Four Principles to resolve the Gaza crisis

[Falcon29]

You are trying to prove that Kerry is not seeking a solution which tries to balance
the interest of Israel vs that of Palestinians.
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No I am not. I'm simply posting his statement. He is implying something, try to understand it. Instead of living in delusion.

I'm implying that Israel refuses to commit to the peace process, which is why Kerry relayed this warning.

 

[Voltaire]

For those wishing US wil do anything against Israel in favour of hamas..

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

No I am not. I'm simply posting his statement. He is implying something, try to understand it. Instead of living in delusion.

I'm implying that Israel refuses to commit to the peace process, which is why Kerry relayed this warning.

He is clearly saying that both are to be blamed and that both would benefit from change of leadership.
He is not saying that only Israel is to be blamed.

When are you going to show sources for your unfounded allegations?

 

[Voltaire]

He is clearly saying that both are to be blamed and that both would benefit from change of leadership.
He is not saying that only Israel is to be blamed.

When are you going to show sources for your unfounded allegations?

It never will..you know it as well.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Nope, Israel is the occupying power, not Hamas.Hamas is irrelevant. Everybody says that, it's the reality. You are far from reality:
Exclusive: Kerry Warns Israel Could Become ‘An Apartheid State’ - The Daily Beast

Israel ALREADY is an APARTHEID STATE.

 

[jammersat]

Israel ALREADY is an APARTHEID STATE.

That's not what John Kerry is saying , he is warning israel that they could face international condemnation like apartheid south africa did

 

[Path-Finder]

The Foreign Minister of Sweden, Carl Bildt, wrote an article, published in Dagens Nyheter,
yesterday on four principles which must guide the future for Gaza.
An uncondtional cease-fire is the first step.

”Varje lösning måste utgå från att blockaden hävs” - DN.SE

1. The Blockade must cease

2. Israels legitimate need for security must be respected. No nation can tolerate indiscriminate missile attack or tunnels into its territory. Hamas and other group is using terrorism, even if civilian casualties is sofar limited.
An agreement must contain a strong international mechanism that ensures that weapons or other products which can be used to threatening Israel cannot be imported. One possible solution would be giving control over the Rafah crossing to EU which would guarantee both free passing of civilian goods as well as control of military material.

3. Gaza must become a part of the Palestinian Administration based in Ramallah.
This is required for the needed rescue and relief mission after the conflict has ended.

Israel must accept free, open and democratic elections for the Palestinian Administration within a year.

Gaza must be demilitarized, and the responsibility for this lies with the Palestinian Administration.

4. Gaza must be allowed to become the connection to the Mediterranean for the
whole of the Palestinian Administration, with an airport and a port.
Travelling between the West Bank and Gaza must be facilitated without endangering Israels security.

What about Palestine's Right To Defend Itself when they are being butchered with sophisticated weaponry provided by their illegitimate father USA. What possible argument can you give for militarization of Israel other than they must defend themselves. Being able to defend means that they can seize more Palestinian territory? attack Lebanon defensively? Defensively carry out airstrikes?

For a foreign minister who is proud of democracy and probably beats the drum of it around the world is utterly benign to the fact that Hamas was voted for democratically. You can say what ever you like in the West but people voted them IN. What would that make you when people vote for Hamas democratically and you go against the voice/vote of people? I don't know that word but being cloak & dagger the good foreign minister tells israhell to "accept free, open and democratic elections" .

Hell I Came Up With These 3 Options;

1. Israel Should Be Shifted To The USA
2. Palestine Must Become Whole Again.
3. Palestine Must Defend Itself against unprovoked aggression.

and a video bonus for foreign minister Carl Bildt;

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

What about Palestine's Right To Defend Itself when they are being butchered with sophisticated weaponry provided by their illegitimate father USA. What possible argument can you give for militarization of Israel other than they must defend themselves. Being able to defend means that they can seize more Palestinian territory? attack Lebanon defensively? Defensively carry out airstrikes?

For a foreign minister who is proud of democracy and probably beats the drum of it around the world is utterly benign to the fact that Hamas was voted for democratically. You can say what ever you like in the West but people voted them IN. What would that make you when people vote for Hamas democratically and you go against the voice/vote of people? I don't know that word but being cloak & dagger the good foreign minister tells israhell to "accept free, open and democratic elections" .

Hell I Came Up With These 3 Options;

1. Israel Should Be Shifted To The USA
2. Palestine Must Become Whole Again.
3. Palestine Must Defend Itself against unprovoked aggression.

and a video bonus for foreign minister Carl Bildt;

Hamas is considered to be a terrorist organisation. Terrorists should be disarmed.

Hamas has been voted in once. They have not allowed any new elections after steering Gaza
from disaster after disaster. The election results have lost all legitimacy after 8 years.
Hitler was voted in once, and then refused to call for support for his policies in new elections.
If people support their policies over the last 8 years, they will be reelected.

 

[Path-Finder]

Hamas is considered to be a terrorist organisation. Terrorists should be disarmed.

Hamas has been voted in once. They have not allowed any new elections after steering Gaza
from disaster after disaster. The election results have lost all legitimacy after 8 years.
Hitler was voted in once, and then refused to call for support for his policies in new elections.
If people support their policies over the last 8 years, they will be reelected.

On that logic..... but does anyone care about what people in Gaza think you call them terrorist but how do they perceive them? In this scenario Hamas is NOT acting like Hitler.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

On that logic..... but does anyone care about what people in Gaza think you call them terrorist but how do they perceive them? In this scenario Hamas is NOT acting like Hitler.

Of course people care what people in Gaza thinks, that is why there is a call for an election.

Obviously the Hitler example shows that just because you are democratically elected,
it does not prove you are a true democrat. No further comparision is intended.

You show that you are a true democrat, by accepting defeat in an election.
You also seek reconfirmation of popular support after your policies cause big upheavals,
like the recent hot conflicts with Israel.

Hamas are yet to prove they are democrats.

 

[Meengla]

OP's suggestions are not bad. Unfortunately, he is naïve. The bottom line is that Israelis--particularly Likud--would never allow a viable Palestinian state to existing between the Med. Sea and the Jordan River. At the most, some kind of Bantustan will be offered to a demilitarized 'Palestine' with most of the prime land and water resources gobbled up by the Israelis.

Israelis REALLY are trying to duplicate the Europeans' conquest of the New World. Once we understand that then a lot of things will make sense, including the recent stonewalling of Kerry's genuine effort to bring about some kind of a solution. You only need to read Roger Cohen and T. Freidman's --both Jewish, BTW--in today's NY Times to realize their suggestions call for a 'withdrawl from the West Bank'. But why would the Israelis do that unless they are forced.

Given all this, I believe the Gazans (and their brothers in the West Bank) have nothing left to lose except some more lives. And so the violence will continue unless a BROADER political solution is found.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

OP's suggestions are not bad. Unfortunately, he is naïve. The bottom line is that Israelis--particularly Likud--would never allow a viable Palestinian state to existing between the Med. Sea and the Jordan River. At the most, some kind of Bantustan will be offered to a demilitarized 'Palestine' with most of the prime land and water resources gobbled up by the Israelis.

Israelis REALLY are trying to duplicate the Europeans' conquest of the New World. Once we understand that then a lot of things will make sense, including the recent stonewalling of Kerry's genuine effort to bring about some kind of a solution. You only need to read Roger Cohen and T. Freidman's --both Jewish, BTW--in today's NY Times to realize their suggestions call for a 'withdrawl from the West Bank'. But why would the Israelis do that unless they are forced.

Given all this, I believe the Gazans (and their brothers in the West Bank) have nothing left to lose except some more lives. And so the violence will continue unless a BROADER political solution is found.

A two state solution will only work, after the average Joe in Israel believes peace is possible.
Then they need to vote in new leaders (not Likud) which are more prepared to do deals.
Think that the Palestinians need new leaders as well.

 

[Meengla]

A two state solution will only work, after the average Joe in Israel believes peace is possible.
Then they need to vote in new leaders (not Likud) which are more prepared to do deals.
Think that the Palestinians need new leaders as well.

Perhaps the 'average Joe' in Israel is being held hostage to the free-loading grab-the-land-and-American-largesse-because-God-gave-me-the-land Settlers' Enterprise?!

But I also think even the 'average Joe' Israeli doesn't care at all now: So long as THEY get to enjoy all the urban amenities, including swimming pools while the Palestinians silently accept the occupation, then who cares?!

Resistance--and, please don't say any Gandhian non-violence tactic, is the only way left for the Palestinians. Israeli society on the whole is the status-quo party.

My only (short-term) hope is that somehow there is some face-saving on BOTH sides with giving the Palestinian Authority led to lead some kind of peace process. But then, I strongly suspect, the Gaza war was about breaking up the fledgling Palestinian unity...

 

[Path-Finder]

Of course people care what people in Gaza thinks, that is why there is a call for an election.

Obviously the Hitler example shows that just because you are democratically elected,
it does not prove you are a true democrat. No further comparision is intended.

You show that you are a true democrat, by accepting defeat in an election.
You also seek reconfirmation of popular support after your policies cause big upheavals,
like the recent hot conflicts with Israel.

Hamas are yet to prove they are democrats.

Well democracy there is export version and there is domestic version unfortunately export version is the problem because people get elected that are not on prescribed list of the exporter. Hence these democracies get expelled at times by the exporters.
Being a democrat is just meaningless when there is a blockade on a narrow stretch of land with the ocean behind you zionist murderers front of you and democratically imposed senile egyptian general. It is also impossible when you have no real means of income and your diet is calorie counted to keep you on the edge of starvation.

It is truly mind numbing when a depressing part of the 20th century is being repeated from the Warsaw ghetto in Gaza and the best the so called champions of humanity in the western hemisphere can come up with is sympathy with modern Nazi state.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Well democracy there is export version and there is domestic version unfortunately export version is the problem because people get elected that are not on prescribed list of the exporter. Hence these democracies get expelled at times by the exporters.
Being a democrat is just meaningless when there is a blockade on a narrow stretch of land with the ocean behind you zionist murderers front of you and democratically imposed senile egyptian general. It is also impossible when you have no real means of income and your diet is calorie counted to keep you on the edge of starvation.

It is truly mind numbing when a depressing part of the 20th century is being repeated from the Warsaw ghetto in Gaza and the best the so called champions of humanity in the western hemisphere can come up with is sympathy with modern Nazi state.

Hamas knows exactly what it needs to do, but that does not fit its stated goals.