France declares April 24 "Day of Remembrance for Armenian Genocide'

[urienreghed]

Forgot they are having a pancake fest in Yemen..my bad..

Israel sadly support KSA so don't be surprised he denies this one.

 

[Ceylal]

countries are independant for a very long time now. there is no such tax.

That statement is not true, a lot of ex French colonies in Africa still pay a royalty to the French Government to the tune of $400 Billions per year..Majority of the Presidents of those ex colonies are French chosen , protected , dismissed or sent to the international court of The Hague , if they dare to rebel against France.

 

[DavidSling]

Forgot they are having a pancake fest in Yemen..my bad..

Israel sadly support KSA so don't be surprised he denies this one.

How many casualties has the Yemen conflict taken so far? People in this forum throw this word "genocide" without even know what it means

[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Usually it means EXTERMINATION of a certain race of people, and the result would be a massive lose of life, that would either harm or exterminate the group.
Is that the situation in Yemen? I think not

 

[Ceylal]

you know what you Pakistanis did a good job i hate those bengalis I hate all of those Hindus better kill all of them they are just human waste on earth who are not developing but spreading like parasites

 

[urienreghed]

How many casualties has the Yemen conflict taken so far? People in this forum throw this word "genocide" without even know what it means

[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Usually it means EXTERMINATION of a certain race of people, and the result would be a massive lose of life, that would either harm or exterminate the group.
Is that the situation in Yemen? I think not

I understand then your point of view.
But ok let's call it big massacre.
They by aim bomb the schools, the hospitals , they support even AQ there against the population
Of course it is not the level of the worst genocide you're right but still in the modern times now it is the worst part of the world right now. And KSA is the major responsabile for this

 

[Ceylal]

How many casualties has the Yemen conflict taken so far? People in this forum throw this word "genocide" without even know what it means

[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

1. Killing members of the group;
2. Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
3. Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
4. Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
5. Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group

Usually it means EXTERMINATION of a certain race of people, and the result would be a massive lose of life, that would either harm or exterminate the group.
Is that the situation in Yemen? I think not

And please tell us, why the word genocide applies only to the Jewish people? 6 millions Jews were slaughtered by Européens, in meantime 20,000,000 Russians met the same fate and many countries lived the same from the same countries..What Israel is doing to the Palestinian is pure and simple a genocide..
Since Israel opened the Saudi ball in Yemen, of course, we expect an Israeli denial...

You should read about french conquest of Algeria where french killed almost 850000 almost 15% of algerian population.

And i guess setting aside a remembrance day for a armenia just to spite turkey isnt hatred at all

Algerian deaths had many forms but surpasses the 12 millions threshold during the 132 years of French occupation.

i already said about Algeria . and yes the massacre in algeria is a shame in our history
you know why France wasn't ready till now? because of the bombings in France by Algerians
but i guess in a few years it will exist this sorry from France especially more and more politics say directly that France acted badly in Algeria

and if you are interested for more "fresh" history of France in Algeria (well more than 50 years ago still)
i suggest to read for exemple the book from yasmina khadra "ce que le jour doit à la nuit"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Day_Owes_the_Night

Ce que le jour dit à la nuit..is not a war book, it’s merely a fiction..Other well known historians wrote about the war ..

 

[DavidSling]

And please tell us, why the word genocide applies only to the Jewish people? 6 millions Jews were slaughtered by Européens, in meantime 20,000,000 Russians met the same fate and many countries lived the same from the same countries..What Israel is doing to the Palestinian is pure and simple a genocide..
Since Israel opened the Saudi ball in Yemen, of course, we expect an Israeli denial...


Algerian deaths had many forms but surpasses the 12 millions threshold during the 132 years of French occupation.

Nazis had intent to kill all the jews , and acted accordindly, killing 6 million of them is a large part of the group and therefor counts as a genocide.
Israel killed around 50--k Palestinians in 70++ Years, while having around 4Million Palestinians living either inside Israel or on the west bank/Gaza strip.
If Israel had the intent to Genocide those Palestinians (It certainly has the means) the numbers would be much higher.

Another point is that you throwing your opinion "What Israel is doing to the Palestinian is pure and simple a genocide.." does not sit well with the definition of Genocide, and showcase your need to troll and spread nosense around the forum

Also, Genocide does not apply only to jews, but to every case which fills the conditions of the definition

A more elaborate explanation would be:

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As for the first issue, it is not clear that the amount of Palestinian unnatural deaths is significant nor that these deaths represent the targeting of individuals for murder on account of their “Palestinian-ness”. Furthermore, it is unclear (although somewhat less so) as to whether or not the Israeli government represents a different ethnic group from the Palestinians. Let’s go through the individual claims.

• To the argument of “inordinate numbers”, the amount of Palestinians who have died as a result of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict have not been much higher (in proportion) than what we would expect from similar ethnic conflicts. We see the same sort of uneven casualties in the Lebanese Civil War and this is also not considered a genocide. In no situation is the death of numerous civilians desirable, but genocide is a very serious crime and the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, like those conflicts does not reach that level of crime.
• To the argument of “targeting Palestinian-ness”, this is directly refuted by the fact that 19% of Israelis actively identify as Palestinian Arabs and have voted for Palestinian Arabs to represent them in the Israeli Parliament. From time to time, these Arabs have actually advocated for the end or illegitimacy of the Israeli State and have not been tortured, beaten, or attacked for these seditious views. Unlike Iran, which has a mandatory Jewish representative in the Majlis who cannot dissent from policies he does not agree with, the Palestinian citizens of Israel can and openly do dissent from Israeli policies that they do not agree with and are not subject to violence, repression, or even the threats of violence or repression. This would seem to indicate that merely being Palestinian is insufficient to be on the other end of an Israeli gun.
• To the argument of Israel being “non-Palestinian”, this is a more controversial argument, but Israel does have in its armed forced numerous Arab contingents, made up of Druze Israelis and Bedouin Israelis. As a result, Israel's armed forces do not necessarily consist of a monolithic Jewish ethnic group. However, this argument is both awkward to make and would excise the Armenian genocide from being a genocide since Kurds assisted the Turks in performing that genocide, so this argument of the Israeli government being sufficiently different from Palestinian interest should be conceded.

Even though 2 out of the 3 "moving parts" of the first part of the genocide definition can be strongly argued against, for the sake of argument, I will concede that there have been a significant amount of unnatural Palestinian deaths at Israeli hands to discuss the second half of the definition.

As for the second issue, it is almost impossible to seriously claim that the Palestinians who are being killed are being killed in systematic or engineered way. Furthermore, there is no evidence to claim that the intent of this is to vastly minimize or eliminate the Palestinian population.

• To the argument of Israel systematically killing Palestinians, there is scant evidence of this. Palestinians are not being rounded up, collected, and then disposed of. In the Armenian genocide, Turkish soldiers arrested and murdered Armenian intellectuals and then proceeded to march the Armenian population off of their lands until they dehydrated or starved. In this way, we have a planned and systematic attempt to remove the Armenians. The Jews and other minorities persecuted in the Holocaust were rounded up and forced into areas of closed containment, like ghettos or concentration camps. The concentration camps were actual constructed facilities designed for the sole purpose of mass murder and in which mass murder undoubtedly occurred. The Palestinians, whether they fled by force or by choice, were not pursued by Israeli soldiers until they would die of dehydration or starvation nor has any facility been built in Israel or the Occupied Territories to facilitate the murder of Palestinians. Individual incidents, like Deir Yassin, are not representative of the general Israeli military policy and the best proof of this was how quickly the Irgun was disbanded after the events of Deir Yassin by the Israeli leadership, indicating disapproval with this tactic.
• To the argument of Israel attempting to minimize the Palestinian population, Palestinian demographics show a very different story. The Palestinian population has increased annually without pause in every major Palestinian area (including the West Bank and the Gaza Strip). If Israel were seriously intending to remove the Palestinian population, they must be extraordinarily ineffective. Since most people would agree that the Israeli military is far more powerful in the Occupied Territories than any Palestinian militant group, this means that if there is an intent at the higher echelons of command, it is not followed, or, more likely, there is no such intent.

While I have noted (in this and other answers) that Israeli actions are far from laudable as concerns the Palestinians, genocide is simply too strong a term and refers to too distinct of a crime to be applicable.

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[Ceylal]

Another point is that you throwing your opinion "What Israel is doing to the Palestinian is pure and simple a genocide.." does not sit well with the definition of Genocide, and showcase your need to troll and spread nosense around the forum

There is definition and Israel definition..
You kill Palestinian while the cameras are turning, whiteout any reason, you destroy their houses, you sterilisetheir women during their incarcerations, you destroy their crop, you emprisonné their children as young as 5years old..Even the zGermsns and the French That were corralling you parents to Nazi train haven’t done that..Yet , we are in the 21st century and you are still doing it ...And you know, it was the parents of those Muslims that saved you tribe from a complete annihilation, by sheltering and providing new identities to your people.

Also, Genocide does not apply only to jews, but to every case which fills the conditions of the definition

So far it does apply only to the Jewish people..You have succeeded in using it as a tool of blackmail, where all Europeen , guilty of association with the Nazi, pay your state dues....and genocide apply only to you, you created the term, the condition and the payback!

 

[Timur]

600.000 French people having Armenian roots.

we live in 2018 we should have about 900.000 turkish ppl in france.. but armenians are christians and of indoeuropean origin.. so the similarities for armenians are higher..

Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...ung-fuer-aethiopische-juedinnen-a-880285.html


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Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent

• Alistair Dawber @AlistairDawber
• Sunday 27 January 2013 18:51

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...opian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

 

[DavidSling]

There is definition and Israel definition..
You kill Palestinian while the cameras are turning, whiteout any reason, you destroy their houses, you sterilisetheir women during their incarcerations, you destroy their crop, you emprisonné their children as young as 5years old..Even the zGermsns and the French That were corralling you parents to Nazi train haven’t done that..Yet , we are in the 21st century and you are still doing it ...And you know, it was the parents of those Muslims that saved you tribe from a complete annihilation, by sheltering and providing new identities to your people.


So far it does apply only to the Jewish people..You have succeeded in using it as a tool of blackmail, where all Europeen , guilty of association with the Nazi, pay your state dues....and genocide apply only to you, you created the term, the condition and the payback!

I guess nothing I'll say will stop your false accusations, go ahead and throw accusation without even know what they mean.
Didn't even expect more than that

 

[urienreghed]

Ce que le jour dit à la nuit..is not a war book, it’s merely a fiction..Other well known historians wrote about the war ..

Dear Ceylal i know . I know some books about it. But what i like in the movie and the book it is showing a good point of view from life of French people and their way to see things in that time. furthermore since it is very well written , it is a good book to have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Algeria

By 1875, the French conquest was complete. The war had killed approximately 825,000 indigenous Algerians since 1830. A long shadow of genocidal hatred persisted, provoking a French author to protest in 1882 that in Algeria, "we hear it repeated every day that we must expel the native and if necessary destroy him." As a French statistical journal urged five years late, "the system of extermination must give way to a policy of penetration."
-Ben Kiernan, Blood and Soil

 

[DavidSling]

we live in 2018 we should have about 900.000 turkish ppl in france.. but armenians are christians and of indoeuropean origin.. so the similarities for armenians are higher..



http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...ung-fuer-aethiopische-juedinnen-a-880285.html


News > World > Middle East
Israel gave birth control to Ethiopian Jews without their consent

• Alistair Dawber @AlistairDawber
• Sunday 27 January 2013 18:51

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...opian-jews-without-their-consent-8468800.html

So giving birth control is count as a genocide?
You are pathetic.
Maybe you should've given the kurds and the algerians birth control instead of commiting genocide

 

[urienreghed]

we live in 2018 we should have about 900.000 turkish ppl in france.. but armenians are christians and of indoeuropean origin.. so the similarities for armenians are higher..

it is not matter of being "indo european" stuff . Nobody cares. Armenians are there for a longer time and then generations passed: now they are in politics, important companies . In a few years or a decade you'll have the same with Turks. I know in my field of work one boss of a company who is Turk by the way.
Integration takes time . But yes i am quite surprised they are so many Turks i didn't expect so many. impressive.

 

[Ceylal]

Dear Ceylal i know . I know some books about it. But what i like in the movie and the book it is showing a good point of view from life of French people and their way to see things in that time. furthermore since it is very well written , it is a good book to have

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Algeria

Wikipedia is not a reference...and indeed the book was well written..but the movie didn’t do justice to the book narratives..

So giving birth control is count as a genocide?
You are pathetic.
Maybe you should've given the kurds and the algerians birth control instead of commiting genocide

You have comprehension problem pal...sterelising is a way different from giving birth control pills..

 

[DavidSling]

Wikipedia is not a reference...and indeed the book was well written..but the movie didn’t do justice to the book narratives..


You have comprehension problem pal...sterelising is a way different from giving birth control pills.. pathetic? **** u subhuman!

Can't keep from using curses ah, I guess the pathetic one would be urself resorting to such lengths