France-Vietnam waterway shipping route inaugurated

[cochine]

we are relatives indeed. no need to fight. civilized nations could and should settle disputes by dialog.

it may take long time, still way much better than war.

war sacrifice ordinary peoples lives, meaningless and only bring hatred.

when you can take the position of Mr. Xi, its OK. But in vietnam we say China talk and do is different.

But corruoption leaders in China, they don't think so. So why China had invaded in to Islands of Vietnam and had killed brutally Vietnamese there, recently. China leaders had belived that : with force and fake propaganda about the history, china can step by step, taken sea and islands of Vietnam.

 

[Viet]

Thinking about good side. If Vietnam join China camp, investment, national security, military equipment, South China Sea issue will all be solved.

More importantly, Vietnamese looks exactly the same as Chinese, we both use chopsticks, similar food, culture, ideology, political system. We celebrate the same Spring Festival and Mid-Autumn Festival.

We are damn the same. Bai Yue (百越) are part of China, ethnically and culturally. History is history, the younger generation will move on and enjoy better life which is more important.

Just think about how many wars between France and Germany, how about now? War between France and Germany is beyond imagination.

Maybe it will happen sooner than most people think. When China and Vietnam will treat each other like true brothers and family members.

China has zero interest to invade Japan neither. We will remember Japan invasion but move on.

Ok you seem a honest person.
I give you a hint: trust is everything. Trust costs nothing, but is sometimes more worth than own life. You rather prefer to lose everything than trust to a partner. an alliance can’t exist without trust.
If you create trust, everything comes with time.

 

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Isn't Japan a vassal state of USA and they have to do what USA tells them even if it screws them up, Vietnam wants to be like that ?

 

[vi-va]

Isn't Japan a vassal state of USA and they have to do what USA tells them even if it screws them up, Vietnam wants to be like that ?

Not, not every nation could be vassal state of USA. Those countries must prove their economic or geopolitical value to US and US will evaluate.

Japan has value, it's part of first island chain and actually the anchor of US west pacific strategy. Japan is 5 trillions dollar economy and highly industrialized. Japan also showed loyalty.

Vietnam doesn't have as much economic value as Japan(just 220 billion), nor geopolitical value. Vietnam is controlled by communist party and this ideology conflicts with US value. US won't trust Vietnam at all and Vietnam can not prove his loyalty neither.

What Vietnam can do is luring US with Cam Ranh Bay as naval base, confront China indirectly as well as wrecking China IndoChina strategy within ASEAN.

The stakes are too high, they won't risk their country again. Vietnam will behave very carefully this time, not like Lê Duẩn did in Cambodian–Vietnamese War.

 

[cochine]

Not, not every nation could be vassal state of USA. Those countries must prove their economic or geopolitical value to US and US will evaluate.

Japan has value, it's part of first island chain and actually the anchor of US west pacific strategy. Japan is 5 trillions dollar economy and highly industrialized. Japan also showed loyalty.

Vietnam doesn't have as much economic value as Japan(just 220 billion), nor geopolitical value. Vietnam is controlled by communist party and this ideology conflicts with US value. US won't trust Vietnam at all and Vietnam can not prove his loyalty neither.

What Vietnam can do is luring US with Cam Ranh Bay as naval base, confront China indirectly as well as wrecking China IndoChina strategy within ASEAN.

The stakes are too high, they won't risk their country again. Vietnam will behave very carefully this time, not like Lê Duẩn did in Cambodian–Vietnamese War.

Le Duan did rightfully to protect sovereignity of the country in critic time.

When China had shaken hands with USA in Peking 1972 and invaded with force in to Islands of Vietnam in 1974. The true face of China is disclosed.

Note that Polpot is lapdog of China. He had betrayed Vietnam, ...

 

[vi-va]

Le Duan did rightfully to protect sovereignity of the country in critic time.

When China had shaken hands with USA in Peking 1972 and invaded with force in to Islands of Vietnam in 1974. The true face of China is disclosed.

Note that Polpot is lapdog of China. He had betrayed Vietnam, ...

The only problem is Le Duan dragged Vietnam into 2 wars which could be avoided. Cambodia sacrificed a lot for Ho Chi Minh trail which helped North Vietnam win the war. Then Le Duan tried to conquer Cambodia but failed.

China has no interest to take Vietnam territory as long as Vietnam back out from Cambodia.

Vietnam took Mekong Delta from Cambodia and Le Duan tried to conquer Cambodia. It's doomed to fail.

 

[cochine]

The only problem is Le Duan dragged Vietnam into 2 wars which could be avoided. Cambodia sacrificed a lot for Ho Chi Minh trail which helped North Vietnam win the war. Then Le Duan tried to conquer Cambodia but failed.

China has no interest to take Vietnam territory as long as Vietnam back out from Cambodia.

Vietnam took Mekong Delta from Cambodia and Le Duan tried to conquer Cambodia. It's doomed to fail.

What you have said is the propaganda of CPC for brainwashed chinese people.

In facts, China had began to shaken hands with USA from 1968, ... after Tet Offensive in South Vietnam 1968, facing with demonstration in USA for peace, Johnson president of USA would liked to do the withdrawal from Vietnam, but Saigon Regim could be existed... so the secret discussion had made in Warsaw (Poland) betwen diplomats of China and USA. China had the intention that USA is gone, China will be dominated in region, same what China and America did in Korean pennisula situation 1953.

So why China had invited Nixon to Peking 1972 and invaded in to Island of Vietnam 1974.

Cambodian communists did nothing for Ho Chi Minh trail, the trail was made in Cambodia with permission of King Shihanook. After Cambodian coup of 1970 ousted him and he fled to China and North Korea. Vietnam had helped and made liberated zone for Cambodian friends. But Polpot became puppet of China and he had begann betrayed and attacked in to Vietnam territory from 1975.

 

[vi-va]

What you have said is the propaganda of CPC for brainwashed chinese people.

In facts, China had began to shaken hands with USA from 1968, ... after Tet Offensive in South Vietnam 1968, facing with demonstration in USA for peace, Johnson president of USA would liked to do the withdrawal from Vietnam, but Saigon Regim could be existed... so the secret discussion had made in Warsaw (Poland) betwen diplomats of China and USA. China had the intention that USA is gone, China will be dominated in region, same what China and America did in Korean pennisula situation 1953.

So why China had invited Nixon to Peking 1972 and invaded in to Island of Vietnam 1974.

Cambodian communists did nothing for Ho Chi Minh trail, the trail was made in Cambodia with permission of King Shihanook. After Cambodian coup of 1970 ousted him and he fled to China and North Korea. Vietnam had helped and made liberated zone for Cambodian friends. But Polpot became puppet of China and he had begann betrayed and attacked in to Vietnam territory from 1975.

what you said is not the key. the key is no Vietnam expansion allowed. you can like it or hate it, but great power behave like this, no exception.

you take the chance when Polpot made mistakes. it did give Vietnam good excuse to conquer Cambodia, in the same time, Le Duan
allied and signed security treaty with USSR to keep China threatened. you also gave Cam Ranh Bay to USSR as naval base to confront China.

Your expansion dream did NOT come true, Deng Xiaoping made it impossible.

You can hate the result, I don't blame you. but you can't ignore my logic.

 

[cochine]

what you said is not the key. the key is no Vietnam expansion allowed. you can like it or hate it, but great power behave like this, no exception.

you take the chance when Polpot made mistakes. it did give Vietnam good excuse to conquer Cambodia, in the same time, Le Duan
allied and signed security treaty with USSR to keep China threatened. you also gave Cam Ranh Bay to USSR as naval base to confront China.

Your expansion dream did NOT come true, Deng Xiaoping made it impossible.

You can hate the result, I don't blame you. but you can't ignore my logic.

when China had disclosed your true face, we have to do every thing rightfully to protect ourselves before big enemy in nearby. The Expansion is applied to China, not Viet. I said this is propaganda made in China to cover dirty policy of China in Indo-China peninsula.
China sided to american in cold war with the hope that American will support you to be master here in Asia and so on China had invaded in to land and sea of Vietnam ...

Yes. expansion is not allowed, so why America, China master in cold war, will turn back to the Asia. The trade war is just the beginning of the story "Expansion is not allowed" as you said.

 

[vi-va]

when China had disclosed your true face, we have to do every thing rightfully to protect ourselves before big enemy in nearby. The Expansion is applied to China, not Viet. I said this is propaganda made in China to cover dirty policy of China in Indo-China peninsula.
China sided to american in cold war with the hope that American will support you to be master here in Asia and so on China had invaded in to land and sea of Vietnam ...

Yes. expansion is not allowed, so why America, China master in cold war, will turn back to the Asia. The trade war is just the beginning of the story "Expansion is not allowed" as you said.

No matter what you say, when Le Duan died in 1986, his successor Nguyễn Văn Linh changed his IndoChina policy 180°, Vietnam sought to back out from Cambodia. Nguyễn Văn Linh, Đỗ Mười and Phạm Văn Đồng come to Sichuan China on 9/3/1990, sought for a normal relationship.

Basically Vietnam abandoned your puppet regime in Cambodia and backed out. China and Vietnam foreign relationship back to normal.

In 7th National Congress of the Communist Party of Vietnam in 1991, Vietnam Communist Party announced your new domestic and foreign policy. Domestic policy followed China, foreign policy was based on maintaining peace, friendship and co-operation.

You guys abandoned Le Duan expansionism apparently.

Trying to conquer Cambodia is dream, but turned out a disaster of Vietnam. It's a strategical misjudgment. Ho Chi Minh is legend, Le Duan is adventurer I think.

You can dislike what I said, but my logical is there.

 

[riscol]

I happened to come across a very interesting video which explains a lot about the lies spread by the Vietnamese. Also the comments on Youtube were educational as well

 

[cochine]

No matter what you say, when Le Duan died in 1986, his successor Nguyễn Văn Linh changed his IndoChina policy 180°, Vietnam sought to back out from Cambodia. Nguyễn Văn Linh, Đỗ Mười and Phạm Văn Đồng come to Sichuan China on 9/3/1990, sought for a normal relationship.

Basically Vietnam abandoned your puppet regime in Cambodia and backed out. China and Vietnam foreign relationship back to normal.

In 7th National Congress of the Communist Party of Vietnam in 1991, Vietnam Communist Party announced your new domestic and foreign policy. Domestic policy followed China, foreign policy was based on maintaining peace, friendship and co-operation.

You guys abandoned Le Duan expansionism apparently.

Trying to conquer Cambodia is dream, but turned out a disaster of Vietnam. It's a strategical misjudgment. Ho Chi Minh is legend, Le Duan is adventurer I think.

You can dislike what I said, but my logical is there.

What you've said is based on fabricatings of CPC propaganda, this logic is wrong. The 7th congress of party did not saying that Vietnam will be followed China. Its funny story of Ah Q man ! Normalization diplomacy relation with enemies after cold war is nothing special in the time, including France, USA, Japan, Korean, Australia etc.

Hunsen and his party had won on the election, this is the answer for you. VCP had stopped the dirty policy of CPC with the criminal intention that to make Vietnam is blooding under border war with Khmer Rouge, genocid regim with backing of China. There is selfdefence operation and help for Khmer people to bring Polpot and his followers to International tribune Court. Its shameful for China.

Le Duan is the leader he done good job when Vietnam is facing with too many enemies in battles for regain independence. He is hightly respected here in Vietnam same as hero, he got the position could be followed after Ho Chi Minh.

I happened to come across a very interesting video which explains a lot about the lies spread by the Vietnamese. Also the comments on Youtube were educational as well

You are idiot chinese kid, shoot up.

 

[vi-va]

What you've said is based on fabricatings of CPC propaganda, this logic is wrong. The 7th congress of party did not saying that Vietnam will be followed China. Its funny story of Ah Q man ! Normalization diplomacy relation with enemies after cold war is nothing special in the time, including France, USA, Japan, Korean, Australia etc.

Hunsen and his party had won on the election, this is the answer for you. VCP had stopped the dirty policy of CPC with the criminal intention that to make Vietnam is blooding under border war with Khmer Rouge, genocid regim with backing of China. There is selfdefence operation and help for Khmer people to bring Polpot and his followers to International tribune Court. Its shameful for China.

Le Duan is the leader he done good job when Vietnam is facing with too many enemies in battles for regain independence. He is hightly respected here in Vietnam same as hero, he got the position could be followed after Ho Chi Minh.

Le Duan got the position because he played politics better and ruthless. Ho Chi Minh lost power long before Le Duan succeed.

I don't care how Le Duan grabbed power in VCP, it's nothing new. His expansionism dragged Vietnam into 2 wars which could be avoided.

Millions died because of his expansionism, it's doomed to fail and it did fail.

 

[cochine]

Le Duan got the position because he played politics better and ruthless. Ho Chi Minh lost power long before Le Duan succeed.

I don't care how Le Duan grabbed power in VCP, it's nothing new. His expansionism dragged Vietnam into 2 wars which could be avoided.

Millions died because of his expansionism, it's doomed to fail and it did fail.

Briefly, its not true !

 

[vi-va]

Briefly, its not true !

It failed. VCP leaders Nguyễn Văn Linh, Đỗ Mười and Phạm Văn Đồng come to Sichuan China on 9/3/1990 sought for peace.