France says it cannot deliver Mistral warship to Russia over Ukraine

[Penguin]

Wasp can carry more aircraft and of larger size than the Izumo?
like the V-22 Osprey??

they must have their reasons if they want'em
and by god I hope they do

The point is, if they can design and build 22DDH, they can design and build something along the lines of the Wasp. So, why import? Note JMSDF uses no imported ships at all (I think three locally built variants of the Italian Sparviero hydrofoil are the only examples).

 

[The SC]

Why can't Russia build their own LHD?

China is building 40,000 ton type 075 LHD so why can't Russia build such warships?
What nonsense.

The fact that Russia has to import such weapons from Europe should be considered an insult to the Russian military-inustrial complex.

Stop importing weapons and start building it yourself.

Not to mention spy bugs that are sophisticated and very hard to detect, can be left passive and remote actioned from time to time to get the J.Ved ships positions and guess the movement of the Russian fleet in case of conflict. France is independent in words only, most of the EU countries share technologies with France and are members of NATO !?
Medvedev was ready to sell Russian sovereignty and jeopardize its security to get closer to the West, remember his decision not to fulfill the S-300 contract with Iran, just to please the US and NATO., and the decision for these warships with France thinking really that France is independent from the US and NATO. It is not even independent to India who can influence it to what to sell or not to Pakistan, because of a big contract, meaning that France's independence is conditional to profit like a private corporation that can be bought and sold to the best buyer.or bidder.

 

[Penguin]

Why can't Russia build their own LHD?

China is building 40,000 ton type 075 LHD so why can't Russia build such warships?
What nonsense.

The fact that Russia has to import such weapons from Europe should be considered an insult to the Russian military-inustrial complex.

Stop importing weapons and start building it yourself.

Their yards have fallen behind due to lack of funding (including for naval projects). The Mistral project is one way of modernizing (hence 40% of the work at St Nazaire, France, by russians)

 

[DejanSRB]

ahhahaahah,it is shame to see an american @C130 how he dances around Chinese table and sing "Oh Russians are so inferior,they are only junior partner to great China,China will own half of Sibieria in next 24 hours....blah blah blah".

Mate you have inferior compex of Russians,all American post WW2 history is based on Russophobia,now you just want to use Chinese-Russian relations for your low satisfaction.

But it will not work.The only loser in Post Cold War world will be United "Please give me two dollars for breakfast" States of America.

I wish you was born in 30s in American economic boom,but you are unhappy guy,you will be a witness of American loss of superpower status,first your country will lose that holy grail of American history,then it will probably cease to exist even as great power.
Maybe not today,tommorow,next wednesday,but in 20-25 years definitely.

@ChineseTiger1986

Mate you're the most modest guy on all PDF.You just litterary destroy that murican guy.

You shown the basic principles of Chinese nation,and why Chinese is so succesfull from economics to sports.

 

[Hypersonicmissiles]

Not to mention spy bugs that are sophisticated and very hard to detect, can be left passive and remote actioned from time to time to get the JV ships and guess the movement of the Russian fleet in case of conflict. France in independent in words only, most of the EU countries share technologies with France and are members of NATO !?
Medvedev was ready to sell Russian sovereignty to get closer to the West, remember his decision not to fulfill the S-300 contract with Iran, just to please the US and NATO.

Medvedev is a total fool. You can tell he is an incompetent goof just by looking at his face. That is why Putin chose him to be a transition president. Putin needed a weak guy like Medvedev to carry out the transition. If Putin chose a strong and smart character, they would not go along with Putin's plan.

 

[atatwolf]

The Juan Carlos Class , indeed, is an attractive ship at reasonably priced, too. How many is the Turkish Navy looking to acquire, @Kaan ?

One I think.

 

[vostok]

Why can't Russia build their own LHD?

China is building 40,000 ton type 075 LHD so why can't Russia build such warships?
What nonsense.

The fact that Russia has to import such weapons from Europe should be considered an insult to the Russian military-inustrial complex.

Stop importing weapons and start building it yourself.

Military shipyard, on which Soviet aircraft carriers were built, after 1991 went to Ukraine.

 

[fallstuff]

Designed for Russia

Two problems complicate a proposed alternative plan to sell the ships instead to Nato, or a friendly government.

First, as half of the ships was built in Russia, Russia actually owns part of them already.

Second, the ships are designed for Arctic ports with ice-breaking reinforcement. There is no demand for that kind of ship outside of Russia.

Among the local people watching the Russian sailors, feelings are mixed.

"They're not going to use the ship to fight a war against France," says one woman. "So what's the problem?"

But for Jean-Paul Regent, a retired ship-builder, "It's a terribly difficult decision. We need the jobs and the investment. Building ships is what we do here.

"But for Putin's Russia? The destination makes us feel very uneasy. We are all in two minds about it all."

BBC News - Huge Russian warship fascinates French in Saint-Nazaire

 

[Hakan]

The Juan Carlos Class , indeed, is an attractive ship at reasonably priced, too. How many is the Turkish Navy looking to acquire, @Kaan ?

Its in the name bro only "Juan".

 

[Aepsilons]

Its in the name bro only "Juan".

Ha Ha Ha!

 

[Superboy]

The Mitsubishi F3 Fighter is expected to be a very capable fighter and we are confident of its ability to execute its duties against adversaries.
I am soundly confident of its ability to outperform the J-20 and the PAK-FA.

F-3 is a small light fighter having size and thrust class of Tejas, JF-17, Gripen. It is not meant to compete with big boys like F-15, Su-35, J-20, PAK-FA, F-22.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Why can't Russia build their own LHD?

China is building 40,000 ton type 075 LHD so why can't Russia build such warships?
What nonsense.

The fact that Russia has to import such weapons from Europe should be considered an insult to the Russian military-inustrial complex.

Stop importing weapons and start building it yourself.

Russia's surface vessel shipyard and all the related infrastructures were left in Ukraine after the dissolution of USSR.

Fortunately, the sub shipyard stayed in Russia, that's why Russia is still strong in sub.

Now Putin has to take back the shipyard in Ukraine in order to recover its AC building capability.

 

[Audio]

Russia warship delivery conditional on Ukraine ceasefire and political settlement, says France’s Hollande

Breaking - France 24

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

ahhahaahah,it is shame to see an american @C130 how he dances around Chinese table and sing "Oh Russians are so inferior,they are only junior partner to great China,China will own half of Sibieria in next 24 hours....blah blah blah".

Mate you have inferior compex of Russians,all American post WW2 history is based on Russophobia,now you just want to use Chinese-Russian relations for your low satisfaction.

But it will not work.The only loser in Post Cold War world will be United "Please give me two dollars for breakfast" States of America.

I wish you was born in 30s in American economic boom,but you are unhappy guy,you will be a witness of American loss of superpower status,first your country will lose that holy grail of American history,then it will probably cease to exist even as great power.
Maybe not today,tommorow,next wednesday,but in 20-25 years definitely.

@ChineseTiger1986

Mate you're the most modest guy on all PDF.You just litterary destroy that murican guy.

You shown the basic principles of Chinese nation,and why Chinese is so succesfull from economics to sports.

China treats Russia as an equal partner with great respect, maybe the other BRICS nations are junior partners, but Russia has to be granted with a leadership status along with China.

And we all know the US is now in panic, since now the conflict in Ukraine now turns into a proxy war between the US and Russia with China behind.

When Russia and China join in force, you can see that the western military threat and sanction have no effect to us at all.

 

[Aepsilons]

UPDATE

Russia's industry minister on Thursday said Moscow still expects France to provide it with two warships, despite a decision by Paris to hold off on delivery for now because of the Ukraine crisis.

Russian officials accused France of bowing to U.S. pressure by suspending delivery of the first of two Mistral helicopter carriers on Wednesday and questioned its reliability as a trade partner.

But Industry Minister Denis Manturov told Interfax news agency: "Russia assumes that the contract will be fulfilled according to the agreements."

French President Francois Hollande had for months resisted pressure from Washington and other allies to scrap the 1.2 billion euro ($1.58 billion) contract to deliver two Mistral helicopter carriers.

On the eve of a NATO summit, his office said on Wednesday France would hold off on delivery of the first warship. It accused Russia of actions in Ukraine which ran "against the foundations of security in Europe."

"Where are the times when Paris did not cave in to pressure from the United States, as, for example, over Iraq?" the Russian Foreign Ministry's deputy spokeswoman, Maria Zakharova, wrote on Facebook.

Under President Jacques Chirac, France, like Russia, opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq in 2003 that ended Saddam Hussein's rule.

Zakharova described France's decision over the warships as a disgrace and said it was just as well late French leader Charles de Gaulle had not witnessed it.

"France's reputation as a reliable partner that carries out its contractual obligations has been thrown into the furnace of American political ambitions," she wrote.

Moscow has sought to play down the impact of Hollande's decision, saying France would suffer a bigger economic blow than Russia.

"If the contract is unilaterally terminated, the money will definitely be returned to the Russian side and fines and penalties will be paid," Oleg Bochkaryov, deputy chairman of the government's Military-Industrial Commission, which helps oversee the defense industry, told Interfax.

He said France was likely to have problems finding a new buyer as the vessel was built according to Russia's requirements and with Russian equipment.

"If the contract is suspended, the French side's headache will be worse than ours," he said.

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