France and Germany Plan New 5th Generation Fighter, is it an Opportunity for India?

[Blue Marlin]

I think French are skipping one gen and are directly going to 6th gen fighters. French say Rafale is as good as any 5th gen fighter.

correct this was evidant over 20 years ago when they did not persue a 5th gen project. the typhoon and the rafale are "as good" as you can get in regards to the 4th gen aircraft and soon the f18 are going in for an update too.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

I do not think India-Pakistan angle is big a influencer but as @Excalibørk pointed out the pan-European angle is huge.

I did not say she's wrong. I tried to explain how Germans would react to an Indian offer regarding this project.

 

[Super Falcon]

What 2030 is far we might get it in 2022

and if European are building we saw EF 2000 Program started in 1983 and now it's breaking they take too much time to build jets and they are out of range and heavy on pocket to maintain

 

[SingaporeGuy]

Best option for India in my opinion we can't stay behind for too long as China and Pakistan will b Fielding 5th generation aircraft by 2030 or early

Hahahah..china already has j-20 and j-31

now its 6th gen unmanned fighter but apparently even after the tejas, india cannot seem to rely on itself.

But of course ignoring the fact that tejas contains all foreign avionics and systems...

 

[dani191]

This aircraft doesn't even exist yet and you're already talking about feasibility of tech transfer agreements? Slow down there.

Germany and France initiated this agreement to lessen their reliance on outside technologies, be they from Israel, the US, South Korea or elsewhere and to improve Euro-cooperation and R&D, not to mention to standardize equipment across the continent with missile, tanker, cargo, uav, mpa, and other programs also in the works as pan-European projects. These programs were designed to have input and funding from European countries, not those outside of Europe, India included.

Wait until the agreements bear fruit and remember, these are being designed to fulfill European requirements, such as replacing the Typhoon, Rafale and Tornado, adding a third party like India or Israel would change the requirements and go against the entire thought process behind this joint development program. Part of what's held up the FGFA has been differences between Russian and Indian requirements and that's a risk France and Germany already have between themselves, but would be magnified by adding another nation such as India.

Like with Meteor, once it bears fruit you may have an opportunity as an export destination, but joining the development is likely a non-starter just based on the criteria surrounding the development of the equipment these programs are designed to create.

what tech we can give them when we biuld plane latley

 

[maximuswarrior]

This aircraft doesn't even exist yet and you're already talking about feasibility of tech transfer agreements? Slow down there.

Germany and France initiated this agreement to lessen their reliance on outside technologies, be they from Israel, the US, South Korea or elsewhere and to improve Euro-cooperation and R&D, not to mention to standardize equipment across the continent with missile, tanker, cargo, uav, mpa, and other programs also in the works as pan-European projects. These programs were designed to have input and funding from European countries, not those outside of Europe, India included.

Wait until the agreements bear fruit and remember, these are being designed to fulfill European requirements, such as replacing the Typhoon, Rafale and Tornado, adding a third party like India or Israel would change the requirements and go against the entire thought process behind this joint development program. Part of what's held up the FGFA has been differences between Russian and Indian requirements and that's a risk France and Germany already have between themselves, but would be magnified by adding another nation such as India.

Like with Meteor, once it bears fruit you may have an opportunity as an export destination, but joining the development is likely a non-starter just based on the criteria surrounding the development of the equipment these programs are designed to create.

Didn't you know? This fighter is already flying in India before it even hit the production assembly?

 

[Dai Toruko]

A BOY OF INDIA
In search of lost 5th Generation Fighter
Soon in the cinema

 

[SingaporeGuy]

A BOY OF INDIA
In search of lost 5th Generation Fighter
Soon in the cinema

HAHAHAHAHAAH

 

[satishkumarcsc]

It is not the airframe design or the avionics that matter here. We need engine technology. It must be a 3rd gen Turbofan with Variable cycle. Cant have a leaky engine like the RD 33 or the GE 404.

Above all a proper project management.

 

[c.t.ramesh]

I didn't understand why india go always go to foreign vendor defence equipment .i think india has no scientist this main problem of defence strategy please new and youngsters person appointment is best than improve strategy reduce purchase from foreign country .my dream only india self reliance 100% achievement is my goal of each indian citizen thought same but govt what ever but same policy's followed please change your policy reduce import item increase self reliance equipment. Only i will appreciate both china and pakistan is used self reliance success on the 21th century maximum pak buy only china and second vendors Turkey other wise self reliance is 67 %achived than pakistan compare to india 43% only achievement .some indigenous product MLRS , ALKALID TANK , SMALL GLIDER , JF17 ONLY 7 YEAR maximum time take .but INDIA TAKE 35YEAR 3 TH GENERATION FIGHTER JET LIKE TEJAS , ARJUN TANK PROJECT TAKEN YEAR 55 YEAR I THINK START 1967 , MLRS TAKE TIME 25 YEAR , PLEASE CHANGE THIS SYSTEM MINIMUM TIME FIVE YEAR MAXIMUM TAKEN TIME 7 YEAR OTHER WISE WASTE OF THE PROJECT BECAUSE HE HAS OUT DATED .india not realize for foreign product is erase our own thought and idea but only one say write are wrong use only indian produced because useful improve technology next time better than that system this only build up indigenous other go to British need down again . please think YOUR self why are get freedom passed on70 year but what use . please think each indian citizen ship didn't purchase foreign product .also shought over govt we need good education system and hospital ,roads , change railway fare only increase couch build in 60 technology still run is shame on india this area sector. Tax rate reduce to 7 to 12 % improve our this rate is issue taxable person 70 % large than now days only 14 %only tax paid community because over tax india any others south Asian nation four type of its 5% 2.5 lacs above that mean just 4000 USD 5% 5 lacs above 10% tax 10 lacs above 20% 20 lakhs to 1 million rupees 30 +10% is correct method totally wrong system only one tax fixes is better my opinion only 10 to 12 % is limited better improve tax community also reduce black money improve our country strategy other wise go for fall down . income tax department think this idea better for indian economy .see our neighborhood country tax lower than any other south Asian countries .china is better teacher tax sector . please indian politican understand enemy's or friends doesn't matter what we learn that is important good think you captured implement follow that root is good for strategy improve our country economy also wealth is improved .one think friends doesn't teach some good tricks idea your welfare only enemy's are teach better lesson what side you weak and strange thinks clearly spilled out. So that area constraints you success in glory of world .so always stay for enemy area is best improve your knowledge friends and relatives only feeling only viability but no uses ideas told because all are selfish .but our enemy only told your weakness so he is one of best partner . then improve your weakness point is avoid that path then we only after get success is prime long life. Once again thank for pakistan and china he is teach that indian weakness point so better improve our country strategy future. Jai hind.

 

[dani191]

France and Germany Plan New 5th Generation Fighter, is it an Opportunity for India? Published July 14, 2017 SOURCE: Anand SG / FOR MY TAKE / IDRW.ORG France and Germany have announced their intention to work together to develop a new advanced “European” 5th Generation fighter jet which will be the successor to the France’s Dassault Rafales and Germany’s Eurofighter Typhoons. France and German are planning to come up with a Road Map by Mid of 2018. European fighter jet is still in infancy and a clean slate program which India has been looking for long to help its workforce get enough experience in design and development of advanced 5th generation fighter jet so that it can be helpful to develop its own 5th generation AMCA fighter aircraft. Lack of Progress on Indo-Russian proposed FGFA 5th Generation fighter jet suggests that difference between two over work share agreements, price and transfer of technology has not lead to any breakthrough even after both concluded a design agreements Nearly Seven Years ago. Since France and Germany are yet to work out basic requirements for development of new European fighter jet it can be predicted somewhat that new fighter jet will be Twin-engined Medium Class Stealth Fighter jet designed for Air-Superiority and Strike Missions just like the predecessor they will be replacing. France and Germany both have the technology required to develop this new jet and it is expected the new jet will enter production by 2030 and will have continued production line even beyond 2040. While Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale are still getting export orders and technologically are still relevant but growing export orders of American F-35 5th Generation fighter jet will soon lead to sharp fall in its price due to a streamlined production line leading to prospective future customers moving away from 4.5++ Generation fighters like Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale in long run since both are still 80’s designed fighter jets which cannot incorporate Stealth in any future variants . For India, it could be a win-win situation if a deal for FGFA with Russia is scrapped ultimately and India is able to stay away from American temptation called F-35. If India is able to become third partner country in the project it will bring in required R&D investment money and also come with committed number of fighter jet order. Since the Project is a Clean Slate development of a 5th Generation fighter jet, India can add its required inputs and requirements and will also be able to contribute its own technology for the project and vice versa also receive transfer of technology and along with ownership status to profit from any future export.

idrw.org .Read more at India No 1 Defence News Website http://idrw.org/france-and-germany-plan-new-5th-generation-fighter-is-it-an-opportunity-for-india/ .

I did not say she's wrong. I tried to explain how Germans would react to an Indian offer regarding this project.

no they dont care about pakistan just india can contribute so much to the project she dont have the experince of biulding fighters