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We should be proud of DCNS !
Congratulations ! @Taygibay @Picdelamirand-oil @jhungary @BON PLAN @Louiq XIV @mike2000 is back @Blue Marlin

And everyone was giving the Japanese to be the winer!
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France has won a A$50bn (€34bn; £27bn) contract to build 12 submarines for the Australian Navy, beating bids from Japan and Germany.

The deal, announced by Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull, is Australia's largest-ever defence contract.

The Shortfin Barracuda submarines will be built in Adelaide using Australian steel, creating 2,800 jobs, he said.

Japan, which had been a frontrunner in the contest, said the decision was "deeply regrettable".

Defence Minister Gen Nakatani said Japan would "ask Australia to explain why they didn't pick our design".

Mr Turnbull said the decision, the result of a 15-month bidding process, was "securing the future of Australia's navy over decades to come".

"Australian workers will be building Australian submarines with Australian steel."

The government says the existing Collins Class submarine fleet is ageing and in need of replacement.

A strong submarine capability is seen as vital for an island nation like Australia to conduct surveillance operations, counter growing military strength from countries like China and to support Australian allies.

What submarines will DCNS be building?
The Shortfin Barracuda is a 4,500-tonne conventionally powered submarine. It is closely related to the nuclear-powered Barracuda which weighs 4,700 tonnes.

DCNS has said the full details are confidential, but the vessel is know to be more than 90m long and to feature an advanced pump-jet propulsion system that is supposed to be quieter than propeller propulsion systems.

Mr Turnbull said the French bid "represented the capabilities best able to meet Australia's unique needs".

What were the other bids
The Japanese bid, with a consortium led by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd, proposed a version of its 4,000-tonne Soryu-class submarine, lengthened by between 6-8m.

Mitsubishi said it was "deeply regrettable that Japan's capabilities were not sufficiently conveyed".

The German bid, from company TKMS, offered a 4,000-tonne version of an existing 2,000-tonne Type 214 class submarine.

Relationship with Japan
The French bid received unanimous support from the various experts in the government's competitive evaluation process, Defence Minister Marise Payne said.

Japan was an early frontrunner to win the contract, thanks to former Australian Prime Minister Tony Abbott's close relationship with his Japanese counterpart, Shinzo Abe.

But its bid is said to have foundered because of Japan's inexperience in building military equipment for export.

The Japanese constitution was changed in 2014 to allow the export of military hardware. The lucrative submarine deal would have been its first such deal and a major victory for Mr Abe.

The Japanese government was also reportedly keen to further deepen its military ties to Australia as a counter to China's rise. Shared military technology would increase interoperability between the Japanese and Australian fleets.

The decision to reject the bid is seen as having ramifications for Australia-Japanese relations.

Mr Turnbull said he had spoken to Mr Abe and they were both "thoroughly committed to the special strategic partnership between Australia and Japan which gets stronger all the time".

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-36136628
 
It took them 15 months. @Abingdonboy do you think we can close P75I before 30 months ?

By the way congratulations. More to France for getting the ~40 billion USD order.
 
It took them 15 months. @Abingdonboy do you think we can close P75I before 30 months ?

By the way congratulations. More to France for getting the ~40 billion USD order.
There is no real rush for the P-75(I), more Scorpenes are going to be ordered in the next 15 months and the IN has started to focus on the domestic SSN class. The P-75(I) will be needed in 7 years maybe so there is no rush on that front, the IN is rightly prioritising their blue water assets.
 
Wow. I really thought Germany would have win it because they have been in the diesel electric submarine business for a long time and they have the experience in export. France one is a nuclear sub so France must offer a really good deal.
 
We were not accustomed to get a contract in "normal times"

I saw what you did too and well, touché ... but I'd like to recall the Egyptian deal last year.
By that standard, the Australians are sloths and the people you just kidded huh ... rocks
... strictly in terms of reactivity of course! :angel:

France one is a nuclear sub so France must offer a really good deal.

No Xunzi mate, the version for Oz is not nuclear! Australia not only forbids nukes as weapons
but along many south pacific nations even nuke powered ships and subs, in their case at the
local governments level which is why US & French carriers and subs incl. British don't visit
much even though very much friends. Of course they rely on US nukes but that's standard
hypocrisy in politics!

Their subs will be conventional, the program was thus decided on account of the low industrial
capacity of the nation in the nuclear field to begin with.

And great day both, Tay.
 
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No Xunzi mate, the version for Oz is not nuclear! Australia not only forbids nukes as weapons
but along many south pacific nations even nuke powered ships and subs, in their case at the
local governments level which is why US & French carriers and subs incl. British don't visit
much even though very much friends. Of course they rely on US nukes but that's standard
hypocrisy in politics!

Their subs will be conventional, the program was thus decided on account of the low industrial
capacity of the nation in the nuclear field to begin with.

And great day both, Tay.
I know. I meant to say converting nuclear to diesel.
 
I know. I meant to say converting nuclear to diesel.

Oh! Sorry then!
We do still make diesel engines, you know as in Scorpenes or adapt foreign
ones as in the Mistrals ( Finnish Wärtsilä ). Solutions are plentiful.
Coupled with MESMA, our AIP, the importance of the diesel adaptation in
our products is very relative; you get a great design with stealth and range.
Converting Barracudas for export was the next likely step.

Read you later, Tay.
 
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50 billion dollars!

Every one in Australia pays 2500 dollars. Not as bad as I thought but still too expensive. What about building up infrastructure in western Sydney or something.

Then again, if the labour government has 50 billion dollars they would just give it out to the masses like the bad old Rudd years.
 
I agree, it's silly money for SSKs. Australia would have been bettered served with 8 SSN.


It really isn't.The contract covers 50 years of cooperation since the first draft of the submarines will appear,building the shipyards for it,maintenance,spares,weapons ,training,ToT.
 

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