Free Palestine

[Malghani]

While Muslims all over the World are celebrating Eid, Genocide continues in GAZA. Our brothers and sisters of Gaza are being slaughtered continuously. Who will stop this ? Almost all countries are against Israel, only one country, that is USA is supporting ISRAEL. Where are Human Rights now when it comes to muslims ?

Israel is not even recognized by Pakistan, as we all know that our Passport is valid for all the countries of the World except Israel, because we never accepted Israel as a country. The thing that i fail to understand is that why Muslims are not taking a stand against Israel ? What's the reason ? Israel is surrounded by Muslims of Egypt, Lebenon, Jordan, Syria, Turkey and Saudi Arabia.

And the thing which World needs to know is the issue with this: Hamas is an elected government for defense and other purposes by Palestinians. People keep confusing it for a terrorist group; which it really is not. They are acting in defense of the ongoing assault. Another issue is Hamas was created by Israel and Palestine. So why they keep getting marked as terrorists is beyond me. They were created in 2006. No matter how they paint this; Israel is in the wrong.

Israel invades Gaza because it can. Gazans, in the face of an invasion, have no ability to strike back, while Israel strikes forward. Israel has total military superiority, an air force which can knock and then bomb, a navy which can shell Gazans from miles off shore, an army which can roll tanks into Gaza nonstop. Gazans have no army, navy, or air force with which to defend. Israel, as any nation, has a right to defend itself, but it confuses offense with defense. It is on the offensive in Gaza.

Israel, with its overwhelming military strength, is attacking and invading Gaza in violation of international and U.S. law. Its construction of settlements violates the Oslo agreement. Its Central Bank dries up the Gaza economy and blocks payments to Gazan civil servants. Its total control brings the Palestinians to utter subjection and total despair.

Israel can kill, injure, and humiliate Palestinians at will, with impunity, which is exactly what gave rise to Hamas and strengthens Hamas' hold in Gaza, even as the IDF advances. Israel will go door to door in Gaza in the hunt for Hamas, which comprises the government of the Palestinians and is therefore a necessary party to any peace talks. It is axiomatic that if you kill your partner for peace, you will have no partner for peace.

There will be no peace, for now, as Gaza is turned into an abattoir, to collectively punish Gazans for supporting Hamas. Israel, in its attempt to divide Hamas from the Gazans, will actually multiply Hamas' strength in Gaza and elsewhere. Israel may indeed find and kill Hamas officials. But it is not the current individuals who make up Hamas who constitute Israel's deep dilemma, which threatens its long term security. It is Israel's policies which gave rise to Hamas and which, if left unaltered, will spawn increased resistance no matter how many members of Hamas Israel is successful in apprehending or killing.

What is the end game? To cast Gazans to the sea, where they will be met by the Israeli Navy? To push Gazans into Egypt? To eject all Palestinians to... where? This is a question relevant not only to Israelis and Palestinians, but to the entire world.

There will be consequences for this invasion. The cycle of violence will widen. It will draw in friends of the Palestinians and it will affect Israel's allies. In the U.S, as their great friend presses the attack in Gaza, there will be increasing questions among the American people as to whether the $3 billion they give Israel annually is being used to defend their ally, or whether it is buying the U.S. billions of dollars worth of problems because of the manner in which their friend "defends" itself. Since the U.S. is helping to pay Israel's bills, they cannot avoid the consequences of paying the price for Israel's actions against the Palestinians.

Hence the United States is the only country that has no respect for any nation's laws when it regards their own power. Being a military power and the world police; the United States feels as if it does not have to respect anyone's wishes. Thus, forcing its own will on other countries.

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[Leader]

israelis are zionist savages...

 

[Jungibaaz]

I disagree, Hamas can be classed as a terrorist organization, regardless of it's motivations. If someone was firing rockets at you, blind firing and often killing civilians, you wouldn't hesitate with use of that word. But I understand the fact that Hamas, like it or not are elected representatives and that conflicts like this, HUGELY increase support for Hamas in areas affected by Israeli aggression.

A lot of Israelis are quick to blame Hamas for the lack of peace and the reason to be at war, the need to occupy and be on the offensive. I'm slowly being convinced that they do not care if the Palestinian is hijacked by extremists, as a matter of a fact, if it is, they might prefer it, it would give their arguments and needs more validity on the international level. This is why I appeal to Muslims. do not show support for Hamas and it's methods if you care about the Palestinian cause.

As for every time an Israeli fella has blamed Hamas, just ask him to talk through how Hamas came to be and who was the leading force behind the Palestinian struggle before Hamas, if they dare they might mention the PLO, if they dare even more, they might tell you a very one sided and distorted view of how the PLO came to be, why it came to be and what it did.

Israel's path is unsustainable, which worries me a lot, when you have people by the millions who despise your existence morose prevalent than in any conflict on earth, usually the best idea is not to behave like the Israelis do. Also, should the day come that Israel is damaged because of conflict, it only has two people to blame, itself and it's worst friend the USA.

 

[MOHSENAM]

Child murder Zions ...

 

[Malghani]

I disagree, Hamas can be classed as a terrorist organization, regardless of it's motivations. If someone was firing rockets at you, blind firing and often killing civilians, you wouldn't hesitate with use of that word. But I understand the fact that Hamas, like it or not are elected representatives and that conflicts like this, HUGELY increase support for Hamas in areas affected by Israeli aggression.

A lot of Israelis are quick to blame Hamas for the lack of peace and the reason to be at war, the need to occupy and be on the offensive. I'm slowly being convinced that they do not care if the Palestinian is hijacked by extremists, as a matter of a fact, if it is, they might prefer it, it would give their arguments and needs more validity on the international level. This is why I appeal to Muslims. do not show support for Hamas and it's methods if you care about the Palestinian cause.

As for every time an Israeli fella has blamed Hamas, just ask him to talk through how Hamas came to be and who was the leading force behind the Palestinian struggle before Hamas, if they dare they might mention the PLO, if they dare even more, they might tell you a very one sided and distorted view of how the PLO came to be, why it came to be and what it did.

Israel's path is unsustainable, which worries me a lot, when you have people by the millions who despise your existence morose prevalent than in any conflict on earth, usually the best idea is not to behave like the Israelis do. Also, should the day come that Israel is damaged because of conflict, it only has two people to blame, itself and it's worst friend the USA.

Positive Rating except the part that HAMAS is a terrorist Organization. As i mentioned before HAMAS is a Government which was created in 2006 by Palestine and ISRAEL itself. They are just acting in defense for the ongoing assault. Hamas is the only hope for Palestinians as they have no Army, Airforce or Navy. Hamas is fighting for their cause as it is not possible to achieve it without them. So i would rather call them the protectors than labeling them as terrorists.

 

[Jungibaaz]

Positive Rating except the part that HAMAS is a terrorist Organization. As i mentioned before HAMAS is a Government which was created in 2006 by Palestine and ISRAEL itself. They are just acting in defense for the ongoing assault. Hamas is the only hope for Palestinians as they have no Army, Airforce or Navy. Hamas is fighting for their cause as it is not possible to achieve it without them. So i would rather call them the protectors than labeling them as terrorists.

Their tactics and use of rockets against civilians is wrong. The biggest/only strength the Palestinian struggle can claim to hold is the higher moral ground and Hamas (elements of it) have been ruining that one and only strength. Perhaps I shouldn't call them terrorists, but their tactics are wrong, that holds true whether you call them a just elected government or a terrorist organization.

 

[VCheng]

Israel is not even recognized by Pakistan, as we all know that our Passport is valid for all the countries of the World except Israel, because we never accepted Israel as a country.

I think this erroneous policy should be reversed. Pakistan should recognize Israel, and establish good diplomatic relations. This step serves Pakistan's national interest the best. Let the Arabs serve their own interests. Pakistan should stop this Arab appeasement at the cost of its own interests.

 

[Malghani]

I think this erroneous policy should be reversed. Pakistan should recognize Israel, and establish good diplomatic relations. This step serves Pakistan's national interest the best. Let the Arabs serve their own interests. Pakistan should stop this Arab appeasement at the cost of its own interests.

Pakistan has never accepted Israel as a country since day one of it's independance and will never accept it as a country. Because Pakistan believes that this land belongs to Palestinians. I respect your personal opinion but when it comes to my religion and the well known fact that this land belongs to palestinians, no matter what ever the consequences will be i think Pakistan is right for this decision. And inshalah it will never accept Israel as a country.

Their tactics and use of rockets against civilians is wrong. The biggest/only strength the Palestinian struggle can claim to hold is the higher moral ground and Hamas (elements of it) have been ruining that one and only strength. Perhaps I shouldn't call them terrorists, but their tactics are wrong, that holds true whether you call them a just elected government or a terrorist organization.

Yes you can say that attacking civilians is really wrong and against the Islamic law, HAMAS indeed should not do that.

 

[VCheng]

Pakistan has never accepted Israel as a country since day one of it's independance and will never accept it as a country. Because Pakistan believes that this land belongs to Palestinians. I respect your personal opinion but when it comes to my religion and the well known fact that this land belongs to palestinians, no matter what ever the consequences will be i think Pakistan is right for this decision. And inshalah it will never accept Israel as a country.

So why did Turkey, as a Muslim country, not adopt the same approach as Pakistan? Is it because they do not grovel before the Arab Sheikhs and are therefore free to pursue their own national interests? Shouldn't Pakistan do the same?

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

So why did Turkey, as a Muslim country, not adopt the same approach as Pakistan? Is it because they do not grovel before the Arab Sheikhs and are therefore free to pursue their own national interests? Shouldn't Pakistan do the same?

For Pakistanis.. being more Arab than Arabs themselves is of utmost importance ...they need to prove that they are not anything like people from the east... Its a hunt for being someone or being something...about a legacy to claim..about a continuity in their historical narrative.... Remember "Turkey is a 20th generation Muslim country..whereas Pakistan is just 3 generations into its Islamic identity...hence more noise and gestures about being a "Muslim" country comes out of Pakistan.

 

[Malghani]

So why did Turkey, as a Muslim country, not adopt the same approach as Pakistan? Is it because they do not grovel before the Arab Sheikhs and are therefore free to pursue their own national interests? Shouldn't Pakistan do the same?

For Pakistanis.. being more Arab than Arabs themselves is of utmost importance ...they need to prove that they are not anything like people from the east... Its a hunt for being someone or being something...about a legacy to claim..about a continuity in their historical narrative.... Remember "Turkey is a 20th generation Muslim country..whereas Pakistan is just 3 generations into its Islamic identity...hence more noise and gestures about being a "Muslim" country comes out of Pakistan.

Oh come on don't mention Turkey, you know about Turkey. Don't you ? In my opinion Pakistan should not do that if at all it is Muslim country. And Pakistan as a 2nd largest Muslim Country and as a World's 7th Nuclear Power is considered to be the representative country for the muslim ummah of the world. Do you think that Pakistan should shake hands with illegitimate child of USA and support the Genocide of Palestinians ?

 

[VCheng]

And Pakistan as a 2nd largest Muslim Country and as a World's 7th Nuclear Power is considered to be the representative country for the muslim ummah of the world.

Only the delusional consider this to be true. There is no such thing as the Muslim Ummah. Please quit dreaming of the 14th century. It ain't coming back unless Hollywood lets us borrow their time machine.

For Pakistanis.. being more Arab than Arabs themselves is of utmost importance ...they need to prove that they are not anything like people from the east... Its a hunt for being someone or being something...about a legacy to claim..about a continuity in their historical narrative.... Remember "Turkey is a 20th generation Muslim country..whereas Pakistan is just 3 generations into its Islamic identity...hence more noise and gestures about being a "Muslim" country comes out of Pakistan.

This path will not end well for Pakistan. It must divorce itself from licking Arab shoes.

 

[Malghani]

Only the delusional consider this to be true. There is no such thing as the Muslim Ummah. Please quit dreaming of the 14th century. It ain't coming back unless Hollywood lets us borrow their time machine.

You just need to have a firm belief and according to my believes Muslim Ummah will be united again. And the world will see that, time is not too far.

 

[VCheng]

You just need to have a firm belief and according to my believes Muslim Ummah will be united again. And the world will see that, time is not too far.

I can respect your beleif without adopting it.

 

[AnnoyingOrange]

Oh come on don't mention Turkey, you know about Turkey. Don't you ? In my opinion Pakistan should not do that if at all it is Muslim country. And Pakistan as a 2nd largest Muslim Country and as a World's 7th Nuclear Power is considered to be the representative country for the muslim ummah of the world. Do you think that Pakistan should shake hands with illegitimate child of USA and support the Genocide of Palestinians ?

So that's' your argument...you are claiming to be the Godfather of Muslims across the globe just because you have some Nuclear stockpile... Most of the Arab countries don't even consider you to be among true Muslims... they consider you South Asian Muslims who are not at par with their blood line.... yet you guys claim their legacy...
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