France turns the screws on Imran Khan, declines upgrade for Mirage, subs and more

[Clutch]

Careful there bud. Claiming that god needs your protection will land you in shirk territory. In any case, you're doing a bang up job so far.

A secular republic is their god. Did you not kill their people?

God doesn't need our protection... He expects us to protect his Deen.
France to return skulls of 24 Algerian anti-colonial fighters, Algiers says

• 02 July 2020
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Image captionPeople carry Algeria's national flag in Algiers. File photo
Algeria says France is about to return the remains of 24 fighters who were killed resisting French colonial forces in the 19th Century.
Algerian President Abdelmadjid Tebboune disclosed the move at a military ceremony on Thursday.
The skulls of some of the fighters have been on display in a museum in Paris.
Algeria gained independence from France in 1962 after a bloody seven-year war, which ended more than a century of a colonial rule.

 

[Chacha_Facebooka]

God doesn't need our protection... He expects us to protect his Deen.

You have failed then. Islam got split into Shias and Sunnis. Those in turn got split into 4+ schools of thought each. Those schools of thought then split into sects. Each sect considers the others kafir. Which deen are you protecting?

Sunnis are killing shias. Shias are killing sunnies. Deobandies and wahabis are killing barelvies. Barelvies are killing deobandies and wahabis. Wahabis are saying that they are true sunnies and that barelvies are kafirs. Barelvies are saying that they are true sunnies and that wahabis are kafirs. Both call shias kafirs. Shias call them kafirs in return. All of them call ahmadis kafirs. Everyone is killing each other. Anyone who questions all this violence is killed. Sometimes people are killed, and we find out later that it was actually due to a land dispute or a family feud. All of them kill hindus. Hindus then kill them in return. Then they decide that islam needs protection from the west and start killing westerners. The west retaliates by turning entire countries into smoke and rubble.

Learn from history. Ideas can only be fought with ideas. They can only be defended with words. The age of religious conquest is long over. Christians already tried using violence to "defend their faith" in the dark ages. Now Europe is secular. This will be the fate of the muslim world as well. There is a hadith that a time will come when everyone will become faithless except people of Mecca and Jerusalem. How ironic that the so called "defenders of faith" will bring about that future.

The only thing that god protects is Quran.

 

[Bossman]

I am not sure if the news is true but launching a tirade against a global power is not wise. There are dozens of Muslim countries that are far better placed to hurt France and at the same time able to cope with whatever the French throw back. Let them do it like Turkey, Iran, Saudia Arabia etc.

Pakistan is the last on the list and should have stayed low key. BUT, Pakistani population is ignorant. We saw how Rizvi made a big deal about this. This forced the hand of the government to shout louder and not be seen as soft on France. Basically mob force influenced and often forces the hand of Pak governments.

Are you a Ahamadi? Because Ahamadis have accepted dominance of the West as part of their creed. Hence they are a cult and not a universal religion.

absolutely france manufacture nothing today remotely connected to mirage iii

Mirage III and IV are now basically Pakistani planes. They should change the name to like HinduKush. We already have a plane named after a mountain range I.e. Karakoram.

 

[TheSnakeEatingMarkhur]

Pakistan needs Mirage upgrades from france ? Kindly tell this dumb propagandist that we have maintained Mirages and kept them operational even after half a century...



Pakistan Aeronautical Complex has mirage blueprints and enough knowledge that they themselves can build a Mirage from scratch if they have to



As for Agosta Subs Turkey is always there

 

[CatSultan]

I stopped trusting Indian news a long time ago.

 

[waz]

More BS from the Hindustan Times.

 

[Thorough Pro]

French are famous for their treachery, it started with their refusal to honour a signed agreement to sell a heavy water reactor to Pakistan in 1976. Recently they refused to honour their agreement to sell avionics for Thunders. Besides who cares about these deals when it comes to the honour of our holy prophet.

See, this is what happens when you have a big mouth.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Are you a Ahamadi?

No. Hooman.

Because Ahamadis have accepted dominance of the West as part of their creed. Hence they are a cult and not a universal religion.

Your proving you have "not accepted the dominance of the West" by farting on PDF? I have respect for Taliban, ISIS more than you. They at least don't just fart but fight Western dominance instead of being keyboard tough guys.

 

[Clutch]

You have failed then. Islam got split into Shias and Sunnis. Those in turn got split into 4+ schools of thought each. Those schools of thought then split into sects. Each sect considers the others kafir. Which deen are you protecting?

Islam is predicted to split intoO over 70 sects... there are close to that if not more...

It's foretold... But it's still to be victorious.

No. Hooman.

Your proving you have "not accepted the dominance of the West" by farting on PDF? I have respect for Taliban, ISIS more than you. They at least don't just fart but fight Western dominance instead of being keyboard tough guys.

You are just a keyboard warrior as anyone else... We are all hypocrites here... So let's not try to play the "I'm better than you game"
This all BS news... From Hindu Times

 

[airomerix]

This is all hue and cry.

The matter of Pak-French cooperation is more clinical than we think. Although, some of our major deals fell through due to variety of reasons such as India's acquisition of french equipment (Mirage 2000 upgrade, Scorpion subs, Rafales etc). However, not once have French denied us any weapons other than those that compliment nuclear technology.

The deal for JF-17 Block 2 avionics, pods, radar fell through due to high costs. The jet would have costed us around $40M with those things. Also, French either deal with us in Euro's or USD. PAF simply did not have that kind of foreign exchange back in early 2010s. Pakistan is NOT under sanctions. French have no reason to deny us anything. But what they do is, become less flexible on payment terms, offset agreements and ToT. These factors eventually kill the deal.

Pakistan does not afford below average ties with France diplomatically and militarily. We have an entire Mirage fleet that does require spares from France every now and then. We do not manufacture everything locally. We simply find no value in setting up CinC setup for these 50 year old aircraft that are due to retire in less than 10 years. Instead, we place orders with several aerospace manufacturing firms in France that use 3D printing and get whatever we need.

 

[Saudang]

The real reason to issue such a piece by HT is that India's fear of Pakistan access to Rafale.

France didn't say so but Indian Media was quick to shout. Furthermore, Augosta upgrade is already done by Turkey let alone the other references & stopping Mirage upgrade kits or whatever these Indians are up-to. Mirages are upgraded at MRF and parts wouldn't be an issue given the service life left for the fleet as well as their superannuation till the time of replacement. PAF Technicians are already trained by DASSAULT.



Eventually, Indian Ambassador was told like to keep calm and believe in this which is almost irrelevant. The beating by Mirage & Pakistan Access to Rafale; is very painful for Modi.

By the way, if that is the case then Indian establishment should also know that SISI has taken the Macron to the cleaners as well on similar issue and not to mention about PAF buying already upgraded Egyptian Mirages mostly for spare support and further addition to the existing fleet. The fleet is going to fly till replacement and neither the so-called Indian Ambassador nor the Hindustan Times can do anything. In-fact, the whole Muslim world has condemned Macron for his provocation & arrogance. I will be waiting for how many nations among those are being sanctioned by France like this allegedly but No.... only Pakistan has to be sanctioned in parallel world because Indian Ambassador visited so.


After such news piece, Indian Media be like:

Ab France sikhaye ga Pakistan ko sabak
Mirage Tayaray reh gaye zameen par (q k pichli dafa unhu mara or India kuch na kar saka)
PAF ura na sakay gi vemaan
Navy reh jaye gi pareshan q k Pakistan ki abdoz rahay gi gar par
Pakistani Navy ab le na sakay gi pani ma sans
and go on man.

OMG... your prediction on Indian Hindi News Channel headlines are so close to realities. Just wrong in few words like abdoz or Tayara. They will not use these words

You must be watching a lot of them..

 

[-=virus=-]

Sunnis are killing shias. Shias are killing sunnies. Deobandies and wahabis are killing barelvies. Barelvies are killing deobandies and wahabis. Wahabis are saying that they are true sunnies and that barelvies are kafirs. Barelvies are saying that they are true sunnies and that wahabis are kafirs. Both call shias kafirs. Shias call them kafirs in return. All of them call ahmadis kafirs. Everyone is killing each other. Anyone who questions all this violence is killed. Sometimes people are killed, and we find out later that it was actually due to a land dispute or a family feud. All of them kill hindus. Hindus then kill them in return. Then they decide that islam needs protection from the west and start killing westerners. The west retaliates by turning entire countries into smoke and rubble.

Learn from history. Ideas can only be fought with ideas.

Well said.

 

[The Eagle]

Muslim who killed and attacked magazine office in France, . These religious eat there, feed their children there, eat on their bowl and still speak against France even attacks on peaceful people. Isn't this hypocrisy? Keep emotion on one side, did they raise weapon against them? Is killing only solution. What message they giving to world.
Peace??
We should not support violence and terrorism such as to kill people in the name of religion..
#Peace

Why someone attacked the office is in-fact no concern for you. Since you have no interest or relation to the reason; it will be better not to interfere into such issues. There are no emotions and you wouldn't understand unless you have been through such situation. They preaches to disrespect/blasphemy of Prophet (SAWW) and then shouldn't expect peace after all the provocation & hurting the sentiments. By your logic, Muslims have to act like a robot on a program and same goes to other religions. Did you know the man will kill before they posted the blasphemy cartoons? Don't do something unless one knows the aftermath. No one can control the emotions that too when it is all about Islam. No one is supporting violence but we cannot keep silence over the arrogance & stupidity and Islamophobia that too coming from head of a state. Better to stay away as this does not seems to be your topic to understand.

OMG... your prediction on Indian Hindi News Channel headlines are so close to realities. Just wrong in few words like abdoz or Tayara. They will not use these words

You must be watching a lot of them..

Man... back in the days, used to watch it like any news channel but then I realized that it's just mental torture and nothing else. Tayara for Veemaan... abdoz for pandogi?

 

[Tomcats]

It is pertinent to note that if one were to look closely at the events that have unfolded in the past week or two that recently Qatar visited Pakistan and met with all 3 Chiefs of staff of PAF,PA,PN. It is very much possible that the visit came on the behest of France to convey their demand of preventing Pakistan from accessing the Rafale (If they already havent since Indian deliveries/orders) and requested the removal of all Pak origin technology from French military equipment and apparently aid was denied for the Agosta and Mirage. This is merely a possibility/theory however given the events that have unfolded it recently it is a decent possibility.

P.S thanks to a friend of mine for helping connect the dots to the potential of this.

 

[HAIDER]

After Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan strongly defended Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s claim that French President Emmanuel Macron is Islamophobic and to boycott Made In France products, Pakistan had the courage to request to Paris to upgrade its French-made fighters jets, submarines and air defense systems.

Diplomats in New Delhi and Paris told Hindustan Times that Pakistan had recently requested France for upgrades to keep the fighter jets in the air.

“The request has been declined,” one diplomat in Paris said.

The Pakistani Air Force has about 150 Dassault Aviation Mirage fighter jets, comprising of Mirage III and Mirage 5, as well as three Agosta 90B submarines built by French firm Naval Group and a French-Italian made air defense system.

French-made Mirage fighter jet.


Although the Pakistani Air Force has about 150 Mirage fighter jets, only half of them are serviceable.

The French rejection to upgrade these aircrafts gives India a major military advantage over Pakistan.

According to the Hindustan Times, France also told Qatar, one of the countries that bought French-made Rafale fighter jets, to not allow Pakistani technicians to work with the plane over concerns that they could leak technical information about the fighter to Islamabad as the omni-role jet is the front-line fighter of India.

Diplomats said a third request from Pakistan to upgrade its Agosta 90B class submarines with air-independent propulsion (AIP) systems that would allow them to stay underwater for longer has also been rejected by France.

A similar request for upgrading the French-Italian air defence system has also been denied.

Khan defending radical Muslims in France, even at a time when Ali Hassan, an 18-year-old of Pakistani origin, stabbed two persons with a meat cleaver outside the previous office of Charlie Hebdo because it published an image of Muhamad, the founder of Islam, something that is forbidden according to the Muslim religion.

His father, who still lives in Pakistan, told a local news channel that his son had “done a great job” and he is “very happy” about the terrorist attack.

Khan wrote an open letter to leaders of Muslim-majority countries that asked them to unite against “growing Islamophobia in non-Muslim states” and Pakistan’s National Assembly made an embarrassing demand to recall the Pakistani ambassador to Paris. despite Pakistan not having an ambassador in Paris for months already.

Paris Declines Pakistani Request To Upgrade French-made Jets And Submarines After Imran Khan's Support For Erdoğan

After Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan strongly defended Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan's claim that French President Emmanuel Macron is

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