Four Iran border guards killed in clash on Pakistan frontier

[Silverblaze]

You do realize muppets are pretty famous in the civilized world

You do realize that this is a security forum, people ask difficult questions, my questions are always respectful in nature you may disagree with them but please come up with a counter argument and an objective one, instead of bad mouthing

Listen, Pakistan is the newest country compared to its immediate neighbors. It was bound to have problems, but its problems have been multiplied by needless machinations from its neighbors. Indian establishment is Pakistan's malevolent enemy, so hostility from them is expected, but from Afghanistan and Iran, cooperation is expected. Especially from Afghanistan, which frankly Pakistan has never got.

 

[Nefarious]

Pakistanis and Iranians in the same boat,both have terrorism issues along this border region and I'm sure both sides will cooperate together to crush them.

Pakistanis can and will work well with Iranians, unlike Afghan friends who you can't even reason with.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Let's see, what about India, it surely has issues on Bangladesh border,

This is a law enforcement issue, the problems that are faced on the IND-BD border are to do with smuggling and illegal migration.

there's tension with Chinese border.

"Tension" because of a difference in opinion of boundaries but not a single loss of life to either side's security in decades.

every other day Sri Lanka captures Indian fishing boats

Another law enforcement issue but, again, these differences have never lead to serious violence.


There is only one border of India's that sees Indian security officers killed and anything like the hostility Pakistan faces on all of its borders (except with China).

 

[Sipahi]

Pak issues with AF on the Torkham border
Pak issues with India on the Indian border
Pak issues with Iran on the Iranian border

The only exception is Chinese border, two inferences can be made

- All these three countries are in cahoots to harm Pakistan.

OR

- Pakistan is to blame for destabilizing the neighbourhood.

No trolling, only objective counter argumentation please

Pakistan issues with afghans on torkham border is all due to their drug and smuggling trade and we are going to build a border same like our eastern border so no pig can trespass.

With India it is a historical conflict, the day they occupy Kashmir we became enemy. the day Kashmir issue get to its logical conclusion there will be no issue from our side for sure.

Between Iran and Pakistan there is no issue, they are Iranian rebels and Iranian are well capable of handling them. however we are also fencing that border too.

As COAS said today after eid prayers that our priority is border management and sending afghan refuges back. Nadra is working to sought out and canceling all the fake NICs and Passports of afghan national which will take six months and after that we will send back your people to your country and I am sure India will take a million or two since they are your best buddy.

 

[A-Team]

Pakistanis and Iranians in the same boat,both have terrorism issues along this border region and I'm sure both sides will cooperate together to crush them.

Pakistanis can and will work well with Iranians, unlike Afghan friends who you can't even reason with.

Yes you can work and reason with Afghans, you and I are good examples of objective and respectful reasoning

Pakistan issues with afghans on torkham border is all due to their drug and smuggling trade and we are going to build a border same like our eastern border so no pig can trespass.

With India it is a historical conflict, the day they occupy Kashmir we became enemy. the day Kashmir issue get to its logical conclusion there will be no issue from our side for sure.

Between Iran and Pakistan there is no issue, they are Iranian rebels and Iranian are well capable of handling them. however we are also fencing that border too.

As COAS said today after eid prayers that our priority is border management and sending afghan refuges back. Nadra is working to sought out and canceling all the fake NICs and Passports of afghan national which will take six months and after that we will send back your people to your country and I am sure India will take a million or two since they are your best buddy.

The Iranian dude on this thread raised the question of sanctuaries and madrassas, the same question is being asked by the Afghans and Indians, are they all in cahoots to hurt Pakistan? or Is that they have grievances vis-a-vis Pakistan's attitude of not doing enough against non-state actors?

You be the judge.

/Peace

 

[Winchester]

Pak issues with AF on the Torkham border

It is Afghanistan which doesn't recognize even recognize the territorial integrity of Pakistan.

The Peshawar school attack in which our children were killed was launched from Afghan territory....the actors involved continue to reside within Afghanistan.

Instead of complaining you should really be grateful towards Pakistan for showing such restraint in the face of such hostility coming from Afghan state and people.

There is also that tiny little thing about those 3 million refugees.

 

[Sipahi]

Yes you can work and reason with Afghans, you and I are good examples of objective and respectful reasoning



The Iranian dude on this thread raised the question of sanctuaries and madrassas, the same question is being asked by the Afghans and Indians, are they all in cahoots to hurt Pakistan? or Is that they have grievances vis-a-vis Pakistan's attitude of not doing enough against non-state actors?

You be the judge.

/Peace

All the madrassah are not problem, there is a sect of islam which is more widely practiced in afghanistan then pakistan and its head office is in India (deoband) which is a root cause of terrorism in the region and most of them are in KPK. I strongly recommend to eliminate some of them for long term peace. and your know the fun part is most of them is running on KSA finance.

P.S. I am Sunni.

 

[Winchester]

We have to drone them inside pakistan...

I think Pakistan will respond to that especially since the public knows Iran is no USA.

The anti-Iranian sentiment is already very high in Pakistan and no govt. will survive if it sits back and allows provocative Iranian intrusion.

 

[Naara-e-Mastana]

So you are not responsible for your neighborhood security!?

Treats living inside your territories... So we have to eliminate them ha?

So by your logic we have the right to bomb indian consulate in iran . #yadav #hypocrites

 

[SOHEIL]

So by your logic we have the right to bomb indian consulate in iran . #yadav #hypocrites

Thanks for epic comparison!

 

[sady]

I think if Ayatollahs stop eyeing Pakistan through prejudiced lense, Iran, Pakistan and Turkey could rule the world. Crucible of civilizations.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

There should be a combination of measures against this problem. Build modern walls on the border, station drones, invest in that poor region, better communication with the bordering countries and also fight direct or proxy wars agaist those who finance or promote the ideology of these groups.

 

[Zeon]

Pak issues with AF on the Torkham border
Pak issues with India on the Indian border
Pak issues with Iran on the Iranian border

The only exception is Chinese border, two inferences can be made

- All these three countries are in cahoots to harm Pakistan.

OR

- Pakistan is to blame for destabilizing the neighbourhood.

No trolling, only objective counter argumentation please

How often do you read news? Khaama press alleged that Iran Revolutionary Guards open fire on Afghan civilians, killing 50. (10 May 2013). Recently this year 3 Afghan civilians and 1 soldier was injured.
On Tajikistan border, 1 Tajik soldier and 1 Afghan army men was killed (Khaama press) in skirmishes. Tajikistan government has requested strong force of Russian army to defend and seal their border with Tajikistan.
So how many countries do Afghanistan has peace with?

How often do you read news? Khaama press alleged that Iran Revolutionary Guards open fire on Afghan civilians, killing 50. (10 May 2013). Recently this year 3 Afghan civilians and 1 soldier was injured.
On Tajikistan border, 1 Tajik soldier and 1 Afghan army men was killed (Khaama press) in skirmishes. Tajikistan government has requested strong force of Russian army to defend and seal their border with Tajikistan.
So how many countries do Afghanistan has peace with?

Besides the attackers were separatist. And Pakistan has same separatist attacking them. A week before BLF killed 4 Pakistani paramilitary force. So I don't see how Pakistan has any blame in this.

 

[Dawood Ibrahim]

All the madrassah are not problem, there is a sect of islam which is more widely practiced in afghanistan then pakistan and its head office is in India (deoband) which is a root cause of terrorism in the region and most of them are in KPK. I strongly recommend to eliminate some of them for long term peace. and your know the fun part is most of them is running on KSA finance.

P.S. I am Sunni.

Sunni but which sect barelvi or Salafi etc
And please give source which supports your clams about KSA finance otherwise
Don't say what you think

 

[khail007]

We have to drone them inside pakistan...

Dear Sir, it will only worsen the situation and will not help to find the solution.
Towards Pakistani side the problem was that none of our previous governments were consistent in solving the issue politically and hence gave a birth to an armed struggle though the foreign involvement to fuel that could not be ignored or ruled out.
On Iran side you know better than me that what had happened so the people resort to armed struggle. Further, if it is a beginning of the 'Greater Balochistan' then we know that who is going to suffer.
It is the responsibility of both governments to control these insurgencies and to put respective houses in order. Sharing of Intel, manage border and arrange joint surveillance system and it will help.
Smuggling is another issue and border guards of both sides are involved. When both adjacent provinces will be looked after economically by respective governments; definitely there will be a positive impact on the situation.