France fires late word of warning to Brits over Brexit

[waz]

http://ukandeu.ac.uk/would-leaving-the-eu-reduce-immigration-to-the-uk/

Most wouldn't qualify for a skilled visa and the non-skilled will be outright refused. That will cut numbers. She cites Swiss, and we all know huge opposition they have to freedom of movement and they are currently locked in a argument with Brussels over it. Even if we allowed freedom of movement, access to state welfare would be cut, which would make settlement harder for them.

 

[Mysticbuddy]

Even the title of your video says otherwise... lol.



We are deeply attached to the freedom of movement within the EU,and I don't want to see walls everywhere....
The thing we should do is to protect our exterior borders and to ensure that no illegal migrants are entering our territory.... now it's time for countries like Italy to send the boat people back instead of picking them off the libyan coasts...
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Anyway for the moment,the migrants trying to enter the french territory from Italy are being sent back by the Gendarmerie as there are now border controls thanks for the 13/11 attacks and the current euro event. They are stuck at Vintimille (italian city).



This '£350 million a week' figure is total BS and has been proved to be wrong many times.

Yes that number might be wrong it's 16 billion as membership fee. on top of the same they pay more for the military and let monetary losses for the unemployment of its own people.

 

[Vergennes]

@waz @flamer84 @Steve781

 

[bobo6661]

@bobo6661 @flamer84 @Proudpakistaniguy
They didn't like poles and romanians ? They are going to l-o-v-e sudanese and somalians !

Start selling them boats like Turkey does

 

[Steve781]

Start selling them boats like Turkey does

A few thousand in Calais is a much smaller worry than the hundreds of thousands in Germany, Sweden, Austria, Italy and Hungary who could soon get EU passports.

 

[mike2000 is back]

The Brits have been ney sayers from the get go.They must leave if Europe should achieve its potential as a pole of power in this world.With the UK in ,the US will always object to closer integration such an EU Army,etc.

Ofcourse there is always the risk that some Western powers such as France or Germany could abandon EE to Russia,but,in the end we can't count on the US being here forever and if countries like France are not wise enough to keep the EU together and transform it into a player of his own on the world stage,they will not only doom us but them also.

I for one,a simple citizen,am willing to play the European card,but hopefully not with Tusk,Merkel,Juncker,Hollande at the helm in the coming future.Let's wait and see...

WTH are you people on about a fantasy European army?lool
You said if we and the U.S got out of Europe then europe and NATO will achieve its real potential as a pole of power in this world?? WTH?? What do you think NATO will be without U.S and Britain?? Jheez some people just say things ou of emotion. lol
You eastern european/Baltic states should be the ones praying we should not vote to leave, since if one day Putin gets mad and decide to pull a Georgia or Ukraine on you, then who do you think will help your country?? France/Germany?? Dont make me laugh.lol They might instead even side with Russia as they also have important trade agreements with Russia. Yes its still the good old U.S and U.K who will be there to help as usual.

European countries as it stands dont even spend enough on their own defence forget about making the E.U army a so called power pole or whatever that means. Lol At present how many European countries(outside Britain) take their defence serious enough to spend the necessary amount needed to protect European interests worldwide and contribute? Only 1 that is FRANCE. Germany doesn't eveb want to hear about anything military.lol plus if we leave be ready for Germany to lecture you people even more on how many middle eastern migrants you have to host, good luck with that.

 

[bobo6661]

A few thousand in Calais is a much smaller worry than the hundreds of thousands in Germany, Sweden, Austria, Italy and Hungary who could soon get EU passports.

If they get them you will get them to...

You eastern european/Baltic states should be the ones praying we should not vote to leave, since if one day Putin gets mad and decide to pull a Georgia or Ukraine on you, then who do you think will help your country?? France/Germany?? Dont make me laugh.lol They might instead even side with Russia as they also have important trade agreements with Russia. Yes its still the good old U.S and U.K who will be there to help as usual.

Dont worry we dont count on UK ... We got a lesson after WW2 ...

 

[SMS Derfflinger]

Germany doesn't eveb want to hear about anything military.lol plus if we leave be ready for Germany to lecture you people even more on how many middle eastern migrants you have to host, good luck with that.

Thanks, we will.

 

[Vergennes]

WTH are you people on about a fantasy European army?lool
You said if we and the U.S got out of Europe then europe and NATO will achieve its real potential as a pole of power in this world?? WTH?? What do you think NATO will be without U.S and Britain?? Jheez some people just say things ou of emotion. lol
You eastern european/Baltic states should be the ones praying we should not vote to leave, since if one day Putin gets mad and decide to pull a Georgia or Ukraine on you, then who do you think will help your country?? France/Germany?? Dont make me laugh.lol They might instead even side with Russia as they also have important trade agreements with Russia. Yes its still the good old U.S and U.K who will be there to help as usual.

European countries as it stands dont even spend enough on their own defence forget about making the E.U army a so called power pole or whatever that means. Lol At present how many European countries(outside Britain) take their defence serious enough to spend the necessary amount needed to protect European interests worldwide and contribute? Only 1 that is FRANCE. Germany doesn't eveb want to hear about anything military.lol plus if we leave be ready for Germany to lecture you people even more on how many middle eastern migrants you have to host, good luck with that.

Not that I want to destroy your dreams but....

Defence sham: Britain’s commitment to spend 2% on defence is an ‘accountancy trick’

THE UK will be able to keep to its commitment to spend two per cent of its national income on defence only because of accountancy tricks, it was claimed today.

Chancellor George Osborne has made "significant changes" to the way Britain calculates its military budget to reach the NATO target, according to a Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) report.

For the first time the budget now will take into account war pensions, contributions to the UN peacekeeping missions, payouts to retired civil servants and Ministry of Defence income.

But Professor Malcolm Chalmers, director of UK defence policy at the defence and security think thank RUSI, said the new spending definition could undermine the credibility of Nato's target.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/59...ing-Nato-2-per-cent-Chancellor-George-Obsorne

Look at this genius.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

[video]

European Commission Jean-Claude Juncker repeated Brussels’ warning a Brexit vote will not extract greater concessions from the EU in a bid to keep Britain in the bloc.

The unelected official told reporters in Brussels: “The British policy makers and the British voters have to know that there will not be any kind of renegotiation.

"We have concluded a deal with the prime minister, he got the maximum he could receive, we gave the maximum we could give.

“So there will be no renegotiation, not on the agreement we found in February, nor as far as any kind of treaty negotiations are concerned.

“Out is out.”

 

[sims1729]

I think the terror strikes in paris and orlando coupled with ISIS are going to become major factors which will make the final result very close...fear is very powerful emotion which can make one do irrational things at times and this exit is far from completely irrational....Immigration(security) might 'trump' economy(financial)

 

[mike2000 is back]

Not that I want to destroy your dreams but....

Defence sham: Britain’s commitment to spend 2% on defence is an ‘accountancy trick’

THE UK will be able to keep to its commitment to spend two per cent of its national income on defence only because of accountancy tricks, it was claimed today.

Chancellor George Osborne has made "significant changes" to the way Britain calculates its military budget to reach the NATO target, according to a Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) report.

For the first time the budget now will take into account war pensions, contributions to the UN peacekeeping missions, payouts to retired civil servants and Ministry of Defence income.

But Professor Malcolm Chalmers, director of UK defence policy at the defence and security think thank RUSI, said the new spending definition could undermine the credibility of Nato's target.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/59...ing-Nato-2-per-cent-Chancellor-George-Obsorne

Look at this genius.

You still came up.with this same inaccurate article like last time, even though we already debated about this and this has already been rebuked as being false. Lool .
We still spend by far the largest amount on our military out of any country in Europe. THAT IS A FACT.

 

[Vergennes]

You still came up.with this same inaccurate article like last time, even though we already debated about this and this has already been rebuked as being false. Lool .
We still spend by far the largest amount on our military out of any country in Europe. THAT IS A FACT.

Last time I posted this article in this section,you didn't debate with me about this nor rebuked it.

https://defence.pk/threads/revealed...ling-short-on-military-spending.427186/page-2

This report (and claim) was made by the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) and not by some backward 'secret sources'.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Last time I posted this article in this section,you didn't debate with me about this nor rebuked it.

https://defence.pk/threads/revealed...ling-short-on-military-spending.427186/page-2

This report (and claim) was made by the Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) and not by some backward 'secret sources'.

You can believe what you want to believe or whatever institute says, but I take our official government figures more credibly. Some institutes will also say your own government figures are wrong if we are to start discarding official government portals/sites. Lol

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/defence-budget-increases-for-the-first-time-in-six-years

Moreover, the notion that what the EU lacks is an army is misguided, since what an increasingly disarmed Europe is actually short on is the will to defend itself, as demonstrated by deficits in spending and thinking seriously on defense. What EU countries lack is political will and seriousness about defense matters, not a common army. Since the EU cannot manage to assemble a coherent foreign policy on any matter of substance, one wonders what an all-European defense ministry in Brussels would actually do.EVEN the Russians will laugh at this farce.

In fact, Just how bad things have gotten across the EU in military affairs has been laid bare by the Ukraine crisis. A decade ago, the EU began assembling so called multinational battlegroups of between one and two thousand troops to be deployed in the event of crises but, despite no lack of crises lately, no battlegroups have been deployed anywhere, so low is the EU’s confidence in their flagship defense program.

I do agree that Certainly, developing common defense initiatives to save money on research and development and acquisition programs is commendable, but this is already happening and does not require a European Army. Most big-ticket items being purchased by EU militaries are already pan-European projects. A dozen European armies use the German Leopard 2 battle tank, while most leading EU air forces fly the British led Eurofighter Typhoon, plus we and France have many other joint projects we are working on.

Moreover, creating a European Army, with national units no larger than battalions, does not guarantee any more coherent defense or security policy. National frictions will endure, no matter how Europe organizes defense. Here history is instructive. Multinational militaries are fragile things by nature, and require delicate political handling, not to mention that common threat pictures can be hard to come by.

So to me and most brits, creating a European Army is a bad idea that would waste scarce EU defense cash on lavish headquarters and well-catered meetings, which are Brussels real acumen.

 

[Vassnti]

Just the headline the exit camp needs, nothing a Pom likes more than being told what to do by a frog