France's Beef With Islam

[53fd]

Thanks for making it "politically correct" , i feel better now.

It's not politically correct, it's the truth. Extremism from certain Muslims is responsible for the bad image of Islam across the world, & the bigotry & prejudice against regular Muslims.

 

[53fd]

You are not uncomfortable with a women dressed like that you are paranoid because you absolutely have no clue about basic & fundamental rights of an individual. Prejudice against muslims is historical and is growing not because 1% of Muslim women in France like to wear Burqa , but because they are genuinely ill informed about Islam and do not want to recognize their rights.

When you say that Muslims are the root cause of the Islamophobia then i must say it defies common sense and logic. Its like saying that Racism against blacks is out there because they are black !

I will not stop anyone dressing like that, as long as they are not hurting me or anyone else. Do I feel they disturb the 'balance' of secular, peaceful societies? Yes. The biggest problem with many Muslims is that they fail to acclimatize in local conditions. They act as a divisive force. They want to be part to be part of the problem than the solution. They are not willing to compromise. If one is not permitted to wear the Niqab or Burqa in a certain society, they should feel free to go to Saudi Arabia or Somalia. If Saudi Arabia & many Muslim countries do not permit non-Muslims to build their places of worship, why should a Western country allow Muslims to build a mosque, or wear a Niqab/Burqa? We need to stop acting like hypocrites & take a long, hard look at ourselves. Why are Muslim majority societies around the world backward, intolerant, chauvinistic etc?

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

They are just trying to protect their native culture guys .

Just like Muslims won't like women roaming around wearing bikinis in their countries and dancing around in strip clubs ,they seem to have a problem with women wearing Burkas and street prayers that block streets . I don't think there is anything wrong with this. Every country must have the the right to protect its native culture

 

[Kompromat]

It's not politically correct, it's the truth. Extremism from certain Muslims is responsible for the bad image of Islam across the world, & the bigotry & prejudice against regular Muslims.

Stressing that a baseless rhetoric is a truth doesn't actually make it truth. Extremism of Muslims is not extremism its your lack of knowledge and paranoia , self pity. Its anger which has been created by the atrocities against Muslims in Kashmir , Palestine , Chachnia , Bosnia , Kosovo , India in last fifty years. Its anger over foreign forces patrolling our seas , installing dictators , controlling our natural resources. Its anger that life of a Muslims has become more cheaper over the years.

People can get away with killing Muslims , taking our resources , hijacking our governments and militaries, its not extremism its our collective suffering and anger over the entire situation.

 

[Zabaniyah]

It's not politically correct, it's the truth. Extremism from certain Muslims is responsible for the bad image of Islam across the world, & the bigotry & prejudice against regular Muslims.

Great, so whatever Anders Behring Breivik did is the Muslim's fault?

There are certain quarters in Europe who are heavily prejudiced against religion. Don't you see the hypocrisy? They oppose Halal meat while at the same time earn tens of billions of dollars in the Halal market.

Are Muslim society's bigots consequential in the long term? Not really. It takes three generations to change a society's culture. Plenty of external influences out there to affect them. Especially in the West. May shorten it to one generation

And violent extremists will be dealt with a heavy hand, regardless of religion or no religion.

 

[Birbal]

We've always known that the French are racist snobs.

 

[53fd]

Stressing that a baseless rhetoric is a truth doesn't actually make it truth. Extremism of Muslims is not extremism its your lack of knowledge and paranoia , self pity. Its anger which has been created by the atrocities against Muslims in Kashmir , Palestine , Chachnia , Bosnia , Kosovo , India in last fifty years. Its anger over foreign forces patrolling our seas , installing dictators , controlling our natural resources. Its anger that life of a Muslims has become more cheaper over the years.

People can get away with killing Muslims , taking our resources , hijacking our governments and militaries, its not extremism its our collective suffering and anger over the entire situation.

While the West has intervened to advance its strategic geopolitical interests worldwide (by killing innocent people), Muslim (extremists) mercenaries have aided them in that from time to time, killing their fellow Muslims, non-Muslims & everyone in sight. Whether you like it or not, Al-Qaeda & the fighters you think are defending Islam are nothing but mercenaries. They/their loyalties are 'bought'. The Arab Spring was perfectly aligned with the strategic geopolitical interests of the West.

 

[Developereo]

I would feel uncomfortable as a Muslim if a fellow Muslim dressed like this in the West (this is Australia by the way):

I am not particularly fond of the burqa, either, but it's a question of individual rights. We don't curtail people's liberties just because some people don't like the look of something. How about the appearance of Hassidic Jews, the Amish, Sikhs, Hindus with red marks on the forehead, punks hairstyle? At one point, people were offended by interracial couples.

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Stressing that a baseless rhetoric is a truth doesn't actually make it truth. Extremism of Muslims is not extremism its your lack of knowledge and paranoia , self pity. Its anger which has been created by the atrocities against Muslims in Kashmir , Palestine , Chachnia , Bosnia , Kosovo , India in last fifty years. Its anger over foreign forces patrolling our seas , installing dictators , controlling our natural resources. s.Its anger that life of a Muslims has become more cheaper over the year

People can get away with killing Muslims , taking our resources , hijacking our governments and militaries, its not extremism its our collective suffering and anger over the entire situation.

Can only at the bold part .

Life of muslims has been made cheap by muslims themselves who kill others and each other for the pettiest of reasons .This is the truth .

Most atrocities on muslims throughout history and even in the recent history has come from their fellow muslims only . Look at your own country for the best example .

Blaming the rest of the world for their own problems is also a reason why Muslims cant find a solution to their problems.

 

[Zarvan]

I have a problem with Muslim extremism as well. They bring a bad name to Islam.

Sir Halal meat is order of ALLAH not some Mullah and what if so called Extremists are preaching right thing and you are wrong than ?

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While the West has intervened to advance its strategic geopolitical interests worldwide (by killing innocent people), Muslim (extremists) mercenaries have aided them in that from time to time, killing their fellow Muslims, non-Muslims & everyone in sight. Whether you like it or not, Al-Qaeda & the fighters you think are defending Islam are nothing but mercenaries. They/their loyalties are 'bought'. The Arab Spring was perfectly aligned with the strategic geopolitical interests of the West.

Arab spring came because all arab leaders suppressed Islam and continued oppression on their people on the orders of west but when it started CIA tried to cash it in but they failed and now most countries have anti west governments and Islamic Rulers this will happen even in Pakistan if some secular traitors will try promote Secularism and speak against Islam

 

[Developereo]

The whole discussion about Muslim extremism is besides the point. I agree there are Muslim extremists, but the whole point of the original article is that European bigots are using the specter of extremism to target ALL Muslims.

To reiterate my point, if you want to target extremists, do so by all means. Don't target ordinary, law abiding Muslims just because they eat halal meat. The fact that the Europeans -- all the way to the president of France -- are doing so shows their real agenda is against ALL Muslims, not extremism per se.

 

[Zarvan]

I will not stop anyone dressing like that, as long as they are not hurting me or anyone else. Do I feel they disturb the 'balance' of secular, peaceful societies? Yes. The biggest problem with many Muslims is that they fail to acclimatize in local conditions. They act as a divisive force. They want to be part to be part of the problem than the solution. They are not willing to compromise. If one is not permitted to wear the Niqab or Burqa in a certain society, they should feel free to go to Saudi Arabia or Somalia. If Saudi Arabia & many Muslim countries do not permit non-Muslims to build their places of worship, why should a Western country allow Muslims to build a mosque, or wear a Niqab/Burqa? We need to stop acting like hypocrites & take a long, hard look at ourselves. Why are Muslim majority societies around the world backward, intolerant, chauvinistic etc?

Sir don't give us western meaning of being developed and intolerant in Islam everything has a limit not everything can be tolerated

 

[53fd]

I am not particularly fond of the burqa, either, but it's a question of individual rights. We don't curtail people's liberties just because some people don't like the look of something. How about the appearance of Hassidic Jews, the Amish, Sikhs, Hindus with red marks on the forehead, punks hairstyle? At one point, people were offended by interracial couples.

I would not stop anyone dressing the way they want to, in a Niqab or whatever. I do not condone the bigotry against Muslims in the West. However, I know how this will all end (unfortunately). Muslims will act divisive (playing the victim), being part of the problem than the solution. 'Religiosity' from many Muslims in the West stems from rebellion against perceived grievances, & has a very political nature. Many Muslims in the West that radically change themselves, resorting to extreme outlooks like the Burqa/Niqab do this because of these very reasons.

I would want Muslims to come out, to condemn "France's beef with Islam". I would also like them to rise up against extremism from certain Muslims that bring a bad name to Islam. I would like Muslims to be part of the solution than the problem, acclimatizing in local conditions than acting as a divisive force, disturbing the balance of peaceful/secular societies.

 

[Kompromat]

I will not stop anyone dressing like that, as long as they are not hurting me or anyone else.

You can't even if you wish to because its their fundamental right , so no thanks for you for "sparing" them.

Do I feel they disturb the 'balance' of secular, peaceful societies? Yes.

Describe a secular society to me ? - Secular societies allow people to practice their faith and live by their culture and wear or not wear anything they like or dislike.

Does a secular society has a place in a women's wardrobe ?

The biggest problem with many Muslims is that they fail to acclimatize in local conditions.

I would dispute that , i have seen more "integrated" muslims than the ones you are pointing out. When you migrate to a country , you don't have to give away your culture , they accept you as you are , they accept your culture and language and customs and faiths.

Its actually stupid to wish that someone can become an American or whatever in just a few years , you will still be who you were born to be. No one chooses their parents and on that note all western societies are very diverse in their own right. They have different faiths in their own NATIVE culture , different customs. So when they open up an immigration program then they also should live up to migrant's cultural requirements .

They act as a divisive force.

How many societies have been polarized by the evil muslims , please name a few?

They want to be part to be part of the problem than the solution.

You mean , muslims in the west are actually problematic? - would going to strip clubs , Night clubs , brothels , casinos , drinking alcohol and sleeping with pink headed strippers make a muslim more American/western and less problematic ?

They are not willing to compromise.

Compromise as in getting their women to wear bikinis instead of shalwar kameez?

If one is not permitted to wear the Niqab or Burqa in a certain society, they should feel free to go to Saudi Arabia or Somalia.

Who precisely would "you" be to say so ? -

If Saudi Arabia & many Muslim countries do not permit non-Muslims to build their places of worship

Thats because there are no Christians living in Saudi Arabia , so its effectively unnecessary. What would you do with a church when there is no Christians to go to ?

Its not forbidden in Saudi Arabia to build Churches.

A Church in Saudi Arabia? - TIME

why should a Western country allow Muslims to build a mosque, or wear a Niqab/Burqa?

To cater for their muslim population , who would otherwise would have to pray in the streets.

We need to stop acting like hypocrites & take a long, hard look at ourselves

Hard look , yes but calling all Muslims (1.6 billion) Hypocrites is something i can only expect from your IQ level.

Why are Muslim majority societies around the world backward, intolerant, chauvinistic etc?[/B]

Backward: Because our resources are not in our control , our govts are installed by the west , our dictators are armed by them so that they can keep us backward. Moreover we have given up on science and technology.

Intolerant: Depends on what your definition of intolerance is. Every society is Intolerant to others to some extent.

Chauvinistic: Point me to one Nazism like chauvinistic regime in the entire muslim world.

 

[Kompromat]

While the West has intervened to advance its strategic geopolitical interests worldwide (by killing innocent people), Muslim (extremists) mercenaries have aided them in that from time to time, killing their fellow Muslims, non-Muslims & everyone in sight.

Blame muslims for that too...

Whether you like it or not, Al-Qaeda & the fighters you think are defending Islam are nothing but mercenaries .

When did i say that "I think" that AQ or other Armed groups are defending Islam , its just a creation of your own mind.

They/their loyalties are 'bought'. The Arab Spring was perfectly aligned with the strategic geopolitical interests of the West.

That means there is no way for evil muslims but being blamed for serving or not serving the western interests ?