France - Pakistan , Avionics & possibly Plane deal revival, Post cancellation of MRCA

[Tps43]

RAFALES can be a good addition but the problem is price tag and also paf doesnt have enough money other than the funds from jf 17 project.

 

[Pulsar]

Pakistan should not only push for a high discount but also sign an unconditional agreement for the future..and also demand ToT!

Discounts from the French?? TOT?

What do you think India has been trying to get for the past many years? The French are out and out businessmen! Not like the Chinese who give you JFs at discounted rates, like buy three, get one free! The French will ring you out to dry. They'll squeeze every drop out of you! Times have changed. Forget what happened in the past.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

@AZADPAKISTAN2009

The JF 17 avionics deal was cancelled due to US pressure

 

[Wolf]

As per the first post of this thread, Rafale costs 50 million Euros which is roughly 100 million $ dollars. But Egyptians are bugying 24 Rafales for 6 billion $ which makes it 250 million $ a piece. Indians were buying 126 rafales for 12 billion dollars $ which makes it again around 100 million dollars $ a piece. On the other hand, indian member on this forum said, it will cost 9 billion dollars $ for 40 rafales to Pakistan. So what are we missing in all these deals regarding pricing of rafale.

Furthermore, what has been the performance of rafale in mock exercises against su-30mki, F 16s, F 35s etc.?

 

[fitpOsitive]

One minute silence for the poor French

bury hath cherh gaey yeh Frenchi bhi....

 

[Zain Malik]

RAFALE could potentially fly with Pakistan

Explain please.....

Well Thunder Block 4 , would be nice (None Export) version.
Some French weapons / Package for French (Thunder Block 4)

Also possibility of RAFALE could potentially fly with Pakistan would be a great prospect
Considering , we do have a technological and numerical gap to cover

It really seems Indians just wanted to Analyze various planes and their performance and collect data for their Teja Platform, the amount of Data they collected in 7 years , not only reduced the market value of other nation's planes but also allowed them to work on their own plane

Pakistan Approached France in 2006 for Rafale prospects, if we had started to get planes in 2006 by now we would have had reasonable 40-45 plane force , not to mention avionics package deal for Thunder

Considering we need 190-200 planes , the French - Pakistan , cooperation can help build on the existing partnership the two nations have enjoyed since past 70's

**Note Pakistan is officially largest Operator of French planes

Still so shiny like brand new

I have posted the same thread of procuring rafales for PAkistan but they banned me for 10 days......!!!!

 

[Zain Malik]

Rafale is a good opportunity for Pakistan.......The numbers don't matter just deal matters and the number of aircraft will gradually increase....Initially Pakistan should go for 24 rafales.......And gradually increase numbers with time.....

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

As per the first post of this thread, Rafale costs 50 million Euros which is roughly 100 million $ dollars. But Egyptians are bugying 24 Rafales for 6 billion $ which makes it 250 million $ a piece. Indians were buying 126 rafales for 12 billion dollars $ which makes it again around 100 million dollars $ a piece. On the other hand, indian member on this forum said, it will cost 9 billion dollars $ for 40 rafales to Pakistan. So what are we missing in all these deals regarding pricing of rafale.

Furthermore, what has been the performance of rafale in mock exercises against su-30mki, F 16s, F 35s etc.?

Kick backs

If Rafales do come then they would be around 200+ with TOT and local production. This would reduce the overall price as it would make them overcome the issue of break even. Even PAF would be looking for other platforms from the French like Aerial refueling aircraft like the A330. Even the military transport aircraft could supplement the C130's. So what the French are looking at is a deal that would increase far beyond what the Indian deal if it goes through.

 

[syed_yusuf]

rafal is good platform and would serve PAF for long but only if bought in numbers. this fighter will fill in the gap of 4.5+ gen in PAF or any other airforce

but then again, china is also offering FC-20P that j-10C, a pretty close contender.

so what is in it for Pakistan and PAF to go for this platform and by the way PAF is eyeing rafal-5. not plain vanilla rafal.

the question is can PAf afford a 15 billion usd deal (just an estimation) for lets say 6 full squadrons over next 10 years.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Well French had good pacts with us for while , Pakistan is good customer & French are great to provide what we need it just comes down to better match

Also it would be nice to thank the french for the Mirage plane decade ago and also Agosta
100% sense

We are a old dependable customer from past and that makes big difference

Ab Baniye ke peeche bhag rahe the , baniye ne to , kaam dekhana tha "Baniya pun".
Das sal tak rondh dala , "10 " sal. Real start 16 sal pehle howa tha

- ab plane turn ker ke dekhao
- right turn bhi left jeisa hai- kiya ?
- ok kitni speed hai? Oh no , hanger main parked hai I get it never mind
- meri biwi ko fly ker saktha hai -kiya?
- Cassette player or CD player installed ? or extra option
- Acha , abe main barfa dalonga , engine start karo. You know Himaleya simultion test
- Ye plane ka hood kholo , flight main to nahi khulta ?
- Engine blue print dekiyo , jara , closer look ke liye or else deal cancelled
- Ye button kiya kerta hai ? Oh Eject seat button hai good to know
- Ye plane ko Tom cruise mode main dalo , cruise mode you kno
- Ignition key turn karo , plane computer system bhatrat mata kehta hai ya nahi?

- Das sal main Technology idea copy ker liye Teja ke liye

Thori chori Sweeden se , thori chori French se

intellectural property bhi koi cheez hoti hai


2005-2007 Bada shoor machaya tha

Nikla Chuha !

 

[jupiter2007]

Didn't Russia offer 36 Su-35?

What about getting 18 Su-35?






I like this one....

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

The thread is for "French" plane / avionics kindly

 

[salarsikander]

Well French had good pacts with us for while , Pakistan is good customer & French are great to provide what we need it just comes down to better match

Also it would be nice to thank the french for the Mirage plane decade ago and also Agosta
100% sense

We are a old dependable customer from past and that makes big difference

Ab Baniye ke peeche bhag rahe the , baniye ne to , kaam dekhana tha "Baniya pun".
Das sal tak rondh dala , "10 " sal. Real start 16 sal pehle howa tha

- ab plane turn ker ke dekhao
- right turn bhi left jeisa hai- kiya ?
- ok kitni speed hai? Oh no , hanger main parked hai I get it never mind
- meri biwi ko fly ker saktha hai -kiya?
- Cassette player or CD player installed ? or extra option
- Acha , abe main barfa dalonga , engine start karo. You know Himaleya simultion test
- Ye plane ka hood kholo , flight main to nahi khulta ?
- Engine blue print dekiyo , jara , closer look ke liye or else deal cancelled
- Ye button kiya kerta hai ? Oh Eject seat button hai good to know
- Ye plane ko Tom cruise mode main dalo , cruise mode you kno
- Ignition key turn karo , plane computer system bhatrat mata kehta hai ya nahi?

- Das sal main Technology idea copy ker liye Teja ke liye

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Thori chori Sweeden se , thori chori French se

intellectural property bhi koi cheez hoti hai


2005-2007 Bada shoor machaya tha

Nikla Chuha !

Hi,

OH goodness gracious ! Where are the original designer then ( France, Swedes) why havent they realized it ?

You should immediately write them an email as wake up call, they've been sleeping for a while now, dont you think?

 

[wiseone2]

As per the first post of this thread, Rafale costs 50 million Euros which is roughly 100 million $ dollars. But Egyptians are bugying 24 Rafales for 6 billion $ which makes it 250 million $ a piece. Indians were buying 126 rafales for 12 billion dollars $ which makes it again around 100 million dollars $ a piece. On the other hand, indian member on this forum said, it will cost 9 billion dollars $ for 40 rafales to Pakistan. So what are we missing in all these deals regarding pricing of rafale.

Furthermore, what has been the performance of rafale in mock exercises against su-30mki, F 16s, F 35s etc.?

The initial quote for $10 billion for 126 aircraft. Now the GOI was negotiating 36 aircraft for $9 billion

 

[Kompromat]

French have washed their hands completely off Pakistani aviation market. I will be surprised if Pakistan makes a big ticket purchase from France even in the distant future.