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France and England are two countries that have no business being on Security council. Both a receding states and way past their prime... moving their dead weight on hapless poor countries. They need new leadership whi recognizes the bloated situation of these states and wraps it up fir a slow landing instead of a catastrophic collapse.

Being on the security council has only to do with being on the victor's side of WW2. It might hurt some people here,but France actually won WW2,it lost a battle but won the war. Despite the defeat of 1940,the fight still continued,either on French territory through resistance networks first and then through the Free French forces,the fight against Nazi Germany still continued in France and even in other continents. (Africa for exemple). the 2nd armored vision led by General Leclerc liberated Paris. What happened to German occupiers ?

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Well They lost everything but maintained th British pride. French got the country back but never the pride as it was before ww2

Indeed,France didn't have the chance to have its country separated by the channel,Britain is lucky its expeditionary force wasn't annihilated thanks to the sacrifice of French soldiers who covered the retreat of allied troops from Dunkirk nor those 30 to 40K soldiers who were outnumbered and outgunned in Lille who fought desperatly an already lost fight against entire German divisions,who contained German reinforcements for days and allowed more soldiers to be saved from Dunkirk. Fighting to the last Frenchman much ?
 
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If Pakistan truly wants to punish these treacherous French, then my advise is to shoot down at least one Indian Rafale, and then release the video of the Rafale going down. This alone will have severe implications for the French defence industry.
 
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Being on the security council has only to do with being on the victor's side of WW2. It might hurt some people here,but France actually won WW2,it lost a battle but won the war. Despite the defeat of 1940,the fight still continued,either on French territory through resistance networks first and then through the Free French forces,the fight against Nazi Germany still continued in France and even in other continents. (Africa for exemple). the 2nd armored vision led by General Leclerc liberated Paris. What happened to German occupiers ?

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Indeed,France didn't have the chance to have its country separated by the channel,Britain is lucky its expeditionary force wasn't annihilated thanks to the sacrifice of French soldiers who covered the retreat of allied troops from Dunkirk nor those 30 to 40K soldiers who were outnumbered and outgunned in Lille who fought desperatly an already lost fight against entire German divisions,who contained German reinforcements for days and allowed more soldiers to be saved from Dunkirk. Fighting to the last Frenchman much ?
It's a well known fact Now that Hitler stopped the panzer divisions before Dunkirk. So you are wrong that it was not French who saved British at Dunkirik
French were trying to leave France along with British to Britain.
Anyways so did Oz and New zealander's and so did Canada fought. Why France why not them. CANADA fought better than french
 
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The success story of Europe is Germany. They are the tech giants may it be Oracle or Sap or any other type of business software modules. There could be so many jobs provided in business analyst and data compiling or any other business modules.
On other tech level as well as economic level they are the one country in Europe.
They need food and have tech and science to offer
We have agriculture and other things to offer them. Maybe offer them to open tech labs of various fields. These Germans hate French and are smartest bunch in Europ . We should build and strengthen relationship with them.
They also have tremendous to offer in a military field as well. With trump's next election if he wins you will see Germany becoming more independent every day. We should even if have to show support to Germany and back them to be the next one in line if the p5 is ever expanded.
yup and the old Aryan connections should be exploited as well.........even we r the reasons why Germany got united in 1990 as acknowledged by their BND chief at the time.

Even this EU is based on the principles of Ubaidullah Sindh's concept of Asiatic Federation, thats the to the Hard Work of our first ambassador to Germany i think his name was Zafar (maybe it was him https://epaper.dawn.com/DetailImage.php?StoryImage=26_03_2017_531_002 im not sure) or something who was a student of Ubaidullah Sindhi. He had also arranged that 53 million loan for Germany for its reconstruction in 50s as well. And then there a tremendous goodwill among the ordinary Pakistanis about Germany, because they were on the Ottoman side during WW1 and even in WW2 we had sympathies with them!

Now with Road and Belt Initiative and all, we can do trade with them in future using that land route too. We also have decent relations with Poland as well. U know how much we all love Eva Zu Beck too.

We need to revive the old Aryan connections now, Pakistan is looking for new relationships based on mutually beneficial goals and principles......If they want food, skilled developed labour even engineers as another guy Martin Cobbler, the former German ambassador to Pakistan was requesting, he is another guy who is liked tremendous in Pakistan, but instead of sending them out to Germany which maybe an unfamiliar territory for them as Muslims and may not be able to adjust fully and completely in that alien environment we can rather invited German companies to open their R&D facilities here as well, by signing agreements with them, and hire directly the local resource right from Pakistan by adding us in the supply chain of the countries for Business in Asia. Specially for those engineering firms of germany and all etc etc, by that was they dont have to go through the painstaking process of integrating them into their societies that they r concerned of about those migrants too. And we can surely replace those french companies from Pakistan for good. Pakistan afterall is the 5th largest market on this Planet today with a population of 220 million people, and there isnt much of a competition here as well. So its a perfect place for countries like these to make easy money as we dont have market protectionism policies neither like India has......etc etc

In return we can supply them with food or whatever else they like @Deino

If Pakistan truly wants to punish these treacherous French, then my advise is to shoot down at least one Indian Rafale, and then release the video of the Rafale going down. This alone will have severe implications for the French defence industry.
yup one of the things to be done! but our problem isnt Rafale mainly, it will most likely shot down by none other then Jf17's newer blocks and versions this time, But its Veto in UNSC on Kashmir remains the main problem!

If money is all they desire and would still wiggle their tale infront of whoever has that money then we should replace the French companies and imports from France as well, hit them where it hurts the most!

JuSt NeEd To TaLk To ThEm.

Yes, that's how investments work. Just go talk to them lol.

Need a loan? Np, just take one lol.
How are people poor? Just don't be poor lol.
How can you not get 100/100? Just get one lol.

You should advertise for Nike and their brand Just do it. You will do good there. Probably not in realistic situations though.
laay! hamari strategic location he aisi ha k hum apna kaam nikaal he lety hain, remember they need us more in long term then we do now that we have won in war on terror.

We can even bring in American companies too if we play our cards like with Alice Wells.:lol: That is, k hum Chinese system ko wholly and fully adopt kar lain gy agar tumne baat na mani to.:azn:

Mery bhai tune lagta ha International Relations or Strategic Studies nahi parhin.
 
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If money is all they desire and would still wiggle their tale infront of whoever has that money then we should replace the French companies and imports from France as well, hit them where it hurts the most!

According to the French treasury,the current trade balance between the two countries is in favor of Pakistan actually. (About €478 million)

According to the last figures available,commercial exchanges between France and Pakistan represented about €1,3 billion in 2018. (-9%)

France imported for €875 million worth of goods from Pakistan (+1,6%) while Pakistan imported for €398 million worth of French goods. (-26%) Now ranking the country as the 74th most important client of French products. (down from 67th in 2017 )

Total trade of France represented about €1,043 billion. (€1,3 billion for France-Pakistan)

So yes,I wonder who will get hurt the most here.
 
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Being on the security council has only to do with being on the victor's side of WW2. It might hurt some people here,but France actually won WW2,it lost a battle but won the war. Despite the defeat of 1940,the fight still continued,either on French territory through resistance networks first and then through the Free French forces,the fight against Nazi Germany still continued in France and even in other continents. (Africa for exemple). the 2nd armored vision led by General Leclerc liberated Paris. What happened to German occupiers ?


I think it would have been better, had U.S. taken over France and transitioned it into it's proper size. Liberating it's colonies bringing due relief to all colonized people and ending the menace that continues to this day. Come to think of it ... and perhaps even Vietnam war would've been avoided... France does not deserve a seat on security council for being relieved of German occupation by a comity of nations.
 
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According to the French treasury,the current trade balance between the two countries is in favor of Pakistan actually. (About €478 million)

According to the last figures available,commercial exchanges between France and Pakistan represented about €1,3 billion in 2018. (-9%)

France imported for €875 million worth of goods from Pakistan (+1,6%) while Pakistan imported for €398 million worth of French goods. (-26%) Now ranking the country as the 74th most important client of French products. (down from 67th in 2017 )

Total trade of France represented about €1,043 billion. (€1,3 billion for France-Pakistan)

So yes,I wonder who will get hurt the most here.
as i said, replace, them.......

U can be replaced buddy! If india is the 2nd largest market, Pakistan is 5th largest......yr companies DO invest and operate here as well.

You can go on do business with india from where u make money but not here.....Another thing that yr ignoring is that we Muslims arn materialistic too, so business and money/trade may not be our top priority.

As for being hurt, well it wont effect much as long as yr replace both investments/imports. As for exports, we can sell to others!
 
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You guys blame France for taking India's side,but what can Pakistan exactly offer to France ? India and France share common views and interests (especially recently shown in the Indian ocean) with a rising country that's going to be more important on the international stage,France has more to gain to be behind India than Pakistan.

Not to add the political,economic and military interests are just too important to actually criticize or condemn India whatever their policies in Kashmir are.

And that is fine...we know France will do what's best for France...

The issue is...will Pakistan do what's best for Pakistan? Whatever that may be is already being discussed in this thread.
 
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Being on the security council has only to do with being on the victor's side of WW2. It might hurt some people here,but France actually won WW2,it lost a battle but won the war. Despite the defeat of 1940,the fight still continued,either on French territory through resistance networks first and then through the Free French forces,the fight against Nazi Germany still continued in France and even in other continents. (Africa for exemple). the 2nd armored vision led by General Leclerc liberated Paris. What happened to German occupiers ?

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Indeed,France didn't have the chance to have its country separated by the channel,Britain is lucky its expeditionary force wasn't annihilated thanks to the sacrifice of French soldiers who covered the retreat of allied troops from Dunkirk nor those 30 to 40K soldiers who were outnumbered and outgunned in Lille who fought desperatly an already lost fight against entire German divisions,who contained German reinforcements for days and allowed more soldiers to be saved from Dunkirk. Fighting to the last Frenchman much ?
Err...

US-led forces liberated France from the Wehrmacht starting with Normandy in 1944. They allowed French forces to enter Paris first (symbolic) much like they allowed Kuwaiti forces to enter Kuwait City first in 1991.
 
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US-led forces liberated France from the Wehrmacht starting with Normandy in 1944. They allowed French forces to enter Paris first (symbolic) much like they allowed Kuwaiti forces to enter Kuwait City first in 1991.

My post didn't mean the country was liberated by the French only.

BTW,the liberation of Paris wasn't a primary objective for allied commanders who prefered to bypass it (fearing a stalingrad-style battle,Hitler giving the orders to defend the city to the last man) and to instead push the Germans to the rhine,but was for the French due to the symbolic nature of liberating Paris and because fearing a warsaw uprising-style happening in the capital because of the ongoing uprising by the local population. The 2nd armored division was the first to make its way to Paris,entered it first,fought first before being joined by other allied troops. (the 4th US infantry division.)

As for Kuwait city,if I remember,the US marines were the first to enter the city,before Kuwaiti troops joined in.
 
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The problems France caused to the entire world after world war 2
1. NUCLEAR proliferation
For past 2 decades everyone kept crying about Pakistan and NUCLEAR proliferation how about we check French record a country with N power and veto power acting irresponsible
A.They provided India with nuclear tech although Russians were also part of it but at later end
B. They provided Isreal with Nuclear technology well known fact now
C. They did also help Pakistan with that tech and we are not thanking them especially knowing that they did it for money . China did help but so did US via President Reagan.
D. You never know Iran and North Korea may have also got help
Yes other countries were involved in other cases but original poliferator is France.
2. Global political interference
It was France who hosted the leader of Iranian revolution that is today so dispised and called axis of evil and such.
 
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