to be jahil mullahs and of ourselves to be enlightened liberals who would make peace with India and solve the Kashmir issue by appeasing her. Who proved to be right and who wrong is now as clear as broad daylight.

 

[mqur1963]

only solution for Pakistan is Islamic gov and law that is why Pakistan was created it will be always fail state

 

[OldenWisdom...قول بزرگ]

It's been almost 12 - 14 years now when almost every Pakistani one met was a Musharraf fanboy. Today things stand clearer though not for everyone. Saying that a fool has his heart in the right place that doesn't excuse the foolishness. Zia who many on this forum blame for every ill today in Pakistan was a better arbiter than almost anyone because He knew what he wanted and what to look for... him spending his formative years in middle east and knowing the politics of the day especially organizations such as PLO. Musharraf on the other hand lacked the acumen and more importantly his position on the bargaining table. He didn't know the stakes and that is why Pakistan stands where it does... In some ways another weakness seems to have emerged and that is ill defined or nonexistent red lines in Pakistan posture or strategic significance. With those come defined or accumulating response. Today initiative stands with India precisely because of these ill defined yet highly triggered events which can snowball very quickly into a catastrophe. If Kashmiri lives matter than those are red lines, if valley is not to be settled by or demographically changed than these are quantifiable and addressable issues.
Right now Indian cohesion as a state(an artificial one by all means) is at stakes. Never in Indian history people more self aware than they are today. Usurping Kashmir plays right in the psyche of all those who aspire freedom from India. In the meantime Pakistan's case has never been stronger though inspite of any meaningful effort. Yet what I see is a defeatist mindset and a pacified people. Nothing will change until attitude does...