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Four Ways Pakistan Can Shoot Drones

Posted by Express Pakistan on May 1st, 2011

Drone attacks are a major cause of inflaming anti-American fury in the Pakistani nation. Relations between Islamabad and Washington have strained in few recent months due to rising number of drone attacks and innocent civilian casualties caused by them. Pakistan has repeatedly protested these attacks as they are an infringement of its sovereignty and because civilian fatalities have also resulted, including women and children. Daniel L. Byman of the Brookings Institution suggests that drone strikes may kill “10 or so civilians” for every militant killed, which would represent a civilian to combatant casualty ratio of 10:1. Byman argues that civilian killings constitute a humanitarian tragedy and create dangerous political problems, including damage to the legitimacy of the Pakistani government and alienation of the Pakistani populace from United States of America.

Drone attacks have raised another debate amongst various circles i.e. whether Pakistan has the capability to stop the drone attacks militarily. In a recent statement, the Interior Minister Rehman Malik has apparently self-proclaimed “F-16s cannot shoot down drones”. Ex Chief of the Air Staff, Air Chief Marshal Tanvir Mahmood Ahmed said on November 25, 2008 that “Pakistan Air Force (PAF) is fully capable to stop drones’ flights and missile strikes”. He said that it was up to the government to decide whether it wanted to benefit from PAF capabilities and deter the aggressors violating territorial integrity of the country. Air Chief Marshal made these remarks while speaking to newsmen during IDEAS-2008 exhibition at the Expo Center. Another supporting statement was issued by present COAS Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleiman while talking to media persons on the sidelines of the passing out parade at the PAF Academy Risalpur. He said “PAF is capable of shooting down US drones, but the final decision in this regard rests with the government and Parliament”.

In order to analyze the capability of Pakistan to shoot the drones, we need to understand how a drone operates.

Drones do not carry any pilot on board and are controlled by a man sitting on Ground Control Station using a satellite based datalink. Ground Control Station may be located close to the border or miles away in Pentagon. The service ceiling (maximum density altitude) of an MQ-1 Predator drone is 25,000 ft (7,620m) and the service ceiling of an MQ-1 Reaper drone is 50,000 ft (15,000m).

* The possible methods of stopping the drone attacks are to destroy the Ground Control Stations, kill the drones on ground before they even take off, Jam or destroy the communication link between drones and Ground Control Stations and Intercept the drones violating Pakistan’s airspace using Surface to Air missiles or Interceptor aircrafts. I am astonished why people have even the slightest of ambiguity why Pakistan cannot stop drone attacks militarily. We must be clear in our minds that the decision of any offensive military action against the drones has to come primarily from the Pakistani government. This will be the stupidest decision as it might be considered as an official declaration of war against our ally in the global war on terror. The only wise solution to halt drone attacks is through diplomatic channel and on humanitarian grounds. Still there is no doubt Pakistan can easily shoot the drone, which is just another plane.

The first possible way of destroying the drone as it violates Pakistan’s airspace is to target the Ground Control Station from where it receives necessary guidance. The Ground Control Station is normally located just across the airfield from where the drone operates. Targeting the Ground Control Station will cause the drone to crash as it fails to receive any signal from the ground controller. Ground Control Station can be targeted by any Surface-to-Surface missile i.e. Hatf, Ghauri and Shaheen. It is also possible to destroy the drones on ground before they take off using any of the above mentioned missiles.

The second option involves killing the drone without air encounter or even firing anything towards the drone. Drones receive communication signals from their Ground Control Stations through a satellite based datalink. It is possible to jam or intercept the communication link between the drone and the Ground Control Station. Pakistan has an option to choose the most suitable Electronic Warfare suite from its inventory to intercept the guidance signal and get the drone down unguided. This is the most viable option as Pakistan would not like to lose any precious aircraft or a missile in its inventory for a drone.

The third available option is to fire a Surface-to-Air missile towards a drone violating our territorial integrity. Pakistan has a wide range of Surface-to-Air missiles which can easily target American drones within their effective range. One such air defense system is SPADA 2000 which can detect and engage highly agile hostile aircrafts and missiles at almost all altitudes. I strongly believe that American Predators can never get away from Surface-to-Air missiles fired from SPADA 2000 system.

The last option is to scramble air defense alert F-16 interceptors to engage approaching drones. Drones are not very agile and do not carry any weapons for self defense. Hence they can be very easily gunned down by F-16s. In my opinion, flying an F-16 to kill a drone is not a very wise and cost effective solution.

Pakistan should not opt to stop drone attacks militarily. Government should continue persuading USA and the world to stop these attacks as they will eventually prove counter productive. At the same time, Islamabad should continue to badger Washington to give it armed drones with transfer of technology. Pakistani government is already following the diplomatic channel for protesting the US drone strikes. The protests were made on the grounds that the drone attacks violated Pakistan’s sovereignty and were counterproductive as the civilian casualties were radicalizing not only the affectees but also others in the tribal areas and beyond. Now that the president and the army chief have for the first time offered condolences to the families of those killed in the March 17 drone strike in North Waziristan and the dead and the injured are being compensated, it is the right time to formulate a proper policy on the subject. The government needs to come clean on the US drone attacks because the issue won’t go away.
 
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There is another path which is far more potent than anything suggested above....Improve your economy and move towards self-sufficiency....Once you have an independent foreign policy all these drones will die on their own....Till that day comes i am afraid all this is wishful thinking...
 
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Using Hatf to take down the ground bases.

If I am not mistaken the ground bases are usually in the continental US and not "just across the border".

Pakistan will not shoot any drone, because the PAF knows what will happen once it targets an US asset.Period.

BTW is this by any chance a satire ?
 
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There is another path which is far more potent than anything suggested above....Improve your economy and move towards self-sufficiency....Once you have an independent foreign policy all these drones will die on their own....Till that day comes i am afraid all this is wishful thinking...

Affirmative, BUT I would like to point out that there is a War going on, and we all know who the perpetrators are. Its been continuing for the past decade, and Pakistan is deeply invovled in it. This is a big war and many call it the 21st century "Good vs Evil" Battle. With this instability, it is very hard to sustain and rapidly improve the economy. For economic growth, investments are needed, and for investments to grow and as well sustain, requires better security and confidence. Given the circumstances and with so many adversaries in a violently destable Afghanistan, Kashmir and FATA regions and as well spreading its tentacles into Punjab and Sindh, its very hard to achieve that.

In point of fact , when we have a client Government in power in the shape of PPP and other cronies hungry for money, calling for an independent policy is like calling Satan to become Angel.
 
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Does the author not know that if drones are jammed or lose datalink they are programmed to return to base?

Also this ground control use to be INSIDE Pakistan not long ago as our government lied through its teeth whilst it ran covert operations with CIA only to realize from the RD affair that they were being backstabbed at the same time.
 
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Using Hatf to take down the ground bases.

If I am not mistaken the ground bases are usually in the continental US and not "just across the border".

Pakistan will not shoot any drone, because the PAF knows what will happen once it targets an US asset.Period.

BTW is this by any chance a satire ?

Thats a fact that Pakistan will not shoot any drone.. reason being.. Politicians are being heavily paid.. btw.. u said.. PAF knows what will happen.. and apparently you know it too.. please enlighten us.. What will happen? Shall i give u a hint??.. US will run towards UN as someone else did in the past to pull PA back..

sounds familiar?
 
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Written by someone who just found out about Pakistan's "ammo". It is as ridiculous as it could get. The drone attacks are all sanctioned by PA, so go and ask Kiyani to figure out a way to stop it. It hasn't stopped because the army believes in the effectiveness of the drones. If not for the drones the ground actions would have been much more risky and expensive.
 
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easiest way to kill the drones is to tell US not to use them inside pakistani terriory!!

btw these are not controlled inside pakistani territory or afghanistan. they might be using pakistani bases for take off & landing. but they are operated remotely from creech airbase in Nevada!!
 
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Written by someone who just found out about Pakistan's "ammo". It is as ridiculous as it could get. The drone attacks are all sanctioned by PA, so go and ask Kiyani to figure out a way to stop it. It hasn't stopped because the army believes in the effectiveness of the drones. If not for the drones the ground actions would have been much more risky and expensive.

I believe it 'stopped' once PA realised that the CIA wasn't the knight in shining armour and that it was in fact running a very clever parallel operation alongside its drone one.

I don't for a second believe that the army nor the politicians suddenly became subconscious over night and felt that it was their divine duty to save innocent pakistanis from being blown to smitherines by the push of a button. As evidenced in the early years of drone strikes mosques were being flattened weekly in FATA by drone strikes but they conveniently ignored the civilian death toll then, so why care now?.

All this bluster about sovereignty or innocent civillians is just spinning the story to fit their ulterior agenda and somehow trying to redeem themselves after being caught sleeping.
 
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Thats a fact that Pakistan will not shoot any drone.. reason being.. Politicians are being heavily paid.. btw.. u said.. PAF knows what will happen.. and apparently you know it too.. please enlighten us.. What will happen? Shall i give u a hint??.. US will run towards UN as someone else did in the past to pull PA back..

sounds familiar?

US is THE UN dude.

BTW I will tell what will happen when you shoot down a drone. The next drone will come with F-18 or a F-15 escort armed to the teeth with AMRAAMS. Still you wll go ahead and try your luck ?
 
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easiest way to kill the drones is to tell US not to use them inside pakistani terriory!!

btw these are not controlled inside pakistani territory or afghanistan. they might be using pakistani bases for take off & landing. but they are operated remotely from creech airbase in Nevada!!

are you in senses ....
 
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US is THE UN dude.

BTW I will tell what will happen when you shoot down a drone. The next drone will come with F-18 or a F-15 escort armed to the teeth with AMRAAMS. Still you wll go ahead and try your luck ?

How many times i will have to listen this from you- Well i am sure that the above scenario is your wildest fantasy-

Tell me one thing- What is the use of a drone if it is escorted by f-18 or f-15 which are armed to the teeth with AMRAAMS- Cant the fighters just carry AGMs?- :lol:
:whistle:
 
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