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Four-day meat ban in Mumbai during Jain fasting period

Do you support this four-day meat ban in Mumbai during Jain fasting period? (For Indians only)


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98.8% people shouldn't eat what they like because its offensive for 1.2%.

What a stupid logic.

Jains were ok with the setups since time immemorial.

Live and let live and dont put your habits, culture and beliefs on to others.

Karma is not fate, for God endowed his children with the power to act with free will.
 
98.8% people shouldn't eat what they like because its offensive for 1.2%.

What a stupid logic.

Jains were ok with the setups since time immemorial.

Live and let live and dont put your habits, culture and beliefs on to others.

Karma is not fate, for God endowed his children with the power to act with free will.

What right does a Christian have to speak on behalf of the Jain community ?

When you are IMPOSING Christmas on Others, why so much intolrance to others faith ?

Why is Christmas a public holiday when your population is only 1-2% ?

Funny to see you preach not imposing habits, culture and beliefs on others :lol:
 
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Which is why, in the interest of equality and lack of bias, I suggested initially that two days should be put aside every year in India where everyone must eat juicy steaks, mutton cutles and chicken farcha.

Right now we Parsis are being made to feel like refugees. Where only the son of the soil Jains get two day bans in their honor.

Not fair.

Well then what festivities would you like?

Yes. But Modi does not have a mustache. :D

Modi came to UAE. UAE built a temple for him. What more can I say? When Nawaz/Musharraf came ,no mosque was built in their honor in UAE. But in honor of Modi ,a temple is built in Abu Dhabi lol.
 

LOL...why should it END the Debate ? That is what Justice Joseph Kurian and Thakur said about meat ban, Not about Animal slaughter.

This the same Supreme Court which did not allow export of animals to Nepal for the Gadhima festival to prevent their slaughter on this festival :lol:


Victory! Animal Sacrifice Banned at Nepal's Gadhimai Festival, Half a Million Animals Saved : Humane Society International | India

...... Earlier this month the Supreme Court of India issued directions to states to set up mechanisms to prevent animals from being taken to Gadhimai in future and create awareness against animal sacrifice. :cheesy:


But its funny how when to comes to Bakri eid the SC is silent :lol: ..........so the debate is far from over.
 
LOL...why should it END the Debate ? That is what Justice Joseph Kurian and Thakur said about meat ban, Not about Animal slaughter.

This the same Supreme Court which did not allow export of animals to Nepal for the Gadhima festival to prevent their slaughter on this festival :lol:


Victory! Animal Sacrifice Banned at Nepal's Gadhimai Festival, Half a Million Animals Saved : Humane Society International | India

...... Earlier this month the Supreme Court of India issued directions to states to set up mechanisms to prevent animals from being taken to Gadhimai in future and create awareness against animal sacrifice. :cheesy:


But its funny how when to comes to Bakri eid the SC is silent :lol: ..........so the debate is far from over.

There is a major difference between slaughtering for food and slaughtering for other purposes, the former is as per the law of the nature. And I am not against animal slaughtering in temples also if the meat is not wasted and fully utilized as food. I have spoken for it in this forum also, meat from temple is sometimes the only source of animal protein for the poor. And it's hypocrisy to sit on a couch after a nice non-veg meal and speak about animal sacrifice in temples. But what used to happen in Nepal was mindless genocide. Besides, slaughtering in public is illegal.
 
There is a major difference between slaughtering for food and slaughtering for other purposes, the former is as per the law of the nature. And I am not against animal slaughtering in temples also if the meat is not wasted and fully utilized as food. I have spoken for it in this forum also, meat from temple is sometimes the only source of animal protein for the poor. And it's hypocrisy to sit on a couch after a nice non-veg meal and speak about animal sacrifice in temples. But what used to happen in Nepal was mindless genocide. Besides, slaughtering in public is illegal.

That is your point of view.

ANY kind of slaughter is adharmic and is out of sync with nature as per dharmic point of view. Public display of slaughter and animal carcass results in lower sensitivity to such crime against nature and civilization and society, and promotes violence and greed in society.

These value systems that put self before society or nature has been imported from the west and other lesser civilized regions of the world and is alien to our way of life and is in contrast to our value systems. Centuries of Islamic rule and Christian western rule has not wiped out our values completely.

Banning of animal slaughter in temples has been adopted by dharmic religions centuries ago. Only a few sect continue with such practices and they too offend public sensibilities and sensitivities.

What happens in Bakri eid is also mindless genocide in the name of religion. To do so in a society that holds strong belief in the sacredness of all life forms is a double insult since it is a challenge to or value system and a horrific reminds of the brutal and repressive past.
 
That is your point of view.

ANY kind of slaughter is adharmic and is out of sync with nature as per dharmic point of view. Public display of slaughter and animal carcass results in lower sensitivity to such crime against nature and civilization and society, and promotes violence and greed in society.

These value systems that put self before society or nature has been imported from the west and other lesser civilized regions of the world and is alien to our way of life and is in contrast to our value systems. Centuries of Islamic rule and Christian western rule has not wiped out our values completely.

Banning of animal slaughter in temples has been adopted by dharmic religions centuries ago. Only a few sect continue with such practices and they too offend public sensibilities and sensitivities.

What happens in Bakri eid is also mindless genocide in the name of religion. To do so in a society that holds strong belief in the sacredness of all life forms is a double insult since it is a challenge to or value system and a horrific reminds of the brutal and repressive past.

A debate is about one point of view against other.

The reason I said that killing for food is as per the basic law of mother nature because mother nature has made many life forms carnovoruous or omnivorous, including us humans.

Our mere existence is detrimental to many life forms..plants have life too, our breathing kills millions of life forms, even shampooing will kill millions of life forms...needless to say that our modern advancement is causing many types of pollution and causing death and extinction to many life forms. In fact human beings are quite efficient at killing their own in many ways. Dharmiks too do all these..!

Public display of slaughter and animal carcass is illegal anyway, it should be done in confined space without disturbing others.

Non-vegetarianism is an accepted way of life even in India, hence, animal slaughtering in temples and in Eid should be just fine if the end use of the meat is food.

Hinduism was never defined by vegetarianism, however, vegetarians may differentiate themselves from the non-vegetarian Hindus without disrespecting the later...maybe they can call themselves "Shakahari Hindus", no problem with that.
 
A debate is about one point of view against other.

The reason I said that killing for food is as per the basic law of mother nature because mother nature has made many life forms carnovoruous or omnivorous, including us humans.

Our mere existence is detrimental to many life forms..plants have life too, our breathing kills millions of life forms, even shampooing will kill millions of life forms...needless to say that our modern advancement is causing many types of pollution and causing death and extinction to many life forms. In fact human beings are quite efficient at killing their own in many ways. Dharmiks too do all these..!

Public display of slaughter and animal carcass is illegal anyway, it should be done in confined space without disturbing others.

Non-vegetarianism is an accepted way of life even in India, hence, animal slaughtering in temples and in Eid should be just fine if the end use of the meat is food.

Hinduism was never defined by vegetarianism, however, vegetarians may differentiate themselves from the non-vegetarian Hindus without disrespecting the later...maybe they can call themselves "Shakahari Hindus", no problem with that.

I was pointing out the fallacy in your implied contention that its dharmic to slaughter animals. (point of view). The value system of our civilization and what we have exported to other civilizations is Dharma.

Everybody is aware of "mother" nature, animals also indulge in incest. Humans don't. That itself is contrary to "mother" nature. So its rather clear that Humans value system has evolved BEYOND mother nature and focuses on responsible living and maintaining balance in nature, unlike other animals who act purely on their own self interest. So this point about imitating "mother" nature can be safely discarded.

Dharma do not condone pollution, wars or killing. Ravana was a Brahmin and a Darmic, but he is still seen as a villain. Not a hero. So this line of argument too can also be safely discarded as not all Dharmic practice what they preach. That however DOES NOT mean what they practice become Dharma. That too is a logical fallacy.

Non vegetarianism is accepted and respected but ugly display of greed and indulgence is not. Unwanted cruelty to animals is NOT accepted or respected. No one has asked for a permanent meat ban for you to make this argument.

The demand was for a temporary ban on slaughter in areas dominated by Jains. Same for Hindus and other dharmics during their holy days. This is because these days are to reinforce Dharmic values in larger society and any act that is contrary to these values is harmful, hurtful and malicious in action and intention.

No one has claimed hinduism is defined by vegetarianism, however vegetarianism is an extension of the practice of Hindu dharmic values. Ravan was a Hindu too, so was Duryodhana. How or What you "Label" them is irrelevant. Same hold true for labelling them "Shakahari Hindus" or "Asura" or "Rakshasha" or "Liberal" etc. What is relevant is the Values preached, practiced and the protection of the way of life defined by these values.
 
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The demand was for a temporary ban on slaughter in areas dominated by Jains.

No. Slaughter was already banned in a couple of Jain dominated areas in Mumbai, that didn't cause this controversy because we are in general logical people and ready to make small adjustments to live in harmony. What caused this controversy was the latest blanket ban on all of Mumbai...now that is illogical, and for good reasons. No single community should overstep on others unnecessarily.
 
No. Slaughter was already banned in a couple of Jain dominated areas in Mumbai, that didn't cause this controversy because we are in general logical people and ready to make small adjustments to live in harmony. What caused this controversy was the latest blanket ban on all of Mumbai...now that is illogical, and for good reasons. No single community should overstep on others unnecessarily.

Where is the proof of people making small adjustment to live in harmony ? if that was true, then even a 7 day ban from a total of 365 days should have been acceptable.

This is only 2 % of total days in a year. If the powers that be has shown tolerance of less than 2% for prevention of slaughter and sale of meat then it is rather clear that your argument is false.

Its a blatant display of intolerance and worse, celebration of greed and violence. Its a clear case of condoning and promoting violation of Dharmic values.
 
Where is the proof of people making small adjustment to live in harmony ? if that was true, then even a 7 day ban from a total of 365 days should have been acceptable.

This is only 2 % of total days in a year. If the powers that be has shown tolerance of less than 2% for prevention of slaughter and sale of meat then it is rather clear that your argument is false.

Its a blatant display of intolerance and worse, celebration of greed and violence. Its a clear case of condoning and promoting violation of Dharmic values.

Small adjustment is stopping slaughter for some days in Jain majority areas, not in all other areas.
 
Small adjustment is stopping slaughter for some days in Jain majority areas, not in all other areas.

So your definition of "small adjustment or tolerance range is for +/- 0.2% ? That is the very definition of INTOLERANCE.

Which means in reality what you are promoting is Intolerance.
 
So your definition of "small adjustment or tolerance range is for +/- 0.2% ? That is the very definition of INTOLERANCE.

Which means in reality what you are promoting is Intolerance.

Let me repeat what I said in another argument, ideally I being a non-vegetarian buying meat from a third person butcher shop to cook at my own home for myself, or eating it in a non-vegetarian restaurant on my own money should not concern any community, it's none of their business as long as I don't snatch their goat. But in a particular community majority area some exceptions to the rule can be made for their festival, that's tolerance, beyond that it's a clear case of infringing on my rights.

Besides, I have learnt in this thread only that Jains are the kings of leather and beef export business...in that case they should stop this business within their community first before preaching others, otherwise it is again a clear case of hypocrisy. Don't think I have anything against the Jains, I don't, as long as they don't infringe on my way of life.
 
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