France starts ban on full-face veil

[jayron]

There are thousands of indian Hindus working in Saudi Arabia, do they not practice Hinduism or have they all converted to Islam for the sake of their jobs? Your hypocrisy knows no bound!

No other religion can build places of worship in Saudi Arabia except for islam.

 

[fallstuff]

I think now this is itself a part of French constitution.



They already stated that,no confinement in case of religious places,vehicles and private properties.



Agent provocateur are controlled by govt themselves,so according to u even FORFUSCO cannot wear mask,clearly u should be able to distinguish the following

The law is enforced itself to dissuade from such acts.



Hmmm,so is this law also applicable to foreign dignitaries,or only french citizens?



How?[/QUOTE]

A Constitution is the authority that gives the Legislature the power to enact a Statute.

A Statute is what the Legislature creates in the house or parliament. Such as "The Burqa Act."



That is the contradiction. French Law defines church and Mosques as public places.

This Law will hinder police activities.


Your right to protest is a fundamental right. Police do use facial recognition software to ID and target protesters.



It shouldn't matter dignitaries or not. If your are on France, the Law applies to you, can't be selective unless the Statue provides for.

It is estimated between 350 and 2000 women probably wear Burqa. Lets take a middle number 1000, this includes women who are forced and those who are not forced. Even if a man wants to cover his face, he can't.



What about Halloween parties that are held in clubs ? If folks at these parties are not charged, then you have an issue of discrimination.

 

[tallboy123]

The law is enforced itself to dissuade from such acts.



Hmmm,so is this law also applicable to foreign dignitaries,or only french citizens?



How?

A Constitution is the authority that gives the Legislature the power to enact a Statute.

A Statute is what the Legislature creates in the house or parliament. Such as "The Burqa Act."



That is the contradiction. French Law defines church and Mosques as public places.

This Law will hinder police activities.


Your right to protest is a fundamental right. Police do use facial recognition software to ID and target protesters.



It shouldn't matter dignitaries or not. If your are on France, the Law applies to you, can't be selective unless the Statue provides for.

It is estimated between 350 and 2000 women probably wear Burqa. Lets take a middle number 1000, this includes women who are forced and those who are not forced. Even if a man wants to cover his face, he can't.



What about Halloween parties that are held in clubs ? If folks at these parties are not charged, then you have an issue of discrimination.

that's a party dude......they don't wear mask all day long...every where they go..... its for a change....

 

[fallstuff]

Hooligans cover their faces during protests to safeguard themselves from law. By comparing them to burqa wearing women, you are not justifying burqua.

My points are the complexities associated with these kinds of legislation.

Protesters have been targeted since the days of Vietnam war.

 

[tallboy123]

Guys majority of Muslim population is in FRANCE...they have 6 million muslims
so tell me how many women came out with hijab yesterday to protest???????
Only 2????
wat happened to rest of women..????

it shows even Muslim women wants freedom from black dress and want to be colorful and live like others

 

[fallstuff]

that's a party dude......they don't wear mask all day long...every where they go..... its for a change....

The issue is covering your face in a public place with regards to public safety. There are more party goers in Mask then they will ever have women in Burqa for 10 years.

 

[tallboy123]

Guys majority of Muslim population is in FRANCE...they have 6 million muslims
so tell me how many women came out with hijab yesterday to protest???????
Only 2????
wat happened to rest of women..????

it shows even Muslim women wants freedom from black dress and want to be colorful and live like others

Fallstuff can u answer this????

 

[Kompromat]

French are lunatics , i can tell its going to blast in their face.

 

[punit]

how many hindus go to temples and christians go to church anyway

at least a billion ... and since when wearing ninja dress aka burka beacme a part of Islam.

 

[fallstuff]

Fallstuff can u answer this????

Well I just didn't see the co-relation between the popularity ( or the lack of it) of Burqa law and number of protesters. Seeing a Burqa in France is a rare sight ( also in Dhaka). So its not unusual that only a few protester wearing Burqa showed up

There are only 350 to 2000 women wear Burqa in France. It is more popular in converts. Here is a report by French Police,

Burka use in France a 'marginal phenomenon': report

Two French police intelligence agencies have issued reports calling burka use in the country a "marginal phenomenon," one of which claimed fewer than 400 women wear the full-body covering, national media reported.

The wearing of burkas — all-concealing traditional dresses, with built-in mesh covering the eyes — has been a controversial issue in France. French legislators have pondered banning the use of burkas and niqabs, full-face veils that ,unlike burqas, do no not obscure use of the wearer's eyes altogether.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has called the burka "a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement."

French newspaper Le Monde reported that two police intelligence reports written earlier this month suggested few Muslim women wear burkas.

One of the reports, released by French intelligence agency Sous-direction de l'information générale, found only 367 women in France wear the burka. But the report does not claim that number is a comprehensive figure, and urges further study into the issue, Le Monde reported.

A committee of 32 legislators from all four major political parties in the National Assembly, the lower house of parliament, is expected to deliver its report on whether burkas should be banned by the end of the year.

About five million Muslims live in France, home to western Europe's largest population of Muslims.


With files from The Associated Press


Burka use in France a 'marginal phenomenon': report - World - CBC News

 

[fallstuff]

Burka use in France a 'marginal phenomenon': report

Two French police intelligence agencies have issued reports calling burka use in the country a "marginal phenomenon," one of which claimed fewer than 400 women wear the full-body covering, national media reported.

The wearing of burkas — all-concealing traditional dresses, with built-in mesh covering the eyes — has been a controversial issue in France. French legislators have pondered banning the use of burkas and niqabs, full-face veils that ,unlike burqas, do no not obscure use of the wearer's eyes altogether.

President Nicolas Sarkozy has called the burka "a sign of subservience, a sign of debasement."

French newspaper Le Monde reported that two police intelligence reports written earlier this month suggested few Muslim women wear burkas.

One of the reports, released by French intelligence agency Sous-direction de l'information générale, found only 367 women in France wear the burka. But the report does not claim that number is a comprehensive figure, and urges further study into the issue, Le Monde reported.

A committee of 32 legislators from all four major political parties in the National Assembly, the lower house of parliament, is expected to deliver its report on whether burkas should be banned by the end of the year.

About five million Muslims live in France, home to western Europe's largest population of Muslims.


With files from The Associated Press


Burka use in France a 'marginal phenomenon': report - World - CBC News

 

[Black Widow]

Sick. so much for their human rights, liberty and freedom. they are happy with their sisters and daughters going around naked. Proof enough that they not only have no moral values, they don't even have any respect for personal freedom. This is the outcome when the whole society is born out of wedlock. Bastards have no respect for anyone.

dude what is naked for you is not naked for them.... there cultural values are different than ours', I have seen many indian criticizing there life style... but the question is , is it worth to bash them ??? they are not saying you muslim or hindu to being naked.. they are just asking not to show of religious identities publicly...

and the truth is Europe and America are Cristians' land.. Muslim and hindu can't ask right to their ritual at their land... and if you have problem , then there are 40 countries for Muslim and 3 countries for hindu where they can do their rituals...

Stop complaining...

 

[JonAsad]

Guys majority of Muslim population is in FRANCE...they have 6 million muslims
so tell me how many women came out with hijab yesterday to protest???????
Only 2????
wat happened to rest of women..????

it shows even Muslim women wants freedom from black dress and want to be colorful and live like others

It also shows that majority of Muslim women in consent with their families have given in to the unfair and medieval law that has been wrongly placed on them- They dont want any confrontation with the authorities and have decided to obey the law-

But that doesn't validate the law which suppress their religious freedom-

 

[desioptimist]

It also shows that majority of Muslim women in consent with their families have given in to the unfair and medieval law that has been wrongly placed on them- They dont want any confrontation with the authorities and have decided to obey the law-

But that doesn't validate the law which suppress their religious freedom-

There are many women who support the law and many who oppose it. The strictest of the measure is for those who force others to wear face veil. Again, you CAN wear any dress and head gear, but cant cover the face.
Although french have their own reason(some say politics), and would fail eventually, it is nice to see so many muslims supporting it too. Instead of fine, compulsory counselling is much better and less offensive.
I know in a Indian city, where helmets were made compulsory. Those who were caught without it, the only thing they hated was the counselling, which involved watching some insanely boring videos. People were prepared to pay fine than watch it.

 

[desioptimist]

So, now the stance is changed, just a little while ago every Indian menber was back patting the french and encouraging the europe to do the same, while India itseld does not have to courage to ban the same kind of religious outfits.

Second part. If that muslim woman wants to go into a shell and not integrate with french society, its her own choice who are we to force her by making a law. Are'nt Indian widows forced to go into shell and not integrate with society? Arnet these widows forced to wear only white Sari for the rest of their life? Are'nt these widows forced ot to wear jewlery, sellp on the floor and never attend a wedding cersmoney? Why don't you In dina smake lawas against these victims who are forced against their will. why are these widows never allowed to re-marry? don't just encourage french, thhere is alot to be done at home.

Why not ban the turbans worn by Sikhs, or Yellow dresses byworn by Gurmukhi's or the same niqab worn by muslim women.

It's not about how many women wear Burqa, even if it is only one woman in the whole of France, it is her basic birth right to choose whatever she likes to wear. and it is not even offensive.

The ironey is these same western civilizations and their judicial system blames their own "liberated" free women when they are rpaed becuase they were wearing the modern dresses that their civilization is so famouds for. Just recently here in north america a police representative while speaking in a university said to avoid the risk of rape women should not dress like a slut. This is their own honest opinion abou the dresses their women wear. If they cant provide justice to their own women following thier own modern liberated ways, what right do they have to object to Burqa or Niqab.

I do not represent any side of argument. Argue with me with the points I have raised, not by lumping me with others who may have similar view.

Ban is on on niqab. Niqab is not offensive to us who have seen it in our country since childhood. In france it is new. They have come to realize that it hinders the communication.
All other things you said are wrong too, and I will support french ban on anybody forcing widows to wear white saree.
It is difficult to ban it in India, but just because we cant do it does not mean we should oppose it.

There is no correlation between rape and revealing dress in western society. It could be in south asia, where women wearing such dress seem to indicate they are "inviting" others(in some male minds)