France to offer bigger Scorpenes for $5 billion Indian submarine order

[jha]

Interesting Concept by DCNS..They seem to have done some work on this..

SMX-25

Non-nuclear submarines can't run fast for long: batteries don't store enough energy, their circular-section hulls aren't efficient on the surface, and wave effects limit snorkeling speed to 11 knots or so. SMX-25 is therefore designed for high speed on the surface, with a wave-piercing hull and retractable air inlets for three 16 MW gas turbines driving waterjets. Top speed is 38 knots and range at 14-20 knots is 8000 nm.

In action, SMX-25 can ballast to a semi-submerged position with the sail above the surface. It can still run on turbines, the sail is a small visual or radar target, and all 16 missile tubes are ready to fire. Finally, the boat can submerge completely and run on diesel (via a snorkel) or batteries, driving retractable motor-propeller units.

It's a big submarine for a non-nuke, 360 feet long with a surface displacement of 2850 tonnes and 5460 tonnes submerged. under the water, the hull is faceted rather than rounded - like a stealthy aircraft, faceting weakens back-scattered echo from an active sonar.

 

[koushik]

I think the Amur class SSKs will be a great choice.They are already very stealthy and come with BRAHMOS SLCM.They can be equipped with AIP.

 

[jha]

France to offer bigger Scorpenes for $5 billion Indian submarine order

Why are IDRW guys posting this now ..?

 

[axisofevil]

When the German Subs are being tested buy the US because th USN finds them superior and extremely difficult to locate with sonar then why are we even looking for different vendors. The winner is quite obvious! HDW

 

[axisofevil]

Interesting Concept by DCNS..They seem to have done some work on this..

SMX-25

This concept incorporates certain features that are present in Naval Subs as I write. THe addition of propellers on the side of the sub is used to maneuver the sub quickly ....yet the Subs being given to us are using old tech and features. Sure, AIP is great but Pakistan has iit for sometime now from the French I believe. HDW or this futuristic Spanish design is the way to go for the future of IN.

 

[sancho]

Interesting Concept by DCNS..They seem to have done some work on this..

It`s indeed an interesting concept, but I think a pretty long shot till it will be available, but the French have several interesting concepts that shows their potential in that area. Would love to sea Mistral class LHDs and L-Cat Landing Catamaran in IN as well, on the sub side I still hope for German subs, if possible with AIP and Brahmos.

 

[Kinetic]

Interesting Concept by DCNS..They seem to have done some work on this..

SMX-25

Cool one. There are many such SMX concepts from DCNS. One of the criteria for new P-75I is, it should operate small midget submarines/UUV for highly sensitive mission and monitoring enemy from close.

 

[jha]

It`s indeed an interesting concept, but I think a pretty long shot till it will be available, but the French have several interesting concepts that shows their potential in that area. Would love to sea Mistral class LHDs and L-Cat Landing Catamaran in IN as well, on the sub side I still hope for German subs, if possible with AIP and Brahmos.

Yes..German Subs are supposed the best.. Their AIP is also deemed to be better ( Ethanol V/S Steam )..
But Commonality with Scorpenes may turn the tide towards France..

 

[Invincible INDIAN]

I am not a defence expert. So can anyone help, for which one IN is looking for?

 

[sancho]

Yes..German Subs are supposed the best.. Their AIP is also deemed to be better ( Ethanol V/S Steam )..
But Commonality with Scorpenes may turn the tide towards France..

Of course the commonality is a major point for the French, especially that we know really get AIP from them and I bet they will offer additional ToT as well, but there were reports about IN asking HDW to integrate Brahmos. Neither the Russians, nor the French can integrate AIP propulsion and Brahmos at once, it's always either the one, or the other. The Germans instead are using AIP in the normal subs and if they are able to add another module for Brahmos as well, they would offer a unique capability. Will try to find out more about this from some German sources.

I am not a defence expert. So can anyone help, for which one IN is looking for?

Hi, IN has a new competiton for additional subs with AIP propulsion. The Russians offer the Amur class subs:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...llion-indian-submarine-order.html#post1329385


The French additional Scorpene class subs, like we already ordered, but this time they all will have AIP propulsion and not only the last 2, or 3:

Scorpène class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Scorpene | DCNS


The Germans offer their U214 subs with possibly the best AIP propulsion:

Type 214 submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft GmbH


Interesting about the German subs are, that they are based on the U209 subs, that are already in use in the IN, the Shishumar class:

Bharat-Rakshak.com :: NAVY - Shishumar Class


So there might be some level of experience and ease operating German subs, not to mention that IN now plans to upgrade these older subs and the Germans offered an upgrade combined with a new procurement deal before (reportedly at lower costs than the French). They surely will try to do the same again and as I mentioned above, might be the only one that can add Brahmos and AIP.

 

[Kinetic]

I am not a defence expert. So can anyone help, for which one IN is looking for?

sacho have replied well, i want to put something. IN floated a tender for six submarine for a large amount of money with certain requirements. Now the vendors will reply with the best they can offer in that sum. So no perticular submarine finalized.