France unveils model of the New Generation Fighter

[A.P. Richelieu]

What's ur definition of successful? Numbers built? Export orders? Advanced tech?

According to numbers built...Typhoon is more successful...I think in terms of export orders too but I'll have to look that up to be sure.

How many sold to India, of course, LOL!

According to Wiki, there are 276 Rafale on order or delivered, including exports of 96.
There are 623 Typhoons ordered or delivered including 151 exports.
As a comparision, Gripen have 326 on order or delivered making Rafale the least successful of the Eurocanards.

A comparision of exports, (excluding the Middle East, where SAAB is not allowed to export), shows that:

• the Rafale has only won a single order (36 for India)
• the Typhoon has won a single order (15 for Austria)
• The Gripen has won five orders for 104 aircrafts, including leased aircrafts.

Austria is considering replacing their Tranche 1 Typhoons, with Gripen as a successor.

If we compare orders by original partners:

• Rafale: France: 180
• Typhoon: UK, Spain, Italy, Germany: 472 = 118 per country
• Gripen: Sweden: 264, with some resold/leased.

 

[Cookie Monster]

How many sold to India, of course, LOL!

According to Wiki, there are 276 Rafale on order or delivered, including exports of 96.
There are 623 Typhoons ordered or delivered including 151 exports.
As a comparision, Gripen have 326 on order or delivered making Rafale the least successful of the Eurocanards.

A comparision of exports, (excluding the Middle East, where SAAB is not allowed to export), shows that:

• the Rafale has only won a single order (36 for India)
• the Typhoon has won a single order (15 for Austria)
• The Gripen has won five orders for 104 aircrafts, including leased aircrafts.

Austria is considering replacing their Tranche 1 Typhoons, with Gripen as a successor.

If we compare orders by original partners:

• Rafale: France: 180
• Typhoon: UK, Spain, Italy, Germany: 472 = 118 per country
• Gripen: Sweden: 264, with some resold/leased.

Idk why Sweden has such rules in place that bar it from exporting offensive weapons to a number of countries. Relax those rules and Gripen would get more sales...why axe ur own foot?

 

[Dash]

No it's not, not by any measure....

Establish it...

What's ur definition of successful? Numbers built? Export orders? Advanced tech?

According to numbers built...Typhoon is more successful...I think in terms of export orders too but I'll have to look that up to be sure.

Numbers built for many countries and numbers built for one country matters. And India alone is buying 36 now and it will add another 50+ not exceeding that in coming future. Anyway you look up and come back. I will be here.

 

[Type59]

IAF bigwigs will see design. Then ask HAL to revise LCA design to be tailess.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Idk why Sweden has such rules in place that bar it from exporting offensive weapons to a number of countries. Relax those rules and Gripen would get more sales...why axe ur own foot?

Because we do not want to read about our stuff beeing used to kill innocent civilians.
At the same time, we want to support the natural right of self defense.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Numbers built for many countries and numbers built for one country matters. And India alone is buying 36 now and it will add another 50+ not exceeding that in coming future. Anyway you look up and come back. I will be here.

Yeah that's just very arbitrary and not at all based on any established facts when it comes to determining which fighter jet is better.

Is this the best u could come up with? The numbers built for many countries vs numbers built for one country and the theoretical 50+ number India "will" acquire...

So it's clear to me that Rafale being "better" than Eurofighter is just ur OPINION.

 

[Dash]

Yeah that's just very arbitrary and not at all based on any established facts when it comes to determining which fighter jet is better.

Is this the best u could come up with? The numbers built for many countries vs numbers built for one country and the theoretical 50+ number India "will" acquire...

So it's clear to me that Rafale being "better" than Eurofighter is just ur OPINION.

Your statement was not warranting any research. I asked you to come up with your findings and I would have done it if you had come up with some answer. But anyway. There is an entire sticky dedicated for Dassult you can come up with your observations there and I will surely come up with something better.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Your statement was not warranting any research. I asked you to come up with your findings and I would have done it if you had come up with some answer. But anyway. There is an entire sticky dedicated for Dassult you can come up with your observations there and I will surely come up with something better.

What do u mean my statement wasn't warranting any research? Did I make any claims that I needed to provide proof for? Nope. I merely questioned ur claim. U r the one who claimed that Rafale is better than Typhoon and I asked u based on what criteria? So u see the burden of proof lies on u to prove ur claim...otherwise it remains an opinion.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Your statement was not warranting any research. I asked you to come up with your findings and I would have done it if you had come up with some answer. But anyway. There is an entire sticky dedicated for Dassult you can come up with your observations there and I will surely come up with something better.

You have the facts on delivered, ordered andexported aircrafts for all Eurocanards,
which shows that the Rafale is the least successful of the three.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

2018:
knock knock IMF bailout package
2030: IMF bailout package
2060: IMF bailout package
2100: bailout us again..

Pak's precarious financial (FOREX) condition and her defense procurement/manufacturing/readiness etc. staffs are mutually exclusive!!! With only a couple of billion $s in the treasury she has been being able to keep India (the largest defense products importer with 7x larger economy) at the bay for decades in and decades out!!! How Pak does it is beyond me....

 

[danger007]

Pak's precarious financial (FOREX) condition and her defense procurement/manufacturing/readiness etc. staffs are mutually exclusive!!! With only a couple of billion $s in the treasury she has been being able to keep India (the largest defense products importer with 7x larger economy) at the bay for decades in and decades out!!! How Pak does it is beyond me....

You need to look into the post, i quoted... or may be we don't want to fight unnecessary war... simple.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Pak's precarious financial (FOREX) condition and her defense procurement/manufacturing/readiness etc. staffs are mutually exclusive!!! With only a couple of billion $s in the treasury she has been being able to keep India (the largest defense products importer with 7x larger economy) at the bay for decades in and decades out!!! How Pak does it is beyond me....

Regardless...his insult is right. Indians can continue to insult us like this for as long as we have traitorous scums among us driving the country to financial ruin as they fill their pockets. Rather than looking at it like an insult and insulting them back for one of their shortcomings...Pakistanis should tighten the noose around the corrupt traitors instead. In today's world a thriving economy is paramount if a country is to be taken seriously...otherwise it remains at the mercy of other powerful countries.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Regardless...his insult is right. Indians can continue to insult us like this for as long as we have traitorous scums among us driving the country to financial ruin as they fill their pockets. Rather than looking at it like an insult and insulting them back for one of their shortcomings...Pakistanis should tighten the noose around the corrupt traitors instead. In today's world a thriving economy is paramount if a country is to be taken seriously...otherwise it remains at the mercy of other powerful countries.

I just wanted to show the extreme cases!!! Insha'Allah things will get better for Pak's financial discipline....

 

[Cookie Monster]

You need to look into the post, i quoted... or may be we don't want to fight unnecessary war... simple.

Not wanting to fight unnecessary war? Does ur gov know about this supposed peacefulness? Bcuz they seemed to be geared up for war. The constant rhetoric over Kashmir being an "atoot ang", showing it as part of India in maps, and crying day in day out about CPEC passing through Azad Kashmir...these are but a few examples of ur country's desires. The only thing standing between ur army marching in is Pakistan's army. So spare us this "India the peaceful nation" narrative...save it for ur domestic propaganda.

 

[Oldman1]

Reminds me of this.